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digitalmars.D.announce - DConf 2020 Canceled

reply Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of caution, 
the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments have agreed to 
cancel DConf 2020.

Though it's possible that things will have cleared up by June, we 
can't be sure that will be the case. We don't want to put members 
of the D community at risk if things are not cleared up, or risk 
travel disruptions for those who do register and make travel 
plans. We decided it's better to cancel earlier rather than later 
to minimize the number of people who will need to cancel or 
rebook their travel arrangements.

Personally, I was really looking forward to heading to London and 
seeing everyone again, but I do agree with the decision. We hope 
not many of you will be impacted by the decision and we're 
terribly sorry if you are.
Mar 07 2020
next sibling parent reply Ernesto Castellotti <erny.castell gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.

 Though it's possible that things will have cleared up by June, 
 we can't be sure that will be the case. We don't want to put 
 members of the D community at risk if things are not cleared 
 up, or risk travel disruptions for those who do register and 
 make travel plans. We decided it's better to cancel earlier 
 rather than later to minimize the number of people who will 
 need to cancel or rebook their travel arrangements.

 Personally, I was really looking forward to heading to London 
 and seeing everyone again, but I do agree with the decision. We 
 hope not many of you will be impacted by the decision and we're 
 terribly sorry if you are.


Right choice, prevention is better than cure!
Of course I am sad for the cancellation of the DConf, but 
unfortunately it could not have been done differently.
I hope it can be rescheduled after the end of this terrible 
emergency.


Greetings from Italy!
Ernesto
Mar 07 2020
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/7/2020 1:13 PM, Ernesto Castellotti wrote:

 Right choice, prevention is better than cure!
 Of course I am sad for the cancellation of the DConf, but unfortunately it
could 
 not have been done differently.
 I hope it can be rescheduled after the end of this terrible emergency.


I'm pretty upset about it, I was really looking forward to it. But we really
had 
no choice.

Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is imminent :-)
Mar 07 2020
parent reply Murilo <murilomiranda92 hotmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 8 March 2020 at 03:14:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/7/2020 1:13 PM, Ernesto Castellotti wrote:
 Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is 
 imminent :-)



What about rescheduling it for later this year? I'd suggest 
September(summer).
Mar 07 2020
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/7/2020 9:36 PM, Murilo wrote:

 What about rescheduling it for later this year? I'd suggest September(summer).


The coronavirus plague could easily last for a year.
Mar 08 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Adam D. Ruppe <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat room, 
livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.
Mar 07 2020
next sibling parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 3/7/20 1:58 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat room, 
 livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.


That's what I been thinking as well. It looks like we are forced into 
trying out a live conference this year.

Ali
Mar 07 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply matheus <matheus gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat 
 room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.


In fact this is something I'd like to see here, and I even 
proposed the same thing before.

You see threads with +50, +100 posts and then nothing fruitful 
coming, or like the String Interpolation  Thread which was 
rejected after days of talking.

Why not go for fast environment like online meeting with webcam? 
Why wait a year for DConf instead of doing online meeting at 
least one time a month?

Where I work for two years now, some of us like myself can work 
remotely and in any problem or discuss projects, we gather online.

By the way, having everything written is OK, but in process of 
gathering ideas, this community should for online debate.

Matheus.
Mar 07 2020
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/7/2020 2:49 PM, matheus wrote:

 On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat room, livestream, 
 blog, you know stuff like that.


 
 In fact this is something I'd like to see here, and I even proposed the same 
 thing before.
 
 You see threads with +50, +100 posts and then nothing fruitful coming, or like 
 the String Interpolation  Thread which was rejected after days of talking.
 
 Why not go for fast environment like online meeting with webcam? Why wait a
year 
 for DConf instead of doing online meeting at least one time a month?
 
 Where I work for two years now, some of us like myself can work remotely and
in 
 any problem or discuss projects, we gather online.
 
 By the way, having everything written is OK, but in process of gathering
ideas, 
 this community should for online debate.
 
 Matheus.


