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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post 
the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.

Andrei
Dec 10 2011
next sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 22:44:03 UTC, Andrei 
Alexandrescu wrote:

 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to 
 automatically post the tweets of D_language to 
 digitalmars.D.announce.


Hmm, is this the best solution? It would mean either redundant 
posts, or posts that are atypically short for newsgroups. Two 
thoughts:

1) If we're going to do the front-page syndication widget, only 
one need appear on the front page.

2) We could automate or facilitate posting headlines with links 
of announce posts to Twitter, for example using a "Share on 
Twitter" button (hidden to users by default, or visible only on 
top-level .announce posts, etc.).
Dec 10 2011
parent "Regan Heath" <regan netmail.co.nz> writes:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:13:43 -0000, Vladimir Panteleev  
<vladimir thecybershadow.net> wrote:


 On Saturday, 10 December 2011 at 22:44:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post  
 the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.


 Hmm, is this the best solution? It would mean either redundant posts, or  
 posts that are atypically short for newsgroups.


Could we collect them and make 1 post with the tweets for the last x  
hours..

R

-- 
Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:44:05 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu  
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post  
 the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.


Please don't involve twitter on the newsgroups.  If I wanted to follow D  
on twitter, I'd sign up for a twitter account.  I don't mind the twitter  
feed on the front page, because I rarely ever view that page, and it's  
good to appeal to people already involved with twitter.

-Steve
Dec 12 2011
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:op.v6dq5dj9eav7ka localhost.localdomain...

 On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:44:05 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu 
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post 
 the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.


 Please don't involve twitter on the newsgroups.  If I wanted to follow D 
 on twitter, I'd sign up for a twitter account.


Ditto.


 I don't mind the twitter  feed on the front page, because I rarely ever 
 view that page, and it's  good to appeal to people already involved with 
 twitter.


I do enter through the front page a lot, and while I don't usually see the 
twitface feed (b/c I use FF2 with lots of crap-blocking plugins...and 
please, can I mention FF2 *ONCE* without some crusader deciding I need to be 
saved by "upgrade your browser" evangelism?), I do get the twit feed with 
other browsers and I'd be thrilled for it to disappear.

Even setting aside my own opinions of twitface (ie, that it's useless, 
moronic, aptly-named, and deserves to go out of business), there are still 
real issues with it:

- It *significantly* slows down the page load. I'll describe it this way: 
FF2 is well known to be super-slow compared to every other modern browser, 
including newer versions of FF. And yet, my twitface-blocking FF2 loads the 
page many times *faster* (it's *very* noticable) than *every* modern 
non-twitface-blocking browser I've thrown at it.

- I think it may be crashing Iron (ie, Chrome sans the malware). It's either 
the twit feed or the google translator, but something on the homepage is 
crashing Iron/Chrome for me (it happens after the main HTML/CSS loads and 
gets displayed).

- It's extremely visually-jarring. It doesn't fit the visual style of the 
rest of the page at all. Which might be acceptable on a minor sub-page, but 
it's no good for the language's primary entryway.

- People who care about twitface can subscribe to it themselves. Forcing it 
on everyone else is not only rude, but it effectively amounts to an 
advertisement for twitface right on D's homepage - which is grossly 
inappropriate (even regardless of anyone's personal opinions of twitface). 
It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 at 17:04:03 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 ...and please, can I mention FF2 *ONCE* without some crusader 
 deciding I need to be saved by "upgrade your browser" 
 evangelism?


But Firefox Eleven has TwitFace integration built RIGHT INTO IT! 
:P


 - It *significantly* slows down the page load. I'll describe it 
 this way: FF2 is well known to be super-slow compared to every 
 other modern browser, including newer versions of FF. And yet, 
 my twitface-blocking FF2 loads the page many times *faster* 
 (it's *very* noticable) than *every* modern 
 non-twitface-blocking browser I've thrown at it.


I plan to take an attempt at a DFeed-powered news syndication 
widget to replace the Twitter one. Until then, to speed up page 
load it can be placed in an iframe. Anyone could put together a 
pull request for that.


 - I think it may be crashing Iron (ie, Chrome sans the 
 malware). It's either the twit feed or the google translator, 
 but something on the homepage is crashing Iron/Chrome for me 
 (it happens after the main HTML/CSS loads and gets displayed).


Unintentional browser crashes are a fault on the browser's part. 
No website should be able to crash a browser. Crashes may 
indicate security vulnerabilities.


