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reply Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> writes:
David Wilson Wrote:


 
 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a
 web interface. Mail/news only please. :D
 




Regards,

Bruce.
Nov 20 2007
parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Bruce,


 David Wilson Wrote:
 

 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve
 a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D
 



 it is very convenient (posting from it now).
 
 Regards,
 
 Bruce.
 



1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break threading
2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with forums you are)

I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't want to use it.
Nov 20 2007
next sibling parent reply Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> writes:
BCS Wrote:


 Reply to Bruce,
 

 David Wilson Wrote:
 

 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve
 a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D
 



 it is very convenient (posting from it now).
 
 Regards,
 
 Bruce.
 



 1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break threading
 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with forums you are)
 
 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't want to use it.
 



Has it been logged?

Regards,

Bruce.
Nov 20 2007
parent reply jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
== Quote from Bruce Adams (tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk)'s article

 BCS Wrote:

 Reply to Bruce,


 David Wilson Wrote:


 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't
 involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D



 but it is very convenient (posting from it now).

 Regards,

 Bruce.



 1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break
 threading
 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with
 forums you are)

 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't
 want to use it.



 my own strangely) but nothing I could put my finger on. It sounds
 like a bug in the web interface.



Oskar Linde has identified some possible bugs in the Web-News web interface:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=62059


 When a bug is found it should be  fixed rather than the feature
 being removed, don't you think?



I agree.



 Has it been logged?



Other that Oskar's postings in the D newsgroups, I don't know. From looking at
the
web-news sourceforge page, I get the impression that it's not still in active
development (note the release dates below), but I'd love to be wrong.

From http://web-news.sourceforge.net/:
* Release Web-News 1.6.3 (29-3-2006).
* Release Web-News 1.6.2 (3-10-2004).
* Release Web-News 1.6.0 (20-9-2004).
* Release Web-News 1.5.7 (14-8-2004).
* Release Web-News 1.5.6 (14-8-2004).
* Release Web-News 1.5.5 (12-8-2004).
* Release Web-News 1.5.4 (8-8-2004).

It is open source, though, so in theory we could fix it on our own (if we want
to
wade through the PHP).
Nov 20 2007
parent reply Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yahoo.co.uk> writes:
jcc7 Wrote:


 == Quote from Bruce Adams (tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk)'s article

 BCS Wrote:

 Reply to Bruce,


 David Wilson Wrote:


 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't
 involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D



 but it is very convenient (posting from it now).

 Regards,

 Bruce.



 1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break
 threading
 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with
 forums you are)

 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't
 want to use it.



 my own strangely) but nothing I could put my finger on. It sounds
 like a bug in the web interface.



 Oskar Linde has identified some possible bugs in the Web-News web interface:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=62059
 

 When a bug is found it should be  fixed rather than the feature
 being removed, don't you think?



 I agree.
 
 

 Has it been logged?



 Other that Oskar's postings in the D newsgroups, I don't know. From looking at
the
 web-news sourceforge page, I get the impression that it's not still in active
 development (note the release dates below), but I'd love to be wrong.
 
 From http://web-news.sourceforge.net/:
 * Release Web-News 1.6.3 (29-3-2006).
 * Release Web-News 1.6.2 (3-10-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.6.0 (20-9-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.7 (14-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.6 (14-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.5 (12-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.4 (8-8-2004).
 
 It is open source, though, so in theory we could fix it on our own (if we want
to
 wade through the PHP).



Incidentally one reason I use webnews is because when I try to view the nntp
newsfeeds in opera I just get

"Please read the article in 

http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=62115
"

which makes it pretty useless.
Nov 20 2007
next sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Bruce,


 Incidentally one reason I use webnews is because when I try to view
 the nntp newsfeeds in opera I just get
 
 "Please read the article in
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmar
 s.D&article_id=62115 "
 
 which makes it pretty useless.
 



