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reply "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
Hi guys,

I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers 
with D Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for 
those who may be a little lost like me when I started.

It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.

Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

I really hope you enjoy.
Feb 08 2012
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:nahgizjzffezfswqwpms dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D 
 Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for those who may be 
 a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


Link to the actual PDF itself? Google's viewer is the only PDF reader on the 
planet that actually manages to be worse than Adobe's reader.
Feb 08 2012
parent reply "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 16:38:53 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
wrote:

 "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> wrote in message 
 news:nahgizjzffezfswqwpms dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers 
 with D Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction 
 for those who may be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link 
 bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


 Link to the actual PDF itself? Google's viewer is the only PDF 
 reader on the planet that actually manages to be worse than 
 Adobe's reader.


Hi,

You can download the ORIGINAL PDF FILE clicking on "File" button 
(Top-Left) and then "Download Original" and save in your PC.

Matheus.
Feb 08 2012
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eesnpdwzqvxvoyhzurxq dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...

 On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 16:38:53 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:

 "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> wrote in message 
 news:nahgizjzffezfswqwpms dfeed.kimsufi.thecybershadow.net...

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D 
 Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for those who may 
 be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


 Link to the actual PDF itself? Google's viewer is the only PDF reader on 
 the planet that actually manages to be worse than Adobe's reader.


 Hi,

 You can download the ORIGINAL PDF FILE clicking on "File" button 
 (Top-Left) and then "Download Original" and save in your PC.

 Matheus.


That relies on actually using Google's broken-ass "software", and getting 
the worthless thing to even work in the first place:

http://www.semitwist.com/download/img/shots/GoogleDocs.png

Yea, I could go jumping through all their moronic hoops, but what's wrong 
with *standard* links/URLs? I don't understand why Google insists on waging 
their war against normal sensible <a> links and everything intelligent, but 
there's no reason to encourage it.

Bottom line, Google has their heads firmly up their asses, and even if they 
didn't: it makes no sense to force people to use Google's *cough* "software" 
just to access a basic URL. I don't go forcing people to use FoxIt reader 
just to **access** PDFs I link to.
Feb 08 2012
parent reply Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com> writes:
2012/2/8 Nick Sabalausky a a.a


 That relies on actually using Google's broken-ass "software", and getting
 the worthless thing to even work in the first place:

 http://www.semitwist.com/download/img/shots/GoogleDocs.png


Oh!  You are getting that because your browser isn't supporting modern web
features.  :)

It's wonderful that, in these days, your browser can be nearly anything --
a PDF-viewer, image-editor, music player, etc.  A browser is just like the
Thneed in The Lorax (by Dr. Seuss) -- it can be anything that you need!
Feb 08 2012
parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Jimmy Cao" <jcao219 gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.137.1328735873.20196.digitalmars-d-announce puremagic.com...

 2012/2/8 Nick Sabalausky a a.a


 That relies on actually using Google's broken-ass "software", and getting
 the worthless thing to even work in the first place:

 http://www.semitwist.com/download/img/shots/GoogleDocs.png


 Oh!  You are getting that because your browser isn't supporting modern web
 features.  :)


It supports <a> links, which Google apperently doesn't support. (Hell, they 
think they own the web and can define the web to be whatever the fuck they 
feel like.)


 It's disturbing that, in these days, your browser can be a crappy version
 of nearly anything -- a crappy PDF-viewer, a god-awful image-editor,
 a junk music player, etc.


Fixed ;)
Feb 08 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Yao Gomez" <yao.gomez gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 15:32:42 UTC, MattCodr wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers 
 with D Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction 
 for those who may be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link 
 bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


Looks nice. Congratulations. And don't get discouraged by the 
off-topic talk about browsers. It's part of the fun on this News 
Group.

My suggestion is that you should specify that your guide is about 
tools an configuring those tools. Because just looking at the 
title "Starting Guide for Beginners", it gave me the impression 
that it was some tutorial about the language. Or do you plan to 
expand more the guide and include more info about D and/or Phobos?

Anyways, good luck.
Feb 08 2012
next sibling parent "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 22:26:15 UTC, Yao Gomez wrote:

 On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 15:32:42 UTC, MattCodr wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers 
 with D Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction 
 for those who may be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link 
 bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


 Looks nice. Congratulations. And don't get discouraged by the 
 off-topic talk about browsers. It's part of the fun on this 
 News Group.

