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reply Peter <peterP gmail.com> writes:
DIP: xxxx
Title: Introduce `private(this)` Access Modifier
Author: [Your Name]
Status: Draft
Created: 2025-07-04



This DIP proposes adding a new access modifier, `private(this)`, 
that applies only to class and struct members.
Outside the defining module it behaves identically to `private`.
Within the module, however, it restricts access to the scope of 
the declaring type, preventing any other code in the same module 
from touching it.



Currently, D’s `private` grants access to all code in the same 
module.
While that can simplify internal communication, it undermines 
encapsulation by allowing unrelated types
and functions in the same module to directly manipulate class or 
struct internals.
Enforcing true type-level privacy strengthens abstraction 
boundaries and helps maintain invariants.



- Applicable only to class and struct members.

- Outside the defining module, `private(this)` == `private`.

- Inside the defining module:
   - Only code lexically inside the body of the same class or 
struct may access the member.
   - No free functions, mixins, nested types, or other types in 
the module may access it.

- All existing access rules (transitive private, inheritance, 
package scopes) remain unchanged.



module example;

struct S
{
     private(this) int x;    // Only S’s code can touch x
     int getX() { return x; }
}

void helper()
{
     S s;
     // s.x = 5;             // Error: x not accessible here
}

Pros and Cons
-------------

Pros of not having private(this)

     Simpler access model with just private at module level.

     No new keyword to learn or confuse beginners.

     Existing codebases remain fully functional without change.

Cons of not having private(this)

     Invariants can be broken by unrelated code in the same module.

     Difficult to enforce strict encapsulation; relies on 
documentation and discipline.

     Module-sized privacy may encourage large modules with weak 
boundaries.


Pros of having private(this)

     Strong, compiler-enforced type-level encapsulation.

     Clearer abstraction boundaries and safer internal invariants.

     Encourages smaller, focused modules and cleaner 
object-oriented design.

Cons of having private(this)

     Introduces another access modifier and slightly raises 
language complexity.

     Potential confusion between private and private(this) for new 
users.

     May require refactoring of existing module-heavy code to 
satisfy the stricter rules.
Jul 04
next sibling parent ChatGPT <ChatGPT gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 July 2025 at 09:26:30 UTC, Peter wrote:
 DIP: xxxx
 Title: Introduce `private(this)` Access Modifier
 Author: [Your Name]
 Status: Draft
 Created: 2025-07-04



 This DIP proposes adding a new access modifier, 
 `private(this)`, that applies only to class and struct members.
 Outside the defining module it behaves identically to `private`.
 Within the module, however, it restricts access to the scope of 
 the declaring type, preventing any other code in the same 
 module from touching it.



 Currently, D’s `private` grants access to all code in the same 
 module.
 While that can simplify internal communication, it undermines 
 encapsulation by allowing unrelated types
 and functions in the same module to directly manipulate class 
 or struct internals.
 Enforcing true type-level privacy strengthens abstraction 
 boundaries and helps maintain invariants.



 - Applicable only to class and struct members.

 - Outside the defining module, `private(this)` == `private`.

 - Inside the defining module:
   - Only code lexically inside the body of the same class or 
 struct may access the member.
   - No free functions, mixins, nested types, or other types in 
 the module may access it.

 - All existing access rules (transitive private, inheritance, 
 package scopes) remain unchanged.



 module example;

 struct S
 {
     private(this) int x;    // Only S’s code can touch x
     int getX() { return x; }
 }

 void helper()
 {
     S s;
     // s.x = 5;             // Error: x not accessible here
 }

 Pros and Cons
 -------------

 Pros of not having private(this)

     Simpler access model with just private at module level.

     No new keyword to learn or confuse beginners.

     Existing codebases remain fully functional without change.

 Cons of not having private(this)

     Invariants can be broken by unrelated code in the same 
 module.

     Difficult to enforce strict encapsulation; relies on 
 documentation and discipline.

     Module-sized privacy may encourage large modules with weak 
 boundaries.


 Pros of having private(this)

     Strong, compiler-enforced type-level encapsulation.

     Clearer abstraction boundaries and safer internal 
 invariants.

     Encourages smaller, focused modules and cleaner 
 object-oriented design.

 Cons of having private(this)

     Introduces another access modifier and slightly raises 
 language complexity.

     Potential confusion between private and private(this) for 
 new users.