What OS are you on? I find JetBrain's OmeaReader to be darn good but I think 
it is windows only.
Nov 20 2007
prev sibling parent "Bruce Adams" <tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk> writes:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 00:26:41 -0000, Bruce Adams <tortoise_74 yahoo.co.uk=

  =



wrote:


 jcc7 Wrote:


 =3D=3D Quote from Bruce Adams (tortoise_74 yeah.who.co.uk)'s article

 BCS Wrote:

 Reply to Bruce,


 David Wilson Wrote:


 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't
 involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D



















 but it is very convenient (posting from it now).

 Regards,

 Bruce.



 1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break
 threading
 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with
 forums you are)

 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't
 want to use it.













 my own strangely) but nothing I could put my finger on. It sounds
 like a bug in the web interface.



 Oskar Linde has identified some possible bugs in the Web-News web  =







 interface:
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=3Ddigital=







 When a bug is found it should be  fixed rather than the feature
 being removed, don't you think?



 I agree.



 Has it been logged?



 Other that Oskar's postings in the D newsgroups, I don't know. From  =







 looking at the
 web-news sourceforge page, I get the impression that it's not still i=








 active
 development (note the release dates below), but I'd love to be wrong.=







 From http://web-news.sourceforge.net/:
 * Release Web-News 1.6.3 (29-3-2006).
 * Release Web-News 1.6.2 (3-10-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.6.0 (20-9-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.7 (14-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.6 (14-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.5 (12-8-2004).
 * Release Web-News 1.5.4 (8-8-2004).

 It is open source, though, so in theory we could fix it on our own (i=








 we want to
 wade through the PHP).



 Incidentally one reason I use webnews is because when I try to view th=





 nntp newsfeeds in opera I just get

 "Please read the article in

 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=3Ddigitalm=




 "

 which makes it pretty useless.



Right. That seems to be a bug with the newsfeed interface not the nntp o=
ne  =

which works just fine.
Unless this isn't showing up properly.

-- =

Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Nov 20 2007
prev sibling parent reply Robert DaSilva <sp.unit.262+digitalmars gmail.com> writes:
BCS wrote:

 Reply to Bruce,
 

 David Wilson Wrote:


 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve
 a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D



 it is very convenient (posting from it now).

 Regards,

 Bruce.



 1) your post (and most post from the web interface) break threading
 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with forums you
 are)
 
 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't want to
 use it.
 
 



1. that's a bug in the web interface of this ng (meaning
news.digitalmars.com) *only* (there may be other, but they aren't
related to this ng).
2. No always true, mostly true, but not always true. And forums
generally have a great web interfaces and email notifications.

You seam to think all web interfaces are horrible, have you ever used a
forum that used phpBB? They have great interface and they have a
consistency between them that make it even better.
Nov 20 2007
parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Robert,


 BCS wrote:
 

 Reply to Bruce,
 

 David Wilson Wrote:
 

 In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't
 involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D
 



 it is very convenient (posting from it now).
 
 Regards,
 
 Bruce.
 



 2) with the NG you aren't forced to use that interface (with forums
 you
 are)
 I don't so much care if there is a web interface, I just don't want
 to use it.
 



 news.digitalmars.com) *only* (there may be other, but they aren't
 related to this ng).



granted


 2. No always true, mostly true, but not always true. And forums
 generally have a great web interfaces and email notifications.
 You seam to think all web interfaces are horrible, have you ever used
 a forum that used phpBB?



I don't pay much attention to the name of the software but I /think/ I have.

However, there are a few things inherently to web interface that I find
annoying.

1) If I'm' not on line, I can't even look at anything.
2) they are a web page. anything I want to do requires that the server do 
it and pass back the results. this includes resorting the posts by
date/name/whatever.
3) they don't give me everything they have (and if they did it would take 
to long). If I want older posts I click for the next page. With an NG reader, 
I scroll down.

I don't think any of these can be solved without putting software on my machine 
and once you do that, what does a forum have over an NG?


 They have great interface and they have a
 consistency between them that make it even better.



I don't care about the interface much at all. Give me; an automatic visual 
cue when a post arrives, a sortable list of posts (with sort by
thread/date/poster), 
a text editor as good as notepad and spell check. That's and a decent setup 
dialog and I'm happy with the UI.
Nov 20 2007