digitalmars.D - Register article mentions D - maybe
- Greg Vanore (11/11) Jul 08 2004 A friend of mine sent this article:
- Stephen Waits (5/9) Jul 08 2004 DTrace author's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc (includes a
- Stephen Waits (28/30) Jul 08 2004 Further examination of the DTrace paper
- Greg Vanore (5/35) Jul 08 2004 Disappointing. It would have been neat if they had used the real D. ;)
- Jonathan Leffler (9/22) Jul 08 2004 In the circles I more usually frequent, D is the language of True
- Arcane Jill (11/15) Jul 09 2004 And over at http://www.erights.org/, you'll learn all about the E progra...
- Stephen Waits (5/8) Jul 09 2004 Wow..
- pragma (7/15) Jul 09 2004 My first thought was: "someone coded such a thing? Sweet."
- Kris (7/26) Jul 09 2004 :-)
- Bent Rasmussen (3/3) Jul 10 2004 Here's what I got:
- Arcane Jill (10/12) Jul 08 2004 You can't trademark a letter of the alphabet! If you could, Microsoft wo...
- Charlie (8/20) Jul 10 2004 In an old onion article :).
- Matthew (3/14) Jul 08 2004 D is the name of a Sun internal language. It was invented named after Wa...
- Stephen Waits (19/24) Jul 08 2004 FYI:
- Walter (4/29) Jul 08 2004 D first appeared on slashdot in August, 2001, but had been started in
- Stephen Waits (5/7) Jul 08 2004 I figured as much; however, it's between you and them. It probably
- Walter (8/14) Jul 09 2004 I should also add that, as far as I can tell, Sun's language was not
- Bryan Cantrill (13/28) Jul 15 2004 Sorry to disappoint, but this has never come up -- our D's are really pr...
A friend of mine sent this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/08/dtrace_user_take/ It's about a utility called DTrace, providing realtime kernel stats/monitoring for Sun Solaris. The interesting part of the article is that the author states that the DTrace utility was written in D - and then also claims that the authors of DTrace take credit for inventing it! I wonder which is the fallacy: is this really written in D? Did the creators invent a different language and call it D? Did the creators arrogantly and falsely claim they created D? Or did the author of the article make a mistake? Interesting...
Jul 08 2004
Greg Vanore wrote:A friend of mine sent this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/08/dtrace_user_take/DTrace author's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc (includes a link to his Usenix paper on DTrace) DTrace home page: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace --Steve
Jul 08 2004
Stephen Waits wrote:DTrace author's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc (includes a link to his Usenix paper on DTrace)Further examination of the DTrace paper (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/dtrace_usenix.pdf) reveals that it is indeed another language named "D". Somebody want to mail them and let them know that the name "D" is taken? :) Along those same lines, has Walter done anything to legally reserve rights on that name??? From section 5 (of above linked paper): 5 D Language DTrace users can specify arbitrary predicates and actions using the high-level D programming language. D is a C-like language that supports all ANSI C operators and allows access to the kernel’s native types and global variables. D includes support for several kinds of user-defined variables, including global, clause-local, and thread-local variables and associative arrays. D programs are compiled into DIF by a compiler implemented in the DTrace library; the DIF is then bundled into an in-memory object file representation and sent to the inkernel DTrace framework for validation and probe enabling. The dtrace(1M) command provides a generic front-end to the D compiler and DTrace, but other layered tools can be built on top of the compiler library as well, such as the new implementation of lockstat(1M) described earlier. 5.1 Program Structure ... --Steve
Jul 08 2004
"Greg Vanore" <dazden at.dazden.dot.org> Disappointing. It would have been neat if they had used the real D. ;) I looked at the syntax, and it's certainly far from our D. Although they chose to keep printf as well. "Stephen Waits" <steve waits.net> wrote in message news:cckg4v$5h$1 digitaldaemon.com...Stephen Waits wrote:DTrace author's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc (includes a link to his Usenix paper on DTrace)Further examination of the DTrace paper (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/dtrace_usenix.pdf) reveals that it is indeed another language named "D". Somebody want to mail them and let them know that the name "D" is taken? :) Along those same lines, has Walter done anything to legally reserve rights on that name??? From section 5 (of above linked paper): 5 D Language DTrace users can specify arbitrary predicates and actions using the high-level D programming language. D is a C-like language that supports all ANSI C operators and allows access to the kernel’s native types and global variables. D includes support for several kinds of user-defined variables, including global, clause-local, and thread-local variables and associative arrays. D programs are compiled into DIF by a compiler implemented in the DTrace library; the DIF is then bundled into an in-memory object file representation and sent to the inkernel DTrace framework for validation and probe enabling. The dtrace(1M) command provides a generic front-end to the D compiler and DTrace, but other layered tools can be built on top of the compiler library as well, such as the new implementation of lockstat(1M) described earlier. 5.1 Program Structure ... --Steve
Jul 08 2004
Stephen Waits wrote:Stephen Waits wrote:In the circles I more usually frequent, D is the language of True Relational Database Management Systems (TRDBMS), as espoused by C J Date and H Darwen since the mid-90's. So, that makes three languages known as 'D' -- I would not be surprised to find there are others too. -- Jonathan Leffler #include <disclaimer.h> Email: jleffler earthlink.net, jleffler us.ibm.com Guardian of DBD::Informix v2003.04 -- http://dbi.perl.org/DTrace author's blog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc (includes a link to his Usenix paper on DTrace)Further examination of the DTrace paper (http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/dtrace_usenix.pdf) reveals that it is indeed another language named "D". Somebody want to mail them and let them know that the name "D" is taken? :) Along those same lines, has Walter done anything to legally reserve rights on that name???
