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reply Vasyl Teliman <vasniktel gmail.com> writes:
I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
available there:

https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

This produces a linker error.

I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
std.traits, std.typecons...).

Thanks in advance.
Mar 08
next sibling parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
 available there:

 https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

 This produces a linker error.

 I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
 would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
 like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
 std.traits, std.typecons...).

 Thanks in advance.
I can’t answer that but you can use C’s malloc directly: https://run.dlang.io/is/fnRFIr Bastiaan.
Mar 09
prev sibling next sibling parent Laeeth Isharc <laeeth laeeth.com> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
 available there:

 https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

 This produces a linker error.

 I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
 would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
 like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
 std.traits, std.typecons...).

 Thanks in advance.
I would guess it's not available because it was written before betterC mode was a thing and nobody has yet updated it. If you look at spasm on code.dlang.org there is a version you can copy paste that should work in betterC mode if I remember correctly.
Mar 09
prev sibling next sibling parent Nicholas Wilson <iamthewilsonator hotmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
 available there:

 https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

 This produces a linker error.

 I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
 would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
 like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
 std.traits, std.typecons...).

 Thanks in advance.
This is really a linker problem, because -betterC doesn't link druntime, and pbobos links druntime. to get around this pass -i=std.experimental.allocator to dmd along with the rest of you usual arguments.
Mar 09
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Sebastiaan Koppe <mail skoppe.eu> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 Also I would to know what parts of Phobos are available there
 (e.g. std.traits, std.typecons...).
There is no clear rule on which phobos packages work and which don't. It all depends on what underlying features the phobos package uses. Here is the list of what's not allowed in betterC: - Garbage Collection - TypeInfo and ModuleInfo - Classes - Built-in threading (e.g. core.thread) - Dynamic arrays (though slices of static arrays work) and associative arrays - Exceptions - synchronized and core.sync - Static module constructors or destructors Generally anything meta/compile-time works. Packages like std.traits / std.meta / std.range / std.algorithm are not an issue. You would expect std.typecons.tuple to work as well, but it doesn't. If you are doing ctfe, then you are in for a bummer. Because the same restrictions apply there as well. There is supposed to be a workaround by including the ctfe file in question via -I on the command line, but I could never make it work in dub. If you encounter something that doesn't work, there are a couple of options. Sometimes the function you are trying to use is betterC compatible but is inside a package that isn't. Just extract it into a separate file. At other times it is because the struct has a toString method, or throws an exception. Again, copy the relevant part, rip out the toString method and/or replace the exception with an assert (of course, after you make sure the assert doesn't get triggered). There might also be the option to use nogc exceptions (dip 1008), but I am not sure. If all that isn't possible, you will have to rewrite the thing in question.
Mar 09
parent Nicholas Wilson <iamthewilsonator hotmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 at 12:42:34 UTC, Sebastiaan Koppe wrote:
 There might also be the option to use  nogc exceptions (dip 
 1008), but I am not sure.
That won't work as the implementation on DIP1008 cheats the type system but doesn't actually work, i.e. the exceptions are still CG allocated.
Mar 09
prev sibling next sibling parent reply 9il <ilyayaroshenko gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
 available there:

 https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

 This produces a linker error.

 I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
 would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
 like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
 std.traits, std.typecons...).

 Thanks in advance.
Try this package https://github.com/dlang-community/stdx-allocator (v3.0.2) It was fixed to be used in BetterC. If it still does not work you can open an issue and ping me ( 9il). Best, Ilya
Mar 09
parent reply Sebastiaan Koppe <mail skoppe.eu> writes:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 at 17:14:37 UTC, 9il wrote:
 It was fixed to be used in BetterC. If it still does not work 
 you can open an issue and ping me ( 9il).
That is awesome. I suppose support for betterC is only from v3 upwards?
Mar 09
parent 9il <ilyayaroshenko gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 9 March 2019 at 19:40:27 UTC, Sebastiaan Koppe wrote:
 On Saturday, 9 March 2019 at 17:14:37 UTC, 9il wrote:
 It was fixed to be used in BetterC. If it still does not work 
 you can open an issue and ping me ( 9il).
That is awesome. I suppose support for betterC is only from v3 upwards?
Yes. However, it is hard to test. Also, BetterC works better in LDC. I have never seen a real production betterC program compiled with DMD.
Mar 09
prev sibling parent Seb <seb wilzba.ch> writes:
On Friday, 8 March 2019 at 09:24:25 UTC, Vasyl Teliman wrote:
 I've tried to use Mallocator in BetterC but it seems it's not 
 available there:

 https://run.dlang.io/is/pp3HDq

 This produces a linker error.

 I'm wondering why Mallocator is not available in this mode (it 
 would be intuitive to assume that it's working). Also I would 
 like to know what parts of Phobos are available there (e.g. 
 std.traits, std.typecons...).

 Thanks in advance.
Just for reference there's also a few number of tests in Phobos annotated with betterC. As expected, they are tested with -betterC. However, at the moment this annotated subset is pretty small and not exposed to the documentation. Though it shouldn't be too hard to increase the subset and mark the annotated function in the documentation.
Mar 10