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digitalmars.D.announce - Walter's Edited DConf Talk Video -- Feedback Request

reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
I've settled on a format for the edited talks that I think works. 
To be clear, I'm not chopping these up as I do the DConf Online 
talks to remove the pauses, uhs, ahs, etc. I'm letting the whole 
thing go from beginning to end just as if it were live. What's 
different from the livestream version is the layout.

My goal is to ensure the slides are visible, while not focusing 
on them entirely, and cutting to the slide view at what seems 
like appropriate times (as opposed to the random cuts in the 
livestream).

I've uploaded the edited version of Walter's talk and left it 
unlisted. Before I make it public, I'd like to ensure there are 
no major issues with it. And let me state beforehand: by "major", 
I mean *major*.

I really, really don't want to go back into the editor with this 
unless I absolutely have to. As long as the audio can be heard, 
and the slides are legible when they need to be, then I'll be 
happy. I'm not going to do any minor touch ups or changes. I only 
want to know if it serves its purpose.

If you haven't seen Walter's talk yet (or would like to watch it 
again), please give it a look and let me know if you uncover any 
major problems:

https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8

Thanks!
Sep 07
next sibling parent bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 12:42:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 If you haven't seen Walter's talk yet (or would like to watch 
 it again), please give it a look and let me know if you uncover 
 any major problems:

 https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8

 Thanks!
Looks like high quality work. I jumped over a few topics but I saw nothing that needs to change.
Sep 07
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 9/7/22 8:42 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
 If you haven't seen Walter's talk yet (or would like to watch it again), 
 please give it a look and let me know if you uncover any major problems:
Also note that the first 3 1/2 minutes were never streamed before as the live stream started a bit late (though not much new in it). Mike you added all the highlights?! You went above and beyond there! Looks good to me! If I were to suggest something, put the dconf logo in the gray gutter, and maybe the talk title when doing the split screen. But understandable if you didn't want to go back and do that. -Steve
Sep 07
parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 14:25:44 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

 Mike you added all the highlights?! You went above and beyond 
 there!
Yes, I did. Thanks! I did the same thing for the DConf Online videos last year. Makes it easier to follow.
 Looks good to me! If I were to suggest something, put the dconf 
 logo in the gray gutter, and maybe the talk title when doing 
 the split screen. But understandable if you didn't want to go 
 back and do that.
I tried that using the same background we used in the livestream, with the logo in a different position, and with it somewhat blended into the background. I just find it too distracting. My eyes keep drifting to the logo.
Sep 07
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Dennis <dkorpel gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 12:42:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8
I suggest boosting the audio as much as you can before it starts clipping. It's currently a bit low.
Sep 07
next sibling parent Tejas <notrealemail gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 14:36:33 UTC, Dennis wrote:
 On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 12:42:35 UTC, Mike Parker 
 wrote:
 https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8
I suggest boosting the audio as much as you can before it starts clipping. It's currently a bit low.
+100 Please, better audio 🙁
Sep 07
prev sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 14:36:33 UTC, Dennis wrote:
 On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 12:42:35 UTC, Mike Parker 
 wrote:
 https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8
I suggest boosting the audio as much as you can before it starts clipping. It's currently a bit low.
Ugh. It sounds fine to me. It sounds louder to me locally than on YouTube, but it doesn't sound bad to me there either. I already boosted the volume just below the clipping range. I'll see what I can do with the additional settings in the audio editor.
Sep 07
prev sibling parent reply matheus. <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 7 September 2022 at 12:42:35 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 ...
Well thanks for trying but I think the main problem remains, as I pointed in here: https://forum.dlang.org/post/zkfmlbzmxlrqwnugrdid forum.dlang.org I usually watch videos at work (During interval) using my personal phone/internet, and watching as (https://imgur.com/1LeGPRd) two small texts of the same thing with visual impairment is tough. My tip is for the next DConf, people in charge of recording should watch all the previous Conferences and take what went right (The conference at facebook was well done), because this was new to me, usually when the slide is *NOT* presented on the screen they show it in full for a few seconds or when the presenter is explaining, this way was very weird and the first time I see this. As for the sound, I have no complaints. Matheus.
Sep 08
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 10:19:00 UTC, matheus. wrote:

 I usually watch videos at work (During interval) using my 
 personal phone/internet, and watching as 
 (https://imgur.com/1LeGPRd) two small texts of the same thing 
 with visual impairment is tough.
The edited version is still too small? It's only slightly scaled down from full size, and larger than it was in the livestream. I don't have access to the video stream of the slides, so I had to export Walter's PDF to JPEG. They all came out square, and I scaled down only 15% in the video.
 My tip is for the next DConf, people in charge of recording 
 should watch all the previous Conferences and take what went 
 right (The conference at facebook was well done), because this 
 was new to me, usually when the slide is *NOT* presented on the 
 screen they show it in full for a few seconds or when the 
 presenter is explaining, this way was very weird and the first 
 time I see this.
Are you still talking about the edited version? I tried to time showing the slides when he's actually talking about them, and for the code snippets I highlighted the lines he's referring to. I didn't like the random switching in the livestream (which is what the recorded version is), which is why I decided to edit.
 As for the sound, I have no complaints.