     May require refactoring of existing module-heavy code to 
 satisfy the stricter rules.
Upsides of Mutual Access to Private Members in D D's ability to allow mutual access to private members within the same module offers several significant advantages. Here's a breakdown of the key benefits: 1. Tight Coupling of Related Types - Seamless Collaboration: D encourages tight coupling between components that are closely related. Classes and functions within the same module can interact with each other’s internals, making it easier to implement complex logic that involves multiple types. - Easier Integration: With mutual access, it's simpler to integrate various parts of the code without having to expose unnecessary getter/setter methods or interfaces, resulting in a more natural flow of data and behavior. 2. Reduced Boilerplate Code - Fewer Getter/Setter Methods: By allowing classes and functions within the same module to access each other’s private members, you avoid the need for redundant getter/setter methods. This reduces boilerplate code and keeps the codebase cleaner and easier to maintain. - Cleaner Design: Without excessive public interfaces, the internal design remains more streamlined. This allows for easier readability and understanding of how components interact internally. 3. Simplified Refactoring Within a Module - Easier Refactoring: When classes and functions within the same module can access each other’s private members, it becomes easier to refactor code without needing to expose or rewrite public methods. You can change internal implementations more freely without breaking the code. - Less Overhead: Refactoring a class doesn’t require adjusting numerous public methods or creating additional interfaces to accommodate other parts of the module. It’s easier to modify internal logic without affecting the module’s public API. 4. Better Encapsulation Within the Module - Internal Access Control: While the private members are accessible within the module, they are still protected from external access. This maintains encapsulation by keeping internal implementation details hidden from other modules, while still allowing internal components to interact freely. - Module Boundaries: This design keeps the module's internal details encapsulated from other modules, ensuring that the outside world can only interact with the module’s public API, while the internal structure remains hidden and flexible. 5. Performance Considerations - Lower Overhead: The lack of getter/setter methods and the reduced need for intermediary layers means that code can be more efficient. Direct access to private members reduces the need for additional indirection or abstraction layers, leading to potential performance gains. - No Extra Abstraction: Since classes and functions within the module can directly access each other’s private data, you avoid the overhead of additional layers of abstraction that might otherwise be necessary to facilitate communication. 6. Greater Flexibility in Code Design - More Freedom for Developers: D allows greater flexibility in how internal components can interact with one another. Developers can design more flexible solutions without being forced to overabstract or expose unnecessary details to the outside world. - Easier to Express Complex Logic: By reducing the need for strict encapsulation between related components, you can implement more complex logic directly within the module. The components can work together without unnecessary restrictions, resulting in easier and more powerful designs. 7. Facilitates Testing and Debugging - Simpler Unit Testing: Since functions and classes can access each other’s private members, testing individual components becomes easier. For example, you can directly test internal states of a class without requiring elaborate mocking or stubbing. - Enhanced Debugging: During debugging, it's easier to inspect and manipulate the private state of classes within the same module. This can help you quickly identify issues and fix bugs without needing to write extra code to expose the internals. 8. Better Maintainability in Small to Medium-Sized Modules - Easier Collaboration: For small to medium-sized modules, mutual access promotes collaboration between related classes and functions. This makes it easier for multiple developers to work on different parts of the module without stepping on each other's toes or having to work through rigid public APIs. - Lower Overhead: For less complex modules, the simplicity of allowing private members to be accessed across components reduces the overhead of defining complex access control mechanisms and unnecessary abstraction. 9. Encourages Modular and Cohesive Design - Internal Module Cohesion: D encourages a design where components within the same module can interact easily, leading to modular, cohesive designs. This is beneficial when building systems that have clear module boundaries but need tight collaboration between related components. - Less Fragmentation: When related classes/functions can directly interact with each other’s private state, it helps avoid the fragmentation of internal logic across multiple interfaces. This reduces the risk of creating fragmented or overly-complicated code. Conclusion The ability to allow mutual access to private members within a module in D brings several advantages: 1. Tight coupling between related types, promoting seamless integration and interaction. 2. Reduced boilerplate code, making the codebase cleaner and more efficient. 3. Easier refactoring without the need for changing public interfaces. 4. Better encapsulation within the module, while still allowing internal access. 5. Improved performance due to fewer abstraction layers. 6. Greater flexibility for expressing complex logic and designs. 7. Simplified testing and debugging by directly accessing private state. 8. Better maintainability in smaller modules due to simplified access. 