 My suggestion is that you should specify that your guide is 
 about tools an configuring those tools. Because just looking at 
 the title "Starting Guide for Beginners", it gave me the 
 impression that it was some tutorial about the language. Or do 
 you plan to expand more the guide and include more info about D 
 and/or Phobos?

 Anyways, good luck.


No problem about the OT.

Well I know, the guide is really mostly about tools and not the 
language itself, I was thinking about increment it with more 
things about D, which I'll do after I finish my game port to D.
Feb 08 2012
prev sibling parent reply Manfred Nowak <svv1999 hotmail.com> writes:
Yao Gomez wrote:


 My suggestion is that you should specify that your guide is about 
 tools an configuring those tools.


Looks like for the author (and many others) the IDE represents the 
language and the compiler is a tool for the IDE.

-manfred
Feb 08 2012
parent "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 8 February 2012 at 23:01:56 UTC, Manfred Nowak 
wrote:

 Yao Gomez wrote:


 My suggestion is that you should specify that your guide is 
 about tools an configuring those tools.


 Looks like for the author (and many others) the IDE represents 
 the language and the compiler is a tool for the IDE.

 -manfred


No way pal, IDE for me is just a tool, and I refer to a IDE 
constantly because I like the productivity that it provides when 
I need dealing with a huge project it's resources for example.

You can write a code inside a simple text editor without any 
resouces except OPEN & SAVE. But I really prefer using a text 
editor with syntax highlight instead.

Matheus.
Feb 08 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
I did my first revision on the tutorial and I changed a few 
things,

Renamed as: "Part 1: Installing D + Vim configuration over 
Windows."

Added a link to the Ali's D tutorial.

I think this will make more sense now. Remembering that my 
intention with this tutorial is to facilitate the entry of new 
users in the D world.

I hope add more parts later after I finish my game port, which is 
under research.
Feb 08 2012
parent Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com> writes:
2012/2/8 MattCodr <matheus_nab hotmail.com>


 I did my first revision on the tutorial and I changed a few things,

 Renamed as: "Part 1: Installing D + Vim configuration over Windows."

 Added a link to the Ali's D tutorial.

 I think this will make more sense now. Remembering that my intention with
 this tutorial is to facilitate the entry of new users in the D world.

 I hope add more parts later after I finish my game port, which is under
 research.



Here's an incomplete tutorial that I've worked on:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/D_(The_Programming_Language)

Writing D tutorials is sorta fun.
Feb 08 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 2/8/2012 7:32 AM, MattCodr wrote:

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D Language.


Thanks for doing this.
Feb 08 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
Le 08/02/2012 16:32, MattCodr a écrit :

 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D
 Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for those who may
 be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


I wish I had this when I begun. My first usage of D implyed a 
compilation of ldc, then gdc (the only one that worked at the time on my 
plateform) and patching phobos by myself (reminder, it was the first 
time I used that language, not to mention it was pretty harsh and I 
think most people would have quit at this point). It was few years ago, 
and thing got better since.

But I'm convienced that D isn't accesible enough for beginers. So this 
document is very welcome !
Feb 09 2012
parent James Miller <james aatch.net> writes:
 I wish I had this when I begun. My first usage of D implyed a compilation of
 ldc, then gdc (the only one that worked at the time on my plateform) and
 patching phobos by myself (reminder, it was the first time I used that
 language, not to mention it was pretty harsh and I think most people would
 have quit at this point). It was few years ago, and thing got better since.

 But I'm convienced that D isn't accesible enough for beginers. So this
 document is very welcome !


I agree, D is not that accessible to beginners, partially due to the
rapidly changing nature of the language and technology. I found it
difficult to start when every library I encountered was broken, either
because it hadn't been ported to D2, or used libraries that were
broken for some reason.

Hopefully once the language and compiler specs settle down a lot more,
we can start work on making things easier overall. I for one would
love to see a clang-style autocompleter for D, compiler packages for
the major OSes/distributions that work with 99% of the D code out
there, some sort of simple project-finder so we can find libraries
easily, etc, etc.