 - People who care about twitface can subscribe to it 
 themselves. Forcing it on everyone else is not only rude, but 
 it effectively amounts to an advertisement for twitface right 
 on D's homepage - which is grossly inappropriate (even 
 regardless of anyone's personal opinions of twitface). It's no 
 different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


I think it's not any less inappropriate than using Google page 
translation widget (because Google offers one of the best free 
website translation service), or linking to Wikipedia or Google's 
Lucky Search for certain terms in the documentation, etc. 
Rejecting a corporate solution that is a de-facto standard due to 
non-practical reasons would be a disservice to users. I don't use 
Twitter, but D_Programming has 801 followers, so some people 
obviously find it useful. Not mentioning it on the website would 
make it undiscoverable, and having a custom manually-updated news 
feed would be duplicated effort.
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 11:20 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 at 17:04:03 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 ...and please, can I mention FF2 *ONCE* without some crusader deciding
 I need to be saved by "upgrade your browser" evangelism?


 But Firefox Eleven has TwitFace integration built RIGHT INTO IT! :P


 - It *significantly* slows down the page load. I'll describe it this
 way: FF2 is well known to be super-slow compared to every other modern
 browser, including newer versions of FF. And yet, my twitface-blocking
 FF2 loads the page many times *faster* (it's *very* noticable) than
 *every* modern non-twitface-blocking browser I've thrown at it.


 I plan to take an attempt at a DFeed-powered news syndication widget to
 replace the Twitter one. Until then, to speed up page load it can be
 placed in an iframe. Anyone could put together a pull request for that.


Yah. Actually an iframe would be an excellent idea for the Google 
Translate widget too. To see how slow that loads, click on a few items 
in the navigation panel. The currently selected item gets underlined 
only after a long delay.

Andrei
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 11:20 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 I plan to take an attempt at a DFeed-powered news syndication widget to
 replace the Twitter one.


Only thing is we shouldn't end up rewriting Twitter.

Andrei
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 9:20 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 and
 having a custom manually-updated news feed would be duplicated effort.


I've tried that a few times, and inevitably I run out of steam and it gets 
neglected. Sort of like doing backups (I now use an automated backup system!).
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 at 18:20:02 UTC, Walter Bright 
wrote:

 On 12/14/2011 9:20 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 and
 having a custom manually-updated news feed would be duplicated 
 effort.


 I've tried that a few times, and inevitably I run out of steam 
 and it gets neglected. Sort of like doing backups (I now use an 
 automated backup system!).


Real engineers solve a problem exactly once (even if solving it 
once takes several times more time than doing the work by hand) ;)
Dec 14 2011
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 12:21 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 at 18:20:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 12/14/2011 9:20 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:

 and
 having a custom manually-updated news feed would be duplicated effort.


 I've tried that a few times, and inevitably I run out of steam and it
 gets neglected. Sort of like doing backups (I now use an automated
 backup system!).


 Real engineers solve a problem exactly once (even if solving it once
 takes several times more time than doing the work by hand) ;)


"Why program by hand in five days what you can spend five years of your 
life automating?"

Terrence Parr
http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~parrt/


Andrei
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 11:02 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 I do enter through the front page a lot, and while I don't usually see the
 twitface feed (b/c I use FF2


Upgrade your browser :o).

Andrei
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 11:02 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Even setting aside my own opinions of twitface (ie, that it's
 useless, moronic, aptly-named, and deserves to go out of business),


By no means Twitter fan here, but I disagree. For Walter and myself
Twitter is an app - a convenient means to disseminate brief
announcements to those interested.


 there are still real issues with it:

 - It *significantly* slows down the page load. I'll describe it this
 way: FF2 is well known to be super-slow compared to every other
 modern browser, including newer versions of FF. And yet, my
 twitface-blocking FF2 loads the page many times *faster* (it's *very*
 noticable) than *every* modern non-twitface-blocking browser I've
 thrown at it.


iframe as mentioned.


 - I think it may be crashing Iron (ie, Chrome sans the malware). It's
 either the twit feed or the google translator, but something on the
 homepage is crashing Iron/Chrome for me (it happens after the main
 HTML/CSS loads and gets displayed).


Problem with the browser as mentioned.


 - It's extremely visually-jarring. It doesn't fit the visual style of
 the rest of the page at all. Which might be acceptable on a minor
 sub-page, but it's no good for the language's primary entryway.


You can change colors, let's see a mock-up.


