digitalmars.D.learn - Meta question - what about moving the D - Learn Forum to a seperate
- Martin Tschierschke (15/15) Oct 18 2019 If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end
- jmh530 (6/7) Oct 18 2019 I think this is something that's been proposed before, but most
- Martin Tschierschke (12/19) Oct 18 2019 Yes, it works as it is, but it is not the best solution to share
- Seb (6/26) Oct 18 2019 In the state of the D survey, there were more people in favor of
- Paolo Invernizzi (5/12) Oct 18 2019 Maybe it's possible to simply add an up/down vote functionality
- Martin Tschierschke (8/22) Oct 18 2019 +1
- Andrea Fontana (4/6) Oct 18 2019 I agree. I think D.learn should be moved to stackoverflow and
- bachmeier (8/23) Oct 18 2019 You can already ask questions on SO. What you are proposing is to
- Martin Tschierschke (7/34) Oct 18 2019 I am not for moving just to StackOverflow, but to make an own
- bachmeier (7/42) Oct 18 2019 But then users would have to register for a new site, even if
- bachmeier (7/22) Oct 18 2019 And on the issue of knowing which answers are still valid, that
- Ron Tarrant (14/16) Oct 18 2019 I have found that StackExchange does often have answers, but I
- Martin Tschierschke (6/22) Oct 18 2019 This is why I am for an own D Learn Forum, the process is
- Adam D. Ruppe (10/15) Oct 18 2019 Was that tagged D? Other tags tend to get obnoxious attention,
If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc. The main advantage is, that all answers can be classified (up/down voted, moderated etc.) This is much better than finding something in the D-Learn Forum where it is difficult to see, if several answers are given are they still valid, especially if they are some years old. I know that this was asked in the D survey and I think it should be on the table again. If we unite for this idea, it should be possible to start an own "DExchange" sub platform. Best regards mt.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:[snip]I think this is something that's been proposed before, but most people are happy with just asking a question here and usually people are pretty good about helping out with answers when possible.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:23:28 UTC, jmh530 wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:Yes, it works as it is, but it is not the best solution to share know how. And if I just think: Hey, your answer is good, in the mailinglist / forum / newsgroup setup it is impossible to easily vote for it and get a count of this votes. I think it is possible to extended the web front end of the forum in this direction and automatically map an '+1' or '-1' comment (in a single line) to a counter which will be displayed beside the commented post. But this is reinventing the wheel... I am just sad, that many very good questions and answers given in the forum are not so easy to find as they should.[snip]I think this is something that's been proposed before, but most people are happy with just asking a question here and usually people are pretty good about helping out with answers when possible.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:55:59 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:23:28 UTC, jmh530 wrote:In the state of the D survey, there were more people in favor of StackOverflow than D.learn, but to be fair the majority voted for "I don't care" https://rawgit.com/wilzbach/state-of-d/master/report.htmlOn Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:Yes, it works as it is, but it is not the best solution to share know how. And if I just think: Hey, your answer is good, in the mailinglist / forum / newsgroup setup it is impossible to easily vote for it and get a count of this votes. I think it is possible to extended the web front end of the forum in this direction and automatically map an '+1' or '-1' comment (in a single line) to a counter which will be displayed beside the commented post. But this is reinventing the wheel... I am just sad, that many very good questions and answers given in the forum are not so easy to find as they should.[snip]I think this is something that's been proposed before, but most people are happy with just asking a question here and usually people are pretty good about helping out with answers when possible.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 11:45:33 UTC, Seb wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:55:59 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:Maybe it's possible to simply add an up/down vote functionality to the forum only, just keeping the compatibility with the newsgroup ... It's a win/win solution![...]In the state of the D survey, there were more people in favor of StackOverflow than D.learn, but to be fair the majority voted for "I don't care" https://rawgit.com/wilzbach/state-of-d/master/report.html
Oct 18 2019
Martin Tschierschke <mt smartdolphin.de> On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 12:41:53 UTC, Paolo Invernizzi wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 11:45:33 UTC, Seb wrote:+1 It may help in the DIP discussions, too! You can just see if an argument for or against a change, is accepted by the majority of thread readers or not. And you can highlight those up-voted arguments to get an better impression about the outcome of the discussion in total.On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:55:59 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:Maybe it's possible to simply add an up/down vote functionality to the forum only, just keeping the compatibility with the newsgroup ... It's a win/win solution![...]In the state of the D survey, there were more people in favor of StackOverflow than D.learn, but to be fair the majority voted for "I don't care" https://rawgit.com/wilzbach/state-of-d/master/report.html
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 10:55:59 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:Yes, it works as it is, but it is not the best solution to share know how.I agree. I think D.learn should be moved to stackoverflow and D.general should stay here.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc. The main advantage is, that all answers can be classified (up/down voted, moderated etc.) This is much better than finding something in the D-Learn Forum where it is difficult to see, if several answers are given are they still valid, especially if they are some years old. I know that this was asked in the D survey and I think it should be on the table again. If we unite for this idea, it should be possible to start an own "DExchange" sub platform. Best regards mt.You can already ask questions on SO. What you are proposing is to close this forum, require registration to ask a question, and let JavaScript developers close questions and treat new users rudely. That doesn't seem like a good idea. The fact that most questions get asked here rather than on SO now suggests that there isn't much demand for SO.