Jul 08 2004
In article <ccl77g$vua$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Jonathan Leffler says...In the circles I more usually frequent, D is the language of True Relational Database Management Systems (TRDBMS), as espoused by C J Date and H Darwen since the mid-90's. So, that makes three languages known as 'D' -- I would not be surprised to find there are others too.And over at http://www.erights.org/, you'll learn all about the E programming language, the the "secure distributed pure-object platform and p2p scripting language for writing Capability-based Smart Contracts." Jill -- "Well, so much for Enterprise E." "We barely knew her. "Think they'll build another?" "There's plenty more letters in the alphabet." Beverly Crusher and Jean Luc Picard, Star Trek First Contact
Jul 09 2004
Arcane Jill wrote:And over at http://www.erights.org/, you'll learn all about the E programming language, the the "secure distributed pure-object platform and p2p scripting language for writing Capability-based Smart Contracts."Wow.. During the "dot.boom" there was a dot.com speak generator thing which would come up with random things about like this. --Steve
Jul 09 2004
In article <ccmjq1$298$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Stephen Waits says...Arcane Jill wrote:My first thought was: "someone coded such a thing? Sweet." So ask google, and ye shall receive: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html http://mba.vanderbilt.edu/mike.shor/Humor/MBAWriter/ (java servlet) Enjoy, - PragmaAnd over at http://www.erights.org/, you'll learn all about the E programming language, the the "secure distributed pure-object platform and p2p scripting language for writing Capability-based Smart Contracts."Wow.. During the "dot.boom" there was a dot.com speak generator thing which would come up with random things about like this. --Steve
Jul 09 2004
:-) That MBA writer is great! Sounds rather like the "SpeakServer" I think Steve was referring to. Shame it's not online anymore ... "pragma" <EricAnderton at yahoo dot compragma_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:ccmlhb$5a4$1 digitaldaemon.com...In article <ccmjq1$298$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Stephen Waits says...programmingArcane Jill wrote:And over at http://www.erights.org/, you'll learn all about the Escriptinglanguage, the the "secure distributed pure-object platform and p2pMy first thought was: "someone coded such a thing? Sweet." So ask google, and ye shall receive: http://www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html http://mba.vanderbilt.edu/mike.shor/Humor/MBAWriter/ (java servlet) Enjoy, - Pragmalanguage for writing Capability-based Smart Contracts."Wow.. During the "dot.boom" there was a dot.com speak generator thing which would come up with random things about like this. --Steve
Jul 09 2004
Here's what I got: "e-enable viral technologies" :-)
Jul 10 2004
In article <cckg4v$5h$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Stephen Waits says...:) Along those same lines, has Walter done anything to legally reserve rights on that name???You can't trademark a letter of the alphabet! If you could, Microsoft would have trademarked all twenty six letters decades ago, and would by now be charging everyone royalties for everything ever written in Latin script. A couple of years back, ISO tried to charge royalites on ISO language and country codes. Since these are part of the XML and HTML spec, this would have affected pretty much the entire internet. They backed down due worldwide outrage. Now, I have a patent somewhere for the wheel... <g> Jill
Jul 08 2004
In an old onion article :). Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes REDMOND, WA—In what CEO Bill Gates called "an unfortunate but necessary step to protect our intellectual property from theft and exploitation by competitors," the Microsoft Corporation patented... 3311 | 25 March 1998 | News C In article <cclfbs$1cjo$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Arcane Jill says...In article <cckg4v$5h$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Stephen Waits says...:) Along those same lines, has Walter done anything to legally reserve rights on that name???You can't trademark a letter of the alphabet! If you could, Microsoft would have trademarked all twenty six letters decades ago, and would by now be charging everyone royalties for everything ever written in Latin script. A couple of years back, ISO tried to charge royalites on ISO language and country codes. Since these are part of the XML and HTML spec, this would have affected pretty much the entire internet. They backed down due worldwide outrage. Now, I have a patent somewhere for the wheel... <g> Jill
Jul 10 2004
D is the name of a Sun internal language. It was invented named after Walter's D. "Greg Vanore" <Greg_member pathlink.com> wrote in message news:cckf6h$307j$1 digitaldaemon.com...A friend of mine sent this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/08/dtrace_user_take/ It's about a utility called DTrace, providing realtime kernel stats/monitoring for Sun Solaris. The interesting part of the article is that the author states that the DTrace utility was written in D - and then also claims that the authors of DTrace take credit for inventing it! I wonder which is the fallacy: is this really written in D? Did the creators invent a different language and call it D? Did the creators arrogantly and falsely claim they created D? Or did the author of the article make a mistake? Interesting...