 - People who care about twitface can subscribe to it themselves.
 Forcing it on everyone else is not only rude, but it effectively
 amounts to an advertisement for twitface right on D's homepage -
 which is grossly inappropriate (even regardless of anyone's personal
 opinions of twitface).


You are making it quite evident you dislike Twitter, but it's tenuous to
convert that into the assessment that dlang.org is being rude to its users.


 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


Andrei
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


Yes, you're using it, but by doing so you're also pulling in twit's 
branding, which amounts to an endorsement.
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:17 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it, but by doing so you're also pulling in twit's
 branding, which amounts to an endorsement.


And so does every other web site on the planet.  I don't see how this is a  
problem.

If you don't like it, ignore it.

And I think you'd be better off with Netscape Navigator.  I don't remember  
it ever showing any twitter feeds.

-Steve
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:op.v6hu2dsheav7ka localhost.localdomain...

 On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:17 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it, but by doing so you're also pulling in twit's
 branding, which amounts to an endorsement.


 And so does every other web site on the planet.


They really shouldn't. Anything that's potentially applicable to more or 
less any site/page belongs as an option in the browser (even if as a 
add-on).


  I don't see how this is a  problem.

 If you don't like it, ignore it.

 And I think you'd be better off with Netscape Navigator.  I don't remember 
 it ever showing any twitter feeds.


Neither does the primary one I'm using, as I've already said.

Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I didn't need any 
"d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get three such responses in under 
3 hours (although at least one of them looked like it may have been 
tongue-in-cheek...?). Apperently I'm not allowed to choose my own browser? 
Or maybe I'm just not allowed to mention which one I'm using?

Fuck, how dare I have *any* problem with anything that's popular. Imagine 
the *nerve* of that asshole Nick who stubburnly *refuses* to be thrilled 
with twitter!! After all it's new and popular! Let's stone that goddamn 
old-fasionioned motherfucker for not being the good little corporate 
trend-whore he's expected to be!!
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent "Vladimir Panteleev" <vladimir thecybershadow.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 at 19:50:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I 
 didn't need any "d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get 
 three such responses in under 3 hours (although at least one of 
 them looked like it may have been tongue-in-cheek...?).


Psst: they all were.


 Apperently I'm not allowed to choose my own browser? Or maybe 
 I'm just not allowed to mention which one I'm using?

 Fuck, how dare I have *any* problem with anything that's 
 popular. Imagine the *nerve* of that asshole Nick who 
 stubburnly *refuses* to be thrilled with twitter!! After all 
 it's new and popular! Let's stone that goddamn old-fasionioned 
 motherfucker for not being the good little corporate 
 trend-whore he's expected to be!!


what
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:48:48 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:op.v6hu2dsheav7ka localhost.localdomain...

 On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:23:17 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it, but by doing so you're also pulling in twit's
 branding, which amounts to an endorsement.


 And so does every other web site on the planet.


 They really shouldn't. Anything that's potentially applicable to more or
 less any site/page belongs as an option in the browser (even if as a
 add-on).


*shrug* it is what it is.  You don't have to embrace it if you don't want  
to.  I personally don't have a facebook or twitter or myspace or whatever  
account.


  I don't see how this is a  problem.

 If you don't like it, ignore it.

 And I think you'd be better off with Netscape Navigator.  I don't  
 remember
 it ever showing any twitter feeds.


 Neither does the primary one I'm using, as I've already said.

 Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I didn't need  
 any
 "d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get three such responses in  
 under
 3 hours (although at least one of them looked like it may have been
 tongue-in-cheek...?). Apperently I'm not allowed to choose my own  
 browser?
 Or maybe I'm just not allowed to mention which one I'm using?


relax, Nick :)  Read my implicitly tongue in cheek reply again.  I'll  
stress *Netscape Navigator*.  And I think all the "upgrade your browser"  
replies were TIC.


 Fuck, how dare I have *any* problem with anything that's popular. Imagine
 the *nerve* of that asshole Nick who stubburnly *refuses* to be thrilled
 with twitter!! After all it's new and popular! Let's stone that goddamn
 old-fasionioned motherfucker for not being the good little corporate
 trend-whore he's expected to be!!


I have nothing against your personal opinion, you are certainly allowed to  
express it (and I'm more amused than shocked at your vile hatred towards  
everything trendy :).  But shunning popular avenues of social networking  
is not the way to spread the word about D.  You would not make a good  
marketing director :)

-Steve
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:op.v6hw8cs5eav7ka localhost.localdomain...

 relax, Nick :)  Read my implicitly tongue in cheek reply again.  I'll 
 stress *Netscape Navigator*.  And I think all the "upgrade your browser" 
 replies were TIC.