 Matheus.
Sep 08
next sibling parent reply matheus. <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 10:40:41 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 Are you still talking about the edited version?
Hi Mike, yes through this URL: https://youtu.be/iuP-AWUyjp8 I watched the first minutes because I'm at work, but I saw the same thing as before, I'll take a picture later to show the problem if needed, I just can't do it now because I'm at work.
 ... I didn't like the random switching in the livestream (which 
 is what the recorded version is), which is why I decided to 
 edit.
I don't like either, and in DConf it wasn't even needed to to that since the slides was already fully visible through the video, my problem was the size when in split screen mode with 2 small texts while watching on my phone (Which is watch I use mostly), and with vision impairment it's tough. By the way, is there any recorded version with that same camera from far behind without any edition (ie: split screen)? Thanks, Matheus.
Sep 08
parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 14:57:48 UTC, matheus. wrote:
 On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 10:40:41 UTC, Mike Parker 
 wrote:
 Are you still talking about the edited version?
 ... I didn't like the random switching in the livestream 
 (which is what the recorded version is), which is why I 
 decided to edit.
I don't like either, and in DConf it wasn't even needed to to that since the slides was already fully visible through the video, my problem was the size when in split screen mode with 2 small texts while watching on my phone (Which is watch I use mostly), and with vision impairment it's tough.
Okay. I thought that by cutting to the split view in my edits, I was making the slide more legible. I actually had you in mind when I did it. It looks bigger and clearer to me than what is head on in the raw video footage, and definitely bigger than what they did in the livestream. Sorry it's less legible for you.
 By the way, is there any recorded version with that same camera 
 from far behind without any edition (ie: split screen)?
Yes. I can make that available to you. Email me (aldacron gmail.com) and I'll set you up. The slides for John Colvin's video are 16:9, so I'm not doing the picture-in-picture thing for them. Most of them are pretty big in the raw video, but I'm showing a full screen view of each slide anyway for varying periods of time based on what he's saying. I hope this one turns out better for you.
Sep 08
parent matheus. <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 17:34:53 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
 ... Sorry it's less legible for you.
Hi Mike, in any case I'd like to say thank you very much for your work and trying to help me, I really appreciated all your effort and time.
 Yes. I can make that available to you. Email me 
 (aldacron gmail.com) and I'll set you up.
I'll do that this weekend.
 The slides for John Colvin's video are 16:9, so I'm not doing 
 the picture-in-picture thing for them. Most of them are pretty 
 big in the raw video, but I'm showing a full screen view of 
 each slide anyway for varying periods of time based on what 
 he's saying. I hope this one turns out better for you.
Since I'm foreigner I may sound a bit rough in my comments, but I really appreciated your help. Thanks again, Matheus.
Sep 08
prev sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 9/8/22 6:40 AM, Mike Parker wrote:
 On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 10:19:00 UTC, matheus. wrote:
 My tip is for the next DConf, people in charge of recording should 
 watch all the previous Conferences and take what went right (The 
 conference at facebook was well done), because this was new to me, 
 usually when the slide is *NOT* presented on the screen they show it 
 in full for a few seconds or when the presenter is explaining, this 
 way was very weird and the first time I see this.
Are you still talking about the edited version? I tried to time showing the slides when he's actually talking about them, and for the code snippets I highlighted the lines he's referring to. I didn't like the random switching in the livestream (which is what the recorded version is), which is why I decided to edit.
I agree that the Facebook conference was very well done, they had cameras and camera operators everywhere. But in general, I think a video stream of the screenshare, a stream of the person talking (and only that), a stream of the whole stage, and if possible, video streams of each questioner would be a great raw source to start with. I've seen other conference streams where the image of the speaker is very narrow, and therefore they can consume most of the screen with the slides. I think that's ideal. -Steve
Sep 08
next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 9/8/22 08:02, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 I've seen other conference streams where the image of the speaker is
 very narrow, and therefore they can consume most of the screen with the
 slides. I think that's ideal.

 -Steve
I agree that the slides should take more room. The speaker can get more space at the start, at the end, and occasionally as he/she is not talking directly on any slide. Other than that, I think Mike is overdoing a great work! ;) Ali
Sep 08
parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 9/8/22 11:34 AM, Ali Çehreli wrote:
 I agree that the slides should take more room. The speaker can get more 
 space at the start, at the end, and occasionally as he/she is not 
 talking directly on any slide.
 
 Other than that, I think Mike is overdoing a great work! ;)
Agreed! None of this takes away from the job that Mike is doing with the raw footage he already has. I'm just mentioning this for future conferences. -Steve
Sep 08
prev sibling next sibling parent matheus. <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 15:02:47 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:
 I've seen other conference streams where the image of the 
 speaker is very narrow, and therefore they can consume most of 
 the screen with the slides. I think that's ideal.
I don't disagree with the slides on the screen, my problem was when showing this way: https://imgur.com/1LeGPRd , for example I was reading the slide normally live until the screen would split and now 2 tiny texts (Remembering: For me watching on the phone with vision impairment it was tough), and still is since I do it mostly on phone while I'm doing interval at work. I think one or another should be used, but the original video was enough/readable as is (At least for me) without that split. Matheus.
Sep 08
prev sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 15:02:47 UTC, Steven 
Schveighoffer wrote:

 I've seen other conference streams where the image of the 
 speaker is very narrow, and therefore they can consume most of 
 the screen with the slides. I think that's ideal.
Picture-in-picture has been requested many times in the past, with different examples given. This format you mention has come up several times. Next year, I'll ask ahead of time if we can arrange something like that.
Sep 08