There's just nothing like an in-person meeting, and hefting a pint with friends 
and colleagues that makes our differences melt away.
Mar 07 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat 
 room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.


I'd like to see this happen. Hopefully it would work out better 
than the recent Emacs conference. I tried to watch a few of the 
presentations, but it was mostly me sitting in front of my 
computer watching them work through technical issues.
Mar 07 2020
prev sibling parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat 
 room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.


As has already been echoed in prior messages, I too am sad but 
not surprised by this announcement, particularly as every other 
tech conference or meeting has been met by the similar fates over 
the last few weeks.

If running Dconf as an online operation is of interest to any of 
the organizers, take a look at how LibrePlanet2020 is running 
their shop.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-day-1-can-free-software-carry-an-entire-online-conference-yes-it-can
Mar 16 2020
parent reply SashaGreat <s g.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 08:28:21 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 21:58:06 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:

 Let's do a little online thing instead! We could do a chat 
 room, livestream, blog, you know stuff like that.


 As has already been echoed in prior messages, I too am sad but 
 not surprised by this announcement, particularly as every other 
 tech conference or meeting has been met by the similar fates 
 over the last few weeks.

 If running Dconf as an online operation is of interest to any 
 of the organizers, take a look at how LibrePlanet2020 is 
 running their shop.

 https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/libreplanet-day-1-can-free-software-carry-an-entire-online-conference-yes-it-can


First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other 
hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for 
what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for 
him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING.

I came to this conclusion after seeing his responses in this 
thread, like:


 I'm pretty upset about it, I was really looking forward to it. 
 But we really had no choice.


Well we have a choice, online meeting.


 Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is 
 imminent :-)


I know it's a sarcasm, but by this response he prefer to put 
people's life in risk instead of trying an online version and see 
how it goes.


 There's just nothing like an in-person meeting, and hefting a 
 pint with friends and colleagues that makes our differences 
 melt away.


Of course, but in this case an online version would be better 
than nothing.

In the end Walter could have said let's try something online and 
see how it works, but there were no incentive, and this is 
strange in the period of time where meeting online is pretty 
standard and cheaper for many of us.

Sasha.
Mar 16 2020
next sibling parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote:


 First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other 
 hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for 
 what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for 
 him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING.


Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own 
participation. Anybody can organize an online conference without 
Walter. (Setting aside issues with your interpretation of what he 
wrote.)
Mar 16 2020
parent reply SashaGreat <s g.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:36:02 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote:


 First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other 
 hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because 
 for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and 
 for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING.


 Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own 
 participation. Anybody can organize an online conference 
 without Walter.


Of course, but I really think that if the heads of organization 
shown some appreciations and their incentives would help this 
idea to fly.


 (Setting aside issues with your interpretation of what he 
 wrote.)


I think Walter can speak for himself and don't need any 
"advocates" in his behalf, and don't diminish my way of 
interpreting things.

Finally It's pretty clear in this thread that Walter never stood 
or said anything in favor of online conference.

Sasha.
Mar 16 2020
parent reply bachmeier <no spam.net> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:59:44 UTC, SashaGreat wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 13:36:02 UTC, bachmeier wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote:


 First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the 
 other hand I don't think this will fly in this community, 
 because for what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the 
 past and for him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING.


 Walter's opinion is irrelevant to anything beyond his own 
 participation. Anybody can organize an online conference 
 without Walter.


 Of course, but I really think that if the heads of organization 
 shown some appreciations and their incentives would help this 
 idea to fly.


"Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There 
haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said 
anything one way or the other about doing something online.
Mar 16 2020
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't been any 
 detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way or the other about 
 doing something online.


Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up and 
take charge of it has my support.
Mar 16 2020
next sibling parent reply Atila Neves <atila.neves gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There 
 haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said 
 anything one way or the other about doing something online.


 Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who 
 wants to step up and take charge of it has my support.


Same here.
Mar 16 2020
parent reply Les De Ridder <les lesderid.net> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:58:20 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There 
 haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said 
 anything one way or the other about doing something online.


 Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my 
 support.


 Same here.