I misread the netscape reference as sarcasm. Today's not a good day for me 
in general, for unrelated reasons.


 Fuck, how dare I have *any* problem with anything that's popular. Imagine
 the *nerve* of that asshole Nick who stubburnly *refuses* to be thrilled
 with twitter!! After all it's new and popular! Let's stone that goddamn
 old-fasionioned motherfucker for not being the good little corporate
 trend-whore he's expected to be!!


 I have nothing against your personal opinion, you are certainly allowed to 
 express it (and I'm more amused than shocked at your vile hatred towards 
 everything trendy :).


It's not so much "everything trendy" that I have a problem with as:

- Blind embracement of trends.
- Ostracization and/or contempt towards anyone/anything that fails to 
blindly embrace all trends.
- Certain specific trends.


 But shunning popular avenues of social networking  is not the way to 
 spread the word about D.


If D wants a twit feed and a link to it or whatever, then whatever. I just 
don't think prominent corporate branding is appropriate on the frontpage 
unless it's something directly connected (Digital Mars would be appropriate, 
for example). Any other complaints I have about social networking or 
whatever else aren't really about spreading word of D anyway, but rather 
spreading word of sensible software design.


 You would not make a good  marketing director :)


Indeed. I would insist on giving potential users credit for basic 
intelligence rather then treating them like, and catering exclusively to, 
sheep. But doing so would limit me to a very small niche market. :/

I do get what you're saying though. I normally compare it to salesmanship 
instead: I'd make a terrible commission-based salesman, a fact I take pride 
in.
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:00:58 -0500, Nick Sabalausky <a a.a> wrote:


 It's not so much "everything trendy" that I have a problem with as:

 - Blind embracement of trends.


Nobody is blindly embracing twitter.  It's an effective tool for  
announcing improvements for D -- one that many D users use (judging by the  
number of followers).

I personally dislike facebook (no offense Andrei), because I hate the  
whole idea of having thousands of "friends".  I have friends, they are  
real, and I know I can trust them.  That girl I went on a date with once  
in high school but never talked to since graduation is not my "friend".   
And if one of these people sent me a farmville message I'd want to lash  
them with my mouse.

But my wife is on Facebook, and she has a lot of my real friends as faux  
friends (as I like to call them).  I find myself often learning news about  
them through her, because she can see that information as soon as they  
post it.  I also (shamefully) use her account to look at pictures one of  
my real friends/family may have posted.  So like it or not, I still  
appreciate its ability to distribute information.

When we lost power for 4 1/2 days during hurricane Irene, our local police  
department's facebook page had the most up to date information -- they  
said where the electrical crews were working, and got info straight from  
the workers instead of through the corporate "we appreciate your patience,  
we'll let you know when you have power" web page.  It was actually quite  
awesome.

So even though I dislike the whole idea of facebook, I appreciate what it  
can do.  And if I had a company, I'd most certainly create a page for it.   
I feel roughly the same about twitter.


 - Ostracization and/or contempt towards anyone/anything that fails to
 blindly embrace all trends.


I hope you know that nobody is trying to ostracize anyone for not liking  
twitter.  Likewise, we don't want to ostracize anyone for *liking* twitter.


 - Certain specific trends.


LOL

-Steve
Dec 14 2011
parent Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:
On Dec 14, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

=20
 Nobody is blindly embracing twitter.  It's an effective tool for =


announcing improvements for D -- one that many D users use (judging by =
the number of followers).

I'm not a huge fan of the current display format.  It's too narrow to =
read easily, for one.  I think I'd prefer it be more integrated like a =
blog, though the short length of the entries might look a bit weird in =
that format as well.  Not sure whether the twitter links =
(reply/retweet/etc) are of any use, but they don't hurt anything.

=20
 I personally dislike facebook (no offense Andrei), because I hate the =


whole idea of having thousands of "friends".  I have friends, they are =
real, and I know I can trust them.  That girl I went on a date with once =
in high school but never talked to since graduation is not my "friend".  =
And if one of these people sent me a farmville message I'd want to lash =
them with my mouse.