9. Modular and cohesive design, reducing unnecessary fragmentation. When used appropriately, this feature in D can significantly streamline development and make the codebase more manageable and flexible. ============================================== Downsides of Mutual Access to Private Members in D While D's approach to mutual access of private members within a module offers significant flexibility, there are several potential downsides and trade-offs: 1. Lack of Strict Encapsulation - Less Fine-Grained Control: By allowing multiple types (such as classes and functions) within the same module to access each other’s private members, D reduces the boundaries of encapsulation. While this is fine for tightly-coupled internal code, it might lead to accidental misuse or unintended dependencies between classes that could otherwise remain isolated. - Hidden Dependencies: Internal classes and functions become more coupled, making it harder to maintain isolation between components. A change in one class can unexpectedly affect others, leading to tight interdependencies that are harder to track. 2. Can Lead to Over-Exposure of Implementation Details - Increased Risk of Misuse: When private members are accessible to other components within the same module, it can encourage over-exposure of implementation details, which might lead to misuse by other classes/functions within the module. - Hidden Dependencies: Classes might start depending on private details of other classes, which makes internal refactoring difficult. Changes to one class could inadvertently break other parts of the module that rely on those private details. 3. Harder to Maintain Large Modules - Unclear Boundaries: With mutual access, it becomes unclear what should be the public API of the module versus what is internal. Over time, this can lead to bloated code with tangled interdependencies, making maintenance more difficult. - Fragile Code: A small change in one part of the module could propagate to unexpected areas, making the system more fragile and increasing the risk of bugs when modifying or extending the module. 4. Violates the Principle of Least Privilege - Excessive Access: The principle of least privilege is violated when classes and functions are granted more access than they need. This might lead to accidental modification of internal state, which could cause unintended side effects. - Unnecessary Dependencies: Functions or classes that don’t need access to private members might accidentally misuse them, creating dependencies that should not exist. 5. Can Encourage Bad Design Practices - Lack of Proper Interfaces: Developers might skip creating proper public interfaces and instead access private members directly. This leads to poor abstraction and makes the code harder to refactor in the future. - Tight Coupling: The design could encourage tight coupling between classes, which makes the code harder to extend or modify without affecting other components in the module. 6. Makes Code Less Reusable - Interdependencies: With private members exposed, code becomes less reusable. If classes or functions are tightly coupled within the module, reusing components in different contexts becomes difficult. The code becomes less modular, which reduces its flexibility. - Reduced Modularity: If components within a module depend on each other's internals, it’s harder to decouple them for reuse in other projects or modules. 7. Potential for Increased Technical Debt - Accumulation of Implicit Dependencies: As more components access each other's private members, the dependency graph becomes harder to track, and changes in one part of the module can have unintended effects elsewhere, increasing the technical debt over time. - Difficulty in Testing: When private members are freely accessed across the module, it complicates unit testing. You might need to write integration tests instead of unit tests, making it harder to ensure correctness. Conclusion While D’s ability to allow mutual access between private members of classes and functions within the same module provides flexibility and simplicity, it comes with several potential downsides: 1. Weakened encapsulation, leading to accidental misuse or unwanted interdependencies. 2. Increased fragility of the code due to tight coupling and interdependencies. 3. Potential violation of design principles like least privilege and good abstraction. 4. Increased technical debt and difficulty in maintaining or testing large codebases. It’s important for developers to use this feature judiciously and ensure that the internal access is intentional and not abused for convenience. Like all powerful language features, it can be a double-edged sword: used well, it can streamline development; used poorly, it can lead to tightly coupled, fragile code that’s hard to maintain and extend. ============================ What if D has another accessibitly modifier, called private(this), so that class members can use that to restrict visibilty to the class scope, and not allow other code in the same module to access private(this) members of a class. Introducing an access modifier like private(this) in D would be an interesting way to further restrict visibility and potentially enhance encapsulation in the language, adding a more fine-grained control over how private members are accessed. Here's a breakdown of what this would imply: Concept of private(this) in D If D were to introduce an access modifier like private(this), it would have the following characteristics: - Class-Level Visibility: The private(this) modifier would restrict access to only the class in which the member is defined. This would mean that even functions and classes within the same module would not be able to access the member, except for the class itself. - Module-Level Access: In contrast, the current private modifier in D allows access from any function or type within the same module, making it more permissive. Implications of private(this) in D Let’s explore the pros and cons, and how this could fit into D’s existing design. Upsides of private(this) in D 1. Stronger Encapsulation: - By restricting access to just the class itself, private(this) would enforce stricter encapsulation. This is particularly useful when you want to ensure that no other code (even within the same module) can interact with certain private members. This could prevent unintended changes or misuse of internal state. 