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 12:51:35 UTC, bachmeier wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:I am not for moving just to StackOverflow, but to make an own "DExchange" / "AskD" or what ever named learn platform with and inside the StackExchange [1] technology. This should keep D users together and would avoid mixing with other languages. But I am not sure if this is really achievable for us. [1] https://stackexchange.com/sites#If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc. The main advantage is, that all answers can be classified (up/down voted, moderated etc.) This is much better than finding something in the D-Learn Forum where it is difficult to see, if several answers are given are they still valid, especially if they are some years old. I know that this was asked in the D survey and I think it should be on the table again. If we unite for this idea, it should be possible to start an own "DExchange" sub platform. Best regards mt.You can already ask questions on SO. What you are proposing is to close this forum, require registration to ask a question, and let JavaScript developers close questions and treat new users rudely. That doesn't seem like a good idea. The fact that most questions get asked here rather than on SO now suggests that there isn't much demand for SO.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 13:30:37 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 12:51:35 UTC, bachmeier wrote:But then users would have to register for a new site, even if they already have a SO account. That would greatly reduce the number willing to ask questions. I don't have a problem with doing that (and you certainly can do so without asking anyone) but I strongly oppose shutting down D.learn.On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:I am not for moving just to StackOverflow, but to make an own "DExchange" / "AskD" or what ever named learn platform with and inside the StackExchange [1] technology. This should keep D users together and would avoid mixing with other languages. But I am not sure if this is really achievable for us. [1] https://stackexchange.com/sites#If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc. The main advantage is, that all answers can be classified (up/down voted, moderated etc.) This is much better than finding something in the D-Learn Forum where it is difficult to see, if several answers are given are they still valid, especially if they are some years old. I know that this was asked in the D survey and I think it should be on the table again. If we unite for this idea, it should be possible to start an own "DExchange" sub platform. Best regards mt.You can already ask questions on SO. What you are proposing is to close this forum, require registration to ask a question, and let JavaScript developers close questions and treat new users rudely. That doesn't seem like a good idea. The fact that most questions get asked here rather than on SO now suggests that there isn't much demand for SO.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:If I search for what ever, not related to D, I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc. The main advantage is, that all answers can be classified (up/down voted, moderated etc.) This is much better than finding something in the D-Learn Forum where it is difficult to see, if several answers are given are they still valid, especially if they are some years old. I know that this was asked in the D survey and I think it should be on the table again. If we unite for this idea, it should be possible to start an own "DExchange" sub platform. Best regards mt.And on the issue of knowing which answers are still valid, that hasn't been the case for a long time on SO. I wasted a lot of time yesterday with not one but two accepted answers on regular expressions that were wrong (both did solve the specific problem, but neither did what was claimed).
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like > StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc.I have found that StackExchange does often have answers, but I can't say I like asking questions on there, especially if the question is almost-the-same-but-not-the-same as a question asked earlier. In cases like this, I've been told that the previous answer applies to my question, even when it doesn't. In one instance, a moderator closed my question without reading the details in order to find out that, no, it's not the same question at all... and then refuse to reopen the question when I point this out. So, although I'll continue to use StackExchange as an historical resource, I would rather not depend on it for getting answers to new questions.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 13:38:11 UTC, Ron Tarrant wrote:On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 07:35:21 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote:This is why I am for an own D Learn Forum, the process is (partly) described here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/76974/how-can-i-propose-a-new-site The moderators of this should come from this forum community, if this can not be achieved, I am against a move, too.I very often end with a solution found on one of the StackExchange forums like > StackOverflow or AskUbuntu etc.I have found that StackExchange does often have answers, but I can't say I like asking questions on there, especially if the question is almost-the-same-but-not-the-same as a question asked earlier. In cases like this, I've been told that the previous answer applies to my question, even when it doesn't. In one instance, a moderator closed my question without reading the details in order to find out that, no, it's not the same question at all... and then refuse to reopen the question when I point this out. So, although I'll continue to use StackExchange as an historical resource, I would rather not depend on it for getting answers to new questions.
Oct 18 2019
On Friday, 18 October 2019 at 13:38:11 UTC, Ron Tarrant wrote:I have found that StackExchange does often have answers, but I can't say I like asking questions on there, especially if the question is almost-the-same-but-not-the-same as a question asked earlier. In cases like this, I've been told that the previous answer applies to my question, even when it doesn't.Was that tagged D? Other tags tend to get obnoxious attention, but stuff tagged D usually gets jumped on fairly quickly by people you'd recognize here and we're all pretty easy going and can push back if outside moderators get involved. Though really since it is the same people, I don't see any real difference in asking here or SO on IRC. SO might be better for searching and I do often write a little more there for those searches and links, but I don't particularly mind duplicates anyway.
Oct 18 2019