To be fair, you can use Facebook however you want to.  I have a handful =
of "friends", all of which are actual friends and family, and my profile =
is empty but for family photos I want to share with these people.  I do =
think that organization websites that one can "like" is something better =
suited to twitter, but whatever.  It's an optional feature like =
everything else.=
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 1:00 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 If D wants a twit feed and a link to it or whatever, then whatever. I just
 don't think prominent corporate branding is appropriate on the frontpage
 unless it's something directly connected (Digital Mars would be appropriate,
 for example). Any other complaints I have about social networking or
 whatever else aren't really about spreading word of D anyway, but rather
 spreading word of sensible software design.


I dismissed twitter as a meaningless fad for years (starting with the
ridiculous 
name). But a friend of mine, Roy Osherove, went to some pains to show me how 
wrong I was, and how valuable a tool twitter was. He was actually able to 
organize an impromptu "flash conference" in London in two days using nothing
but 
twitter. The conference was a big success, and I was sold.

Twitter has an endearing property - people sign up to get your tweets, so you 
are not spamming them. It used to be that a mailing list, then an email list, 
were valuable business property. Now it's the number of followers you have on 
twitter.

Since then, I have found that twitter is, hands down, the most effective way of 
reaching people interested in D and keeping them interested.

Twitter works well on small, mobile devices while email is just a giant pain on 
the small screen.

Having the twitter feed for d_programming on the home page is a nice thing so 
the "what's new" is constantly refreshed. We don't have to write any code to do 
it, or reinvent (badly) what twitter does, and it costs nothing. I don't mind
it 
saying "twitter" under the feed. We also use Google's translate widget.
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 11:48 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I didn't need any
 "d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get three such responses in under
 3 hours


C'mon, Steve, you set yourself up for that one!
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:50:20 -0500, Walter Bright  
<newshound2 digitalmars.com> wrote:


 On 12/14/2011 11:48 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I didn't need  
 any
 "d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get three such responses in  
 under
 3 hours


 C'mon, Steve, you set yourself up for that one!


Is 'Steve' some sort of derogatory term now? or are you confused :)

-S****
Dec 14 2011
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 6:56 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:50:20 -0500, Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com>
 wrote:


 On 12/14/2011 11:48 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 Also, I find it interesting that after I explicitly said I didn't need any
 "d00d ur browser iz teh old!" crusaders, I get three such responses in under
 3 hours


 C'mon, Steve, you set yourself up for that one!


 Is 'Steve' some sort of derogatory term now? or are you confused :)

 -S****


I stepped in it that time! Sorry!
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/14/11 1:23 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it


So that's different from "Drink Mountain Dew!"

Andrei
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
news:jcb1r3$2gs9$2 digitalmars.com...

 On 12/14/11 1:23 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it


 So that's different from "Drink Mountain Dew!"


Not at all. You and Walter (et al.) could go through gallons of the stuff 
(to help focus on D, stay up to work on D, etc., etc., whatever) and then 
you *would* be using it - but it *still* wouldn't be appropriate on the 
frontpage.
Dec 14 2011
parent Brad Roberts <braddr slice-2.puremagic.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Nick Sabalausky wrote:


 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
 news:jcb1r3$2gs9$2 digitalmars.com...

 On 12/14/11 1:23 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote in message
 news:jcan2h$1s6e$1 digitalmars.com...

 It's no different from sticking "Drink Mountin Dew!" up on there.


 It is very different. We're _using_ Twitter, not just advertising it.


 Yes, you're using it


 So that's different from "Drink Mountain Dew!"


 
 Not at all. You and Walter (et al.) could go through gallons of the stuff 
 (to help focus on D, stay up to work on D, etc., etc., whatever) and then 
 you *would* be using it - but it *still* wouldn't be appropriate on the 
 frontpage.


However, an awful lot of developers also use twitter as one of their 
information discovery channels.  Similar with other social networks.  That 
a subset of people don't use it and hate that it exists doesn't change the 
fact that it does exist and is heavily used and is a really effective 
channel for connecting with those community bases.

Personally, I don't use any as an output channel, I do use both twitter 
and facebook as input channels.  They're the best way for me to stay in 
touch with sets of people that use those tools as their primary / only
communication tools.  It's not my role in life to try to change their 
minds.  But given that I do want to stay in touch with them, I 
have to play the game.  Similarly, it's in our communities best interest 
to be inclusive rather than exclusive, assuming we want the community to 
grow.

My 2 cents,
Brad
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply zhaopuming <zhaopuming gmail.com> writes:
 By no means Twitter fan here, but I disagree. For Walter and myself
 Twitter is an app - a convenient means to disseminate brief
 announcements to those interested.