2. Better Design for Internal Complexity: - Some classes may have complex internal logic that should be hidden even from other components in the same module. Using private(this) would allow the class to maintain total control over its internal state and interactions, without other parts of the module potentially messing with it. 3. Clearer Boundaries: - With private(this), it becomes very clear which members are truly private to the class, and which ones are shared within the module. This could make the code easier to understand and maintain, as developers would be forced to respect the class’s internal boundaries. 4. More Control Over Class Internal Changes: - Since only the class itself can modify its private(this) members, any refactoring or internal changes within the class can be done with confidence that no other code in the module will break the logic by depending on these private members. 5. Improved Testing: - Since private(this) members wouldn’t be accessible outside the class, it could encourage better unit testing practices. Classes would be forced to expose only the necessary public methods for interaction, and internal testing could focus on ensuring that the public interface behaves correctly without relying on direct access to private state. Downsides of private(this) in D 1. Reduced Flexibility: - The major downside of private(this) is the reduced flexibility it would impose on a module. Currently, D allows more flexible interaction within a module, which can make it easier to share logic across components without needing public methods or interfaces. private(this) would restrict that, potentially making some tasks more cumbersome or requiring more boilerplate. 2. Increased Boilerplate: - With private(this), helper functions or internal methods that need to access class members might need to be declared public or internal within the class, leading to additional code. This could increase boilerplate code and reduce the overall conciseness of the module. 3. Harder Refactoring for Cross-Class Dependencies: - If classes within the same module need to interact closely but the members they use are private(this), refactoring those interactions might become more difficult. You’d either have to create public methods or internal interfaces, which could increase coupling between classes and make the module less cohesive. 4. Performance Overhead: - If classes need to go through additional public or internal methods to access members previously marked as private(this), this could add an extra layer of indirection. While this overhead may not be significant in many cases, in performance-critical applications, it could be a factor to consider. 5. Lack of Flexibility for Testing Across Classes: - If you're trying to test the interaction between two closely related classes within the same module, and their members are private(this), testing could become harder. You might need to expose more members to make testing easier, or rely on more complex test setups. Comparison with Current private in D The existing private modifier in D allows other functions and types within the same module to access members marked as private. If private(this) were introduced, the class would retain full control over its internal members, preventing any external code within the same module from accessing them. - private: Accessible to any function or type within the same module. - private(this): Accessible only within the class that defines the member. Let's look at a practical example to see how private(this) might be used in D: module mymodule; class MyClass { private(this) int secret; this(int value){ secret = value; } // Can access secret because it's in the same class void printSecret() { writeln("Secret: ", secret); } } void main() { MyClass obj = new MyClass(42); obj.printSecret(); // Works fine // obj.secret = 100; // Error: 'secret' is private(this) and can't be accessed outside MyClass } In this example, the secret member is only accessible within MyClass. Any other function or class in the same module (including the main function) cannot access or modify secret directly, even though they are in the same module. The class is forced to expose only the necessary public methods (e.g., printSecret()), maintaining strong encapsulation. Would private(this) Be a Useful Addition? - Yes, for Strict Encapsulation: If you want to make certain class members completely hidden from everything except the class itself, private(this) would be a great tool. It would encourage better encapsulation and reduce the risk of accidentally exposing internal state that should remain private. - Maybe Not Always Ideal: In scenarios where classes are closely interrelated and need to share internal state in a more flexible way, private(this) might add unnecessary rigidity to the design. The existing private modifier gives more freedom for interacting between related classes, which is often useful when developing modular code in the same module. Conclusion Introducing a private(this) modifier in D would offer several benefits, such as: - Stronger encapsulation. - Clearer separation between internal and external logic. - More control over class state and internal changes. However, it would also come with trade-offs, including: - Reduced flexibility within modules. - Increased boilerplate and potential for harder refactoring. - More complexity for testing and interacting with closely related classes. Whether this feature would be beneficial depends on the specific use case and design philosophy of the project. For cases where strong internal isolation is crucial, private(this) would certainly be a valuable addition. For more modular, flexible designs, however, the current private modifier may still be preferable.
Jul 04
prev sibling parent CoPilot <CoPilot outlook.com> writes:
On Friday, 4 July 2025 at 09:26:30 UTC, Peter wrote:
 DIP: xxxx
 Title: Introduce `private(this)` Access Modifier
 Author: [Your Name]
 Status: Draft
 Created: 2025-07-04