Jul 08 2004
FYI: ========================================================== From: Bryan Cantrill <bmc zion.eng.sun.com> To: steve waits.net Cc: bmc eng.sun.com, mws eng.sun.com, ahl eng.sun.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "D" language.. Hey Steve,It's been around for awhile: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ In fact it's the first link returned when googling "d language".When we started work on DTrace (in 2001), the D language wasn't around sufficiently to show up on a Google search; it seems that the D's were developed roughly in parallel. We don't intend to change the name of our D, and we think that our D and Digital Mars's D are sufficiently different that no one will be confused. And neither "D" can be trademarked, so there's no legal issue to speak of. Hopefully this didn't cause too much confusion...Were you all aware of this, and, are you considering renaming your language so as not to be so confusing? Nice work on the tool BTW.Thanks! Have you used DTrace, or did you see us at USENIX last week? - Bryan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Cantrill, Solaris Kernel Development. http://blogs.sun.com/bmc
Jul 08 2004
D first appeared on slashdot in August, 2001, but had been started in
December 1999.
"Stephen Waits" <steve waits.net> wrote in message
news:cckm40$88v$1 digitaldaemon.com...
FYI:
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From: Bryan Cantrill <bmc zion.eng.sun.com>
To: steve waits.net
Cc: bmc eng.sun.com, mws eng.sun.com, ahl eng.sun.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: "D" language..
Hey Steve,
> It's been around for awhile: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ In
> fact it's the first link returned when googling "d language".
When we started work on DTrace (in 2001), the D language wasn't around
sufficiently to show up on a Google search; it seems that the D's were
developed roughly in parallel. We don't intend to change the name of
our D, and we think that our D and Digital Mars's D are sufficiently
different that no one will be confused. And neither "D" can be
trademarked, so there's no legal issue to speak of.
Hopefully this didn't cause too much confusion...
> Were you all aware of this, and, are you considering renaming your
> language so as not to be so confusing?
>
> Nice work on the tool BTW.
Thanks! Have you used DTrace, or did you see us at USENIX last week?
- Bryan
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Bryan Cantrill, Solaris Kernel Development. http://blogs.sun.com/bmc
Jul 08 2004
Walter wrote:D first appeared on slashdot in August, 2001, but had been started in December 1999.I figured as much; however, it's between you and them. It probably doesn't bother you.. probably shouldn't anyway as your D has already become "D". --Steve
Jul 08 2004
"Stephen Waits" <steve waits.net> wrote in message news:ccl702$10h0$1 digitaldaemon.com...Walter wrote:I should also add that, as far as I can tell, Sun's language was not released until late 2003, when D was already firmly established. It's true that you cannot trademark a letter (Zilog tried that) or a number (Intel tried that), but if I were them I wouldn't call it D simply because I wouldn't want to spend every day answering questions about why it doesn't compile D code <g>.D first appeared on slashdot in August, 2001, but had been started in December 1999.I figured as much; however, it's between you and them. It probably doesn't bother you.. probably shouldn't anyway as your D has already become "D".
Jul 09 2004
In article <ccmgf8$2usm$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says..."Stephen Waits" <steve waits.net> wrote in message news:ccl702$10h0$1 digitaldaemon.com...Sorry to disappoint, but this has never come up -- our D's are really pretty orthogonal. And (for whatever it's worth) by the time we learned of Digial Mars's D, our D was also already firmly established (we had several hundred active users of D inside of Sun for several years before it became publicly available). I don't think it's going to cause much confusion; when people want to refer to DTrace, they usually say "DTrace", not "the D language" or "D" (we don't really advertise our D -- we view it as more of a detail). But apologies for any consternation that this caused -- I'm just glad you didn't name your language DTrace... ;) - Bryan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Cantrill, Solaris Kernel Development. http://blogs.sun.com/bmcWalter wrote:I should also add that, as far as I can tell, Sun's language was not released until late 2003, when D was already firmly established. It's true that you cannot trademark a letter (Zilog tried that) or a number (Intel tried that), but if I were them I wouldn't call it D simply because I wouldn't want to spend every day answering questions about why it doesn't compile D code <g>.D first appeared on slashdot in August, 2001, but had been started in December 1999.I figured as much; however, it's between you and them. It probably doesn't bother you.. probably shouldn't anyway as your D has already become "D".
Jul 15 2004