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reply Stephane C <skip5500 hotmail.com> writes:
Hello,
Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about to
abandon development of their IDE.

blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

IDE.
Nov 04 2010
next sibling parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net> writes:
Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about
to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

IDE.


very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements
Nov 04 2010
parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  
wrote:


 Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are  
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a  

 professional-grade IDE.


 very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements


I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as "a  
financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the main  
one.
No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy  
it?

And he could just get tired of various dmd bugs, that's also  
understandable.
Nov 04 2010
parent Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin schrieb:

 On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net> 
 wrote:
 

 Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX 
 are about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for 

 professional-grade IDE.


 very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements


 
 I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as 
 "a financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the 
 main one.
 No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy 
 it?
 


Yeah, I'd never pay $150 for an IDE in alpha status that (according to their
homepage) doesn't even 
do autocompletion.

(Honestly, I'm not sure I'd pay that much money for any IDE - there are free
alternatives and mostly 
a text editor with syntax highlighting is enough. At least for smaller
non-professional projects - I 
guess most D projects at the moment are like that.)
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Michal Minich <michal.minich gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:58:05 -0400, Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.
 
 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
 
 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

 professional-grade IDE.


Commercial doesn't mean professional.

After asking such incredible price for product which has several better 
free alternatives, I'm not surprised nobody bought it. What is sad is the 
blame that should be directed at Author's inability in so much time to 
develop a product able to stand out of free alternatives, and with 
appropriate price for it's capabilities.

It seems to me that Author itself is causal amateur programmer who 
stumbled upon D, broken hes knees and now is crying out loud.

Visuald, Posiedon, Descent - to mention only few D specific IDEs I used 
which are better or comparable, and there are more

I'm curious how he want to compete in C++ field. But as he says, it will 
take time, in which I will totally forgot about this.
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Ellery Newcomer <ellery-newcomer utulsa.edu> writes:
On 11/04/2010 03:58 AM, Stephane C wrote:

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

IDE.


or a professional-grade compiler, for that matter
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.
 
 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
 
 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

 professional-grade IDE.


Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need 
an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good 
enough. 

Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very 

respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.
Nov 06 2010
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:

 Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

 professional-grade IDE.


 Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need
 an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good
 enough.

 Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very

 respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.


Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting 
for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good 
as JDT.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 06 2010
parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:

 Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

 professional-grade IDE.


 Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you
 need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is
 not good enough.

 Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very

 some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.


 
 Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting
 for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good
 as JDT.
 


Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors 
too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for 
D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also 
looking forward to try DDT.
Nov 06 2010
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-11-06 15:15, Lutger wrote:

 Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:

 Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a

 professional-grade IDE.


 Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you
 need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is
 not good enough.

 Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very

 some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.


 Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting
 for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good
 as JDT.


 Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors
 too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for
 D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also
 looking forward to try DDT.


It had/has a lot of bugs, crashing several times every day but it 
had/has more features than, for example, CDT and in the end I thought it 
was (still is) worth it because of all the features it has (most of the 
times).

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Nov 07 2010
parent reply Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
On 11/07/2010 05:57 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2010-11-06 15:15, Lutger wrote:

 Jacob Carlborg wrote:


 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:

 Stephane C wrote:


 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance
 for a

 professional-grade IDE.


 Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you
 need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is
 not good enough.

 Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very

 some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.


 Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting
 for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good
 as JDT.


 Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in
 contributors
 too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic
 plumbing for
 D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also
 looking forward to try DDT.


 It had/has a lot of bugs, crashing several times every day but it
 had/has more features than, for example, CDT and in the end I thought it
 was (still is) worth it because of all the features it has (most of the
 times).


Yeah... Most of those bugs were my innability to deal with the ported 
parser/compiler, and I can't imagine another IDE with those semantic 
capabilities without using DMD's source code. Or... you could try to 
understand the compiler's logic and implement it in another way, more 
useful to an IDE, except that the logic is incredibly complex, even 
though the website says another thing. Or making a simpler IDE with not 
many semantic features, but that was a boring task for me.

Are there any other implementation of a D compiler that don't use DMD as 
the frontend?
Nov 08 2010
parent Trass3r <un known.com> writes:
 Are there any other implementation of a D compiler that don't use DMD as  
 the frontend?


dil and another still non-public project.
Nov 08 2010