Also, more documentation, not the kind of documentation we have now,
which is really good, but requires a certain amount of knowledge to
start with, but closer to "Learn how to program, with D". Personally I
think D would be a brilliant language to teach with, it has decent OO,
is compile-time checked, has pointers, but you often don't need them,

more complex constructs. You can start out with "this is a variable"
go through "these are pointers" and end with "this is
meta-programming".
Feb 09 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
Well, a friend of mine helped me with some translate errors. So, 
I uploaded a new version of the first guide. (Same link)

I am already writing the second part, which I think will be more 
interesting. I'll talk about "makefile", "modules" and... hmm let 
the rest as "surprise", all I can say it will be a new direction 
for the guide that is aimed to the newbies. :D

Thanks,

Matheus.
Feb 10 2012
prev sibling parent reply teo <teo.ubuntu yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:32:41 +0100, MattCodr wrote:


 Hi guys,
 
 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D
 Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for those who may
 be a little lost like me when I started.
 
 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.
 
 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO
 
 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.
 
 I really hope you enjoy.


Clicking on the link gives me: "Your browser must support javascript."
I wanted to download and read the document and I definitely do not need 
their javascript...
Feb 11 2012
next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"teo" <teo.ubuntu yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:jh6dtc$1vv4$1 digitalmars.com...

 On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:32:41 +0100, MattCodr wrote:


 Hi guys,

 I decided to wrote a starting guide for newbies and newcomers with D
 Language. It's a really simple and basic introduction for those who may
 be a little lost like me when I started.

 It's a PDF file format and can be seen accessing the link bellow.

 Link: http://goo.gl/GkAYO

 Any problems or mistakes please let me know.

 I really hope you enjoy.


 Clicking on the link gives me: "Your browser must support javascript."
 I wanted to download and read the document and I definitely do not need
 their javascript...


See everyone, it's not just me ;)
Feb 11 2012
prev sibling parent reply "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 February 2012 at 19:01:00 UTC, teo wrote:

 Clicking on the link gives me: "Your browser must support 
 javascript."
 I wanted to download and read the document and I definitely do 
 not need their javascript...


Well, you may send me an e-mail asking about the guide and I'll 
answer you back with it.

PS: Someone could tell me a nice place to upload the next guide?

Matheus.
Feb 11 2012
parent reply Jimmy Cao <jcao219 gmail.com> writes:
2012/2/11 MattCodr <matheus_nab hotmail.com>


 On Saturday, 11 February 2012 at 19:01:00 UTC, teo wrote:


 Clicking on the link gives me: "Your browser must support javascript."
 I wanted to download and read the document and I definitely do not need
 their javascript...


 Well, you may send me an e-mail asking about the guide and I'll answer you
 back with it.

 PS: Someone could tell me a nice place to upload the next guide?

 Matheus.


Perhaps Dropbox or Mediafire.

Here's a mediafire link to your guide:

http://www.mediafire.com/?4sv8wurnvp7k26p

In any case, Google Docs is a fine choice for hosting documents.  I'm quite
surprised that Javascript-avoiders exist, seeing that Javascript + html5 is
the hallmark of modern web technologies and the web is, well, just about
everything.
Feb 11 2012
next sibling parent reply "MattCodr" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 11 February 2012 at 23:53:15 UTC, Jimmy Cao wrote:


 Perhaps Dropbox or Mediafire.


Yes, I thought about dropbox, but if I'm right, the file is 
deleted after 30 days of inativity. So I decided chose google 
docs because there is no limit and I can upgrade anytime without 
changing the link.



 Here's a mediafire link to your guide:

 http://www.mediafire.com/?4sv8wurnvp7k26p


Thanks for doing that!

Matheus.
Feb 11 2012
parent =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 02/11/2012 04:57 PM, MattCodr wrote:


 I decided chose google docs because there
 is no limit and I can upgrade anytime without changing the link.


You can also put the pdf where you host the project. That's what 
Philippe Sigaud does with his D Templates Tutorial:

 
https://github.com/PhilippeSigaud/D-templates-tutorial/blob/master/dtemplates.pdf

Ali
Feb 11 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Jimmy Cao:


 seeing that Javascript + html5 is the hallmark of modern web
 technologies and the web is, well, just about everything.


Among the original purposes of HTML there are usability and graceful
degradation; while helping the tracking of users was not among those most
important original purposes. JavaScript, Flash and Silverlight when used
inappropriately miss those basic purposes. Asking for a link to work even
without JS doesn't mean refusing the God of Web, it means not forgetting what's
important.

Bye,
bearophile
Feb 11 2012
prev sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Jimmy Cao" <jcao219 gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.252.1329004394.20196.digitalmars-d-announce puremagic.com...

 the web is, well, just about everything bad about technology.


Fixed.
Feb 12 2012