We could use Jitsi[1]. It's video conferencing software that 
works on
all common platforms (including browser through WebRTC), and 
supports
screen sharing/presentations, it has a recording feature, and it 
also
has text chat and moderation features.

[1] https://jitsi.org/
Mar 16 2020
parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 3/16/20 4:04 PM, Les De Ridder wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:58:20 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There haven't 
 been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said anything one way 
 or the other about doing something online.


 Anyone who wants to step up and take charge of it has my support.


 Same here.


 
 We could use Jitsi[1]. It's video conferencing software that works on
 all common platforms (including browser through WebRTC), and supports
 screen sharing/presentations, it has a recording feature, and it also
 has text chat and moderation features.
 
 [1] https://jitsi.org/
 


I think I can say that the issues facing us for having an online 
conference aren't of a technical nature. There are tons of solutions we 
can look at, many of them free.

What we really need is someone who can organize the thing.

I'd definitely be down for attending and/or presenting, but probably not 
organizing.

I will say this, I think we should at LEAST have a hackathon on a 
Saturday as planned, and just set up a discord server for communication 
or use slack (does slack support audio channels?).

-Steve
Mar 16 2020
parent reply SashaGreat <s g.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:56:41 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:

 ...and just set up a discord server for communication or use 
 slack (does slack support audio channels?).


Please if this happen, let's choose free (Open Source) tools and 
preferably without need of any installation.

Sasha.
Mar 16 2020
parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy gmail.com> writes:
On 3/16/20 5:00 PM, SashaGreat wrote:

 On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:56:41 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 ...and just set up a discord server for communication or use slack 
 (does slack support audio channels?).


 
 Please if this happen, let's choose free (Open Source) tools and 
 preferably without need of any installation.


Both slack and discord are accessible via web without installation. At 
least on discord, the audio channels are there too.

-Steve
Mar 16 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent SashaGreat <s g.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There 
 haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said 
 anything one way or the other about doing something online.


 Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who 
 wants to step up and take charge of it has my support.


This is nice to hear.

Sasha.
Mar 16 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Mike Parker <aldacron gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 19:36:20 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 3/16/2020 9:15 AM, bachmeier wrote:

 "Have an online conference" isn't especially helpful. There 
 haven't been any detailed proposals, and Walter hasn't said 
 anything one way or the other about doing something online.


 Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who 
 wants to step up and take charge of it has my support.


Working on it. A few people have contacted me with offers of 
advice and support. Should have something to announce in a few 
weeks.
Mar 16 2020
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/16/2020 12:36 PM, Walter Bright wrote:

 Oh, I'm quite in favor of an online conference. Anyone who wants to step up
and 
 take charge of it has my support.


Everyone, I've started a new thread for an online DConf. Please post there 
instead of here. Thanks!
Mar 16 2020
prev sibling parent reply Murilo <murilomiranda92 hotmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 11:43:58 UTC, SashaGreat wrote:

 First I totally agree with Online Conference, but on the other 
 hand I don't think this will fly in this community, because for 
 what I see unfortunately Walter is trapped in the past and for 
 him it's: in-person meeting or NOTHING.

 I came to this conclusion after seeing his responses in this 
 thread, like:


 I'm pretty upset about it, I was really looking forward to it. 
 But we really had no choice.


 Well we have a choice, online meeting.


 Next year, we're going to have it even if a meteor strike is 
 imminent :-)


 I know it's a sarcasm, but by this response he prefer to put 
 people's life in risk instead of trying an online version and 
 see how it goes.


 There's just nothing like an in-person meeting, and hefting a 
 pint with friends and colleagues that makes our differences 
 melt away.


 Of course, but in this case an online version would be better 
 than nothing.

 In the end Walter could have said let's try something online 
 and see how it works, but there were no incentive, and this is 
 strange in the period of time where meeting online is pretty 
 standard and cheaper for many of us.

 Sasha.


That was such an ignorant interpretation, Sasha, you're simply 
accusing the guy of being this and that just because he didn't 
use the words you'd like. Grow up please.
Mar 16 2020
parent SashaGreat <s g.com> writes:
On Monday, 16 March 2020 at 20:00:46 UTC, Murilo wrote:

 That was such an ignorant interpretation, Sasha, you're simply 
 accusing the guy of being this and that just because he didn't 
 use the words you'd like. Grow up please.


As I wrote before, let Walter answer for himself. I'm not 
accusing anyone, I just wrote over what I read and interesting 
enough, now Walter said he's in favor of an online meeting.

Please shut up.

Sasha.
Mar 16 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Era Scarecrow <rtcvb32 yahoo.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.


  From what i've researched, it's more or less the flu... a 
somewhat more contagious, over-hyped, genetically modified, 
potentially respiratory infection cold/flu; And likely a tool by 
government(s) to force unwanted policies down our throats like 
Martial Law, restriction of travel, Mandatory Vaccines and/or 
micro-chipping. As well as the government had it since 2015 in 
certain labs thus more than likely there's already a vaccine.

  Lots of details on the matter. Unfortunate for DConf to be 
cancelled. But whatever is considered safest and best for 
everyone involved.
Mar 07 2020
next sibling parent Paolo Invernizzi <paolo.invernizzi gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 8 March 2020 at 03:56:35 UTC, Era Scarecrow wrote:


  From what i've researched, it's more or less the flu... a 
 somewhat more contagious, over-hyped, genetically modified, 
 potentially respiratory infection cold/flu; And likely a tool 
 by government(s) to force unwanted policies down our throats 
 like Martial Law, restriction of travel, Mandatory Vaccines 
 and/or micro-chipping. As well as the government had it since 
 2015 in certain labs thus more than likely there's already a 
 vaccine.


I'm writing this note from Italy, and specifically from Milano, 
and I've only one request: please stop.

Let's stay talking only about the marvellous D language.
Mar 08 2020
prev sibling parent reply bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Sunday, 8 March 2020 at 03:56:35 UTC, Era Scarecrow wrote:

 On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.


  From what i've researched, it's more or less the flu... a 
 somewhat more contagious, over-hyped, genetically modified, 
 potentially respiratory infection cold/flu; And likely a tool 
 by government(s) to force unwanted policies down our throats 
 like Martial Law, restriction of travel, Mandatory Vaccines 
 and/or micro-chipping. As well as the government had it since 
 2015 in certain labs thus more than likely there's already a 
 vaccine.

  Lots of details on the matter. Unfortunate for DConf to be 
 cancelled. But whatever is considered safest and best for 
 everyone involved.


You are very misinformed about it, not sure what your sources are 
for your "research" but you've done your research the wrong 
places.

It's not "more or less" the flu. They're not in the same 
category, not even a similar virus. It's in the same family as 
ex. SARS. The flu has no genetic connection to it.

Yes, it's respiratory but that doesn't mean it's the same as the 
flu.

Please take off your tinfoil hat too, there's nobody and I mean 
nobody in this world that's trying to hide vaccines, not for 
profit, not for population control. There are far too many 
researchers and doctors in this world for such a conspiracy 
theory to even be remotely true.

There's a lot of great people currently working all day long 
trying to find a vaccine and there's one in the workings already 
but still months until it has been tested properly and can be 
distributed.

Restriction of travel is not Martial law in this case and it's 
fair to say the governments SHOULD indeed restrict travel. In 
fact a lot of countries already have done so and that's for good 
reason. To prevent spread. One of the biggest factors in virus 
spread is always airports.

Mandatory vaccines should be the norm. There are no reasons not 
to get a vaccine unless you're having an allergic reaction but in 
that case everyone around you should vaccinate. It's called herd 
immunity.

Micro-chipping will not happen because of this and most likely 
won't happen in most of the world, if ever because that's a clear 
violation of human rights as it is currently. You cannot force 
anyone to do so, it's the same as forcing everyone to get 
tattoos, which you can't. There are of course companies etc. that 
offers it but it's all voluntarily and nothing is forced.