 This DIP proposes adding a new access modifier, 
 `private(this)`, that applies only to class and struct members.
 Outside the defining module it behaves identically to `private`.
 Within the module, however, it restricts access to the scope of 
 the declaring type, preventing any other code in the same 
 module from touching it.



 Currently, D’s `private` grants access to all code in the same 
 module.
 While that can simplify internal communication, it undermines 
 encapsulation by allowing unrelated types
 and functions in the same module to directly manipulate class 
 or struct internals.
 Enforcing true type-level privacy strengthens abstraction 
 boundaries and helps maintain invariants.



 - Applicable only to class and struct members.

 - Outside the defining module, `private(this)` == `private`.

 - Inside the defining module:
   - Only code lexically inside the body of the same class or 
 struct may access the member.
   - No free functions, mixins, nested types, or other types in 
 the module may access it.

 - All existing access rules (transitive private, inheritance, 
 package scopes) remain unchanged.



 module example;

 struct S
 {
     private(this) int x;    // Only S’s code can touch x
     int getX() { return x; }
 }

 void helper()
 {
     S s;
     // s.x = 5;             // Error: x not accessible here
 }

 Pros and Cons
 -------------

 Pros of not having private(this)

     Simpler access model with just private at module level.

     No new keyword to learn or confuse beginners.

     Existing codebases remain fully functional without change.

 Cons of not having private(this)

     Invariants can be broken by unrelated code in the same 
 module.

     Difficult to enforce strict encapsulation; relies on 
 documentation and discipline.

     Module-sized privacy may encourage large modules with weak 
 boundaries.


 Pros of having private(this)

     Strong, compiler-enforced type-level encapsulation.

     Clearer abstraction boundaries and safer internal 
 invariants.

     Encourages smaller, focused modules and cleaner 
 object-oriented design.

 Cons of having private(this)

     Introduces another access modifier and slightly raises 
 language complexity.

     Potential confusion between private and private(this) for 
 new users.

     May require refactoring of existing module-heavy code to 
 satisfy the stricter rules.
This is a well-reasoned and timely proposal—thank you for putting it forward. Motivation and Design The rationale for private(this) is compelling. D’s current private model, while pragmatic, does blur encapsulation boundaries within a module. Introducing a stricter, type-scoped access modifier would empower developers to enforce invariants more robustly and design with clearer abstraction layers. I especially appreciate that: The behavior outside the defining module remains unchanged, preserving backward compatibility. The feature is opt-in and non-breaking, allowing gradual adoption. It aligns with modern language trends toward finer-grained access control (e.g., Swift’s fileprivate, Kotlin’s internal). Questions and Clarifications A few areas I’d love to see clarified or expanded: Syntax Choice Why private(this) specifically? It’s readable once explained, but might be non-obvious to newcomers. Were alternatives like typeprivate, strict private, or a new keyword considered? Nested Types and Lambdas Would nested types or lambdas defined lexically within the class/struct have access to private(this) members? If so, it would be helpful to spell that out explicitly. Mixins and Templates D relies heavily on mixins and templates. How would private(this) behave in those contexts? Would a mixin inside a class have access? What about a template instantiated within the type? Tooling and Diagnostics Would the compiler provide clear, actionable diagnostics when access is denied due to private(this)? This could help reduce confusion and improve adoption. Migration and Adoption While this is non-breaking, have you considered tools or compiler flags to help identify where private(this) could be beneficial in existing codebases? Broader Impact This proposal encourages better modularity and encapsulation, which could lead to cleaner, more maintainable code across the ecosystem. It also aligns well with D’s philosophy of giving developers precise control when they want it, without forcing complexity on those who don’t. Strong +1 from me on the concept. Looking forward to seeing how this evolves!
Jul 04