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reply "Jesse Phillips" <Jesse.K.Phillips+D gmail.com> writes:
Please cast your vote for std.uni at:
http://forum.dlang.org/post/zczqphzzqnxvjfllehzg forum.dlang.org
May 19 2013
parent reply "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 06:19:29 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Please cast your vote for std.uni at:
 http://forum.dlang.org/post/zczqphzzqnxvjfllehzg forum.dlang.org
Overall it looks great. I have one question l is it possible to build tries at runtime using CTFE ? Anyway, as long as this is implementable, this have my vote. Second thing, it is probably too late, but let's ask anyway. Is that possible to rename the thing as std.unicode ?
May 20 2013
next sibling parent reply Dmitry Olshansky <dmitry.olsh gmail.com> writes:
20-May-2013 12:15, deadalnix пишет:
 On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 06:19:29 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Please cast your vote for std.uni at:
 http://forum.dlang.org/post/zczqphzzqnxvjfllehzg forum.dlang.org
Overall it looks great. I have one question l is it possible to build tries at runtime using CTFE ?
At compile-time? The short answer is it should be possible but not quite yet. The long answer is: enum myA = unicode.alphabetic.toTrie!4; --- Error: CTFE internal error: unsupported assignment this = p uni.d(1841): called from here: this.data.opAssign((Uint24Array!(GcPolicy) __ctmp6762 = 0; , __ctmp6762).this(flattened)) uni.d(6742): called from here: (InversionList!(GcPolicy) __ctmp6477 = 0; , __ctmp6477).this(decompressIntervals(compressed)) --- So I forgot to reduce a bug it seems (or maybe I filed it). Another reason is that will be quite slow to compile (in the current setting). That's why all of tables in new std.uni were precomputed by constructing at run-time and serializing to source. This is actualy one of things I'd love to push as a separate feature Phobos-wide: serialization of objects to CTFE-able/mixin-able source code. Some of these done in std.uni weren't clean enough to fit into a public interface.
 Anyway, as long as this is implementable,
 this have my vote.

 Second thing, it is probably too late, but let's ask anyway. Is that
 possible to rename the thing as std.unicode ?
I dunno. Technically I see no problem with std.unicode except that we have to patch old code and some ~1.5 year of painfully slow deprecation and for what? If the chief benefit of renaming is aesthetics then I'd rather pass. If we make it as part of restructuring of std.* that is long overdue then I'm fine but it's a discussion in its own. We should probably split the discussion-while-voting in a separate thread in D.d. -- Dmitry Olshansky
May 20 2013
parent reply "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 17:19:34 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
 20-May-2013 12:15, deadalnix пишет:
 On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 06:19:29 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Please cast your vote for std.uni at:
 http://forum.dlang.org/post/zczqphzzqnxvjfllehzg forum.dlang.org
Overall it looks great. I have one question l is it possible to build tries at runtime using CTFE ?
At compile-time? The short answer is it should be possible but not quite yet. The long answer is: enum myA = unicode.alphabetic.toTrie!4;
As long as it is doable, that sound good to me.
 Another reason is that will be quite slow to compile (in the 
 current setting). That's why all of tables in new std.uni were 
 precomputed by constructing at run-time and serializing to 
 source.
I understand. To me a caching compiler is the solution here, but that is kind of off topic.
 I dunno. Technically I see no problem with std.unicode except 
 that we
 have to patch old code and some ~1.5 year of painfully slow 
 deprecation and for what? If the chief benefit of renaming is 
 aesthetics then I'd rather pass. If we make it as part of 
 restructuring of std.* that is long overdue then I'm fine but 
 it's a discussion in its own.

 We should probably split the discussion-while-voting in a 
 separate thread in D.d.
The problem wth that kind of naming convention is that names do not convey as much meaning. This can be an issue as the library get larger and larger, because you got to remember every single name and can't rely too much on autocompletion. uni can be unicode, but also unique, union, unit, uniform, unix, unijambist, whatever.
May 20 2013
parent reply "eles" <eles eles.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 01:25:54 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 17:19:34 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
 20-May-2013 12:15, deadalnix пишет:
uni can be unicode, but also unique, union, unit, uniform, unix, unijambist, whatever.
I support renaming to std.unicode; In the long run, std.uni is just unexpressive.
May 20 2013
parent captaindet <2krnk gmx.net> writes:
On 2013-05-20 22:58, eles wrote:
 On Tuesday, 21 May 2013 at 01:25:54 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 17:19:34 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
 20-May-2013 12:15, deadalnix пишет:
uni can be unicode, but also unique, union, unit, uniform, unix, unijambist, whatever.
I support renaming to std.unicode; In the long run, std.uni is just unexpressive.
+1
May 21 2013
prev sibling parent "Jesse Phillips" <Jessekphillips+D gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 08:15:48 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 On Monday, 20 May 2013 at 06:19:29 UTC, Jesse Phillips wrote:
 Please cast your vote for std.uni at:
 http://forum.dlang.org/post/zczqphzzqnxvjfllehzg forum.dlang.org
Overall it looks great. I have one question l is it possible to build tries at runtime using CTFE ? Anyway, as long as this is implementable, this have my vote. Second thing, it is probably too late, but let's ask anyway. Is that possible to rename the thing as std.unicode ?
Please place this in the vote thread, or it will not be counted when I get to tallying.
May 20 2013