The world is not out to get you, the government isn't really evil 
and mostly the world is becoming a better place every day.
Regardless of how you look at the world then it's better than it 
was 100 years ago or even just 50 years ago.
We keep improving but that doesn't mean humans don't make mistake 
and it also doesn't mean there aren't bad apples among us but 
mostly the world is good and most people will do good.

Your whole message comes across as ignorant and it's 
disrespectful to people that actually are working hard to prevent 
the spread and/or finding a cure/vaccine.
Mar 10 2020
next sibling parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Tuesday, 10 March 2020 at 18:06:53 UTC, bauss wrote:

 On Sunday, 8 March 2020 at 03:56:35 UTC, Era Scarecrow wrote:

  From what i've researched,


 You are very misinformed about it, not sure what your sources 
 are for your "research" but you've done your research the wrong 
 places.


Indeed.

I am aware that people susceptible to conspiracy theories have a 
tendency to mistrust experts, but I'll post this very informative 
interview with one such expert nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in 
infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, 
McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the 
director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy 
(CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of 
Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a 
professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of 
Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical 
School, all at the University of Minnesota.


Back on topic, cancelling DConf is a good call.

--Bastiaan.
Mar 11 2020
prev sibling parent reply Murilo <murilomiranda92 hotmail.com> writes:
 You are very misinformed about it, not sure what your sources 
 are for your "research" but you've done your research the wrong 
 places.

 It's not "more or less" the flu. They're not in the same 
 category, not even a similar virus. It's in the same family as 
 ex. SARS. The flu has no genetic connection to it.

 Yes, it's respiratory but that doesn't mean it's the same as 
 the flu.

 Please take off your tinfoil hat too, there's nobody and I mean 
 nobody in this world that's trying to hide vaccines, not for 
 profit, not for population control. There are far too many 
 researchers and doctors in this world for such a conspiracy 
 theory to even be remotely true.

 There's a lot of great people currently working all day long 
 trying to find a vaccine and there's one in the workings 
 already but still months until it has been tested properly and 
 can be distributed.

 Restriction of travel is not Martial law in this case and it's 
 fair to say the governments SHOULD indeed restrict travel. In 
 fact a lot of countries already have done so and that's for 
 good reason. To prevent spread. One of the biggest factors in 
 virus spread is always airports.

 Mandatory vaccines should be the norm. There are no reasons not 
 to get a vaccine unless you're having an allergic reaction but 
 in that case everyone around you should vaccinate. It's called 
 herd immunity.

 Micro-chipping will not happen because of this and most likely 
 won't happen in most of the world, if ever because that's a 
 clear violation of human rights as it is currently. You cannot 
 force anyone to do so, it's the same as forcing everyone to get 
 tattoos, which you can't. There are of course companies etc. 
 that offers it but it's all voluntarily and nothing is forced.

 The world is not out to get you, the government isn't really 
 evil and mostly the world is becoming a better place every day.
 Regardless of how you look at the world then it's better than 
 it was 100 years ago or even just 50 years ago.
 We keep improving but that doesn't mean humans don't make 
 mistake and it also doesn't mean there aren't bad apples among 
 us but mostly the world is good and most people will do good.

 Your whole message comes across as ignorant and it's 
 disrespectful to people that actually are working hard to 
 prevent the spread and/or finding a cure/vaccine.


Everyone in the world should read this, it would prevent idiocy 
from spreading.
Mar 11 2020
parent reply Anonymous <anonymous some-place.net> writes:
to all the people dogpiling the responses against Era's point of 
view:

the reason there is not more dissent, whether here or in other 
respectable forums (eg scientific research in general), is purely 
because of social mechanics (ostracization of dissenters) - not 
the inherent unassailable truthfulness of the apparent consensus 
point of view. when contrary information is personally and 
professionally radioactive, is it a wonder nobody wants to 
associate themselves with it?

but here, as in so many elsewheres, "this is not the place." I'm 
already pushing the boundary with this meta-post containing no 
specific assertions, and will almost certainly put Mike in the 
unfortunate position of having to put his foot down in this 
thread (sorry Mike).