Something to note, twitter is blocked by the government in China , and
dlang.org home page can not be fully loaded now due to this twitface
app. So IMHO it's not necessarily convenient at least to Chinese
D'evelopers (well, it's D Developers). It's the Chinese government to
blame, but I surely hope this problem can be dealt with. After all, we
were able to load dlang.org home page before twitter is integrated!

My suggestion is to put the twitter app's javascript to the end of the
HTML so that the browser will render the main contents of the home page
first and let people see them. That will solve Nick's slow loading
problem too.
Dec 14 2011
parent reply "Jakob Ovrum" <jakobovrum gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 15 December 2011 at 02:16:29 UTC, zhaopuming wrote:

 By no means Twitter fan here, but I disagree. For Walter and 
 myself
 Twitter is an app - a convenient means to disseminate brief
 announcements to those interested.


 Something to note, twitter is blocked by the government in 
 China , and
 dlang.org home page can not be fully loaded now due to this 
 twitface
 app. So IMHO it's not necessarily convenient at least to Chinese
 D'evelopers (well, it's D Developers). It's the Chinese 
 government to
 blame, but I surely hope this problem can be dealt with. After 
 all, we
 were able to load dlang.org home page before twitter is 
 integrated!


Wouldn't the iframe solution fix this too?

By the way, another problem with the twitter feed: it looks like 
utter crap on netbooks.

http://filesmelt.com/dl/anotherproblem.png
Dec 14 2011
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 9:09 PM, Jakob Ovrum wrote:

 By the way, another problem with the twitter feed: it looks like utter crap on
 netbooks.

 http://filesmelt.com/dl/anotherproblem.png


I tried it on my ipod, and it works fine. I also tried it on my kindle eink,
and 
it works fine there, too!
Dec 14 2011
parent "Jakob Ovrum" <jakobovrum gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 15 December 2011 at 06:39:31 UTC, Walter Bright 
wrote:

 On 12/14/2011 9:09 PM, Jakob Ovrum wrote:

 By the way, another problem with the twitter feed: it looks 
 like utter crap on
 netbooks.

 http://filesmelt.com/dl/anotherproblem.png


 I tried it on my ipod, and it works fine. I also tried it on my 
 kindle eink, and it works fine there, too!


It does scale correctly, but the actual page content, the text in 
the center, is what gets compromised. I wish I could press a 
button to hide the feed to the right, leaving more space for the 
text, making it much more comfortable to read.

It's not actually a problem for me as the main page is aimed at 
beginners to D, while I make use of the other pages on the site. 
But imagine someone on a netbook hearing about D and accessing 
the site to read about it - I would most certainly want to easily 
be able to hide the sidebar if that person was me.
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent zhaopuming <zhaopuming gmail.com> writes:
 Wouldn't the iframe solution fix this too?


Yes, iframe is OK for me.
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/14/2011 9:02 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 (b/c I use FF2 with lots of crap-blocking plugins...


Geez, upgrade your browser, dude!
Dec 14 2011
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/12/11 8:13 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:44:05 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post
 the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.


 Please don't involve twitter on the newsgroups. If I wanted to follow D
 on twitter, I'd sign up for a twitter account.


The only issue is that we need to copy the same announcement to the 
group and twitter. But then announcements aren't that frequent. I wish 
announcement frequency would become a scaling issue :o).


Andrei
Dec 14 2011
parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:28:35 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu  
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 On 12/12/11 8:13 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:44:05 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu
 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 One idea for Vladimir's dfeed: it would be great to automatically post
 the tweets of D_language to digitalmars.D.announce.


 Please don't involve twitter on the newsgroups. If I wanted to follow D
 on twitter, I'd sign up for a twitter account.


 The only issue is that we need to copy the same announcement to the  
 group and twitter. But then announcements aren't that frequent. I wish  
 announcement frequency would become a scaling issue :o).


This doesn't sound like a difficult problem.  Copy and paste still works  
on my PC :)

But it seems awkward to have to trim announcements for a newsgroup to 140  
chars.

Another idea is to go the opposite direction -- repost D.announce threads  
to twitter (only the first post, not replies).  Of course, you'd have to  
limit who could make this happen to avoid abuse.  But I could see people  
being interested in some of the 3rd-party announcements that are posted to  
D.announce.

My suggestion would be a button that takes the web address of the post  
(via new dfeed site), uses some url compression, and tweets that along  
with the subject of the thread.  Then at least the "work" of tweeting  
announcements gets down to a single click for Walter or whoever has  
permission.

-Steve
Dec 14 2011