I'm just pointing out that, anywhere that people's real life 
identities are tied to what they are saying, there will be an 
artificial consensus around safe, socially sanctioned viewpoints. 
so you all essentially get an unrestricted platform to say "lol 
we're so informed and naysayers are tinfoil-hat nutters," but if 
somebody made a good-faith effort to respond to any of your 
points, messages would start getting deleted and the thread would 
be locked. and far from exceptional, that happens EVERYWHERE.

I don't expect any of you /respectable, rational/ people to read 
it, but for the shy dissenters among us, here's a short little 
essay on the circularity of scientific peer review (I am not the 
author):

https://www.reddit.com/r/accountt1234/comments/5umtip/scientific_circular_reasoning/
Mar 11 2020
parent reply Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 at 20:30:12 UTC, Anonymous wrote:

 to all the people dogpiling the responses against Era's point 
 of view:

 the reason there is not more dissent, whether here or in other 
 respectable forums (eg scientific research in general), is 
 purely because of social mechanics (ostracization of 
 dissenters) - not the inherent unassailable truthfulness of the 
 apparent consensus point of view. when contrary information is 
 personally and professionally radioactive, is it a wonder 
 nobody wants to associate themselves with it?

 but here, as in so many elsewheres, "this is not the place." 
 I'm already pushing the boundary with this meta-post containing 
 no specific assertions, and will almost certainly put Mike in 
 the unfortunate position of having to put his foot down in this 
 thread (sorry Mike).

 I'm just pointing out that, anywhere that people's real life 
 identities are tied to what they are saying, there will be an 
 artificial consensus around safe, socially sanctioned 
 viewpoints. so you all essentially get an unrestricted platform 
 to say "lol we're so informed and naysayers are tinfoil-hat 
 nutters," but if somebody made a good-faith effort to respond 
 to any of your points, messages would start getting deleted and 
 the thread would be locked. and far from exceptional, that 
 happens EVERYWHERE.

 I don't expect any of you /respectable, rational/ people to 
 read it, but for the shy dissenters among us, here's a short 
 little essay on the circularity of scientific peer review (I am 
 not the author):

 https://www.reddit.com/r/accountt1234/comments/5umtip/scientific_circular_reasoning/


What, you're saying continents can move and that there's no 
phlogiston and no ether around? Dinosaurs did not gradually 
disappear and washing ones hands could avoid childbed fever? and 
that stomach ulcer are of bacierial origin?
Heretic, to the pyre.
More seriously: these were all examples of career killing 
"consensus scientific truths"™ that have been slowly showed to be 
not that truthful (after a lot of funerals).
So, a little bit of caution on the consensus opinion is required, 
especially if that consensus enables billion/trillion big 
industries (global warming, pharmacology, etc.).
Mar 12 2020
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/12/2020 9:18 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote:

 [...]


C'mon, fellows. There are PLENTY of places online where you can discuss this. 
But this forum is for D.
Mar 12 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Murilo <murilomiranda92 hotmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.



I'm strongly in favor or Adam's idea to have an online conference 
instead and I'm strongly in favor of rescheduling it to 
September, it will be right in the Summer :D.
Mar 07 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Mathias Lang <pro.mathias.lang gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.

 Though it's possible that things will have cleared up by June, 
 we can't be sure that will be the case. We don't want to put 
 members of the D community at risk if things are not cleared 
 up, or risk travel disruptions for those who do register and 
 make travel plans. We decided it's better to cancel earlier 
 rather than later to minimize the number of people who will 
 need to cancel or rebook their travel arrangements.

 Personally, I was really looking forward to heading to London 
 and seeing everyone again, but I do agree with the decision. We 
 hope not many of you will be impacted by the decision and we're 
 terribly sorry if you are.


Sad to hear this, I was really looking forward to it. But indeed 
there seem to be no other choice.
Don't think an online event will quite fill the gap, many of us 
already interact online very frequently anyway.
Mar 07 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent John Burton <john.burton jbmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 Personally, I was really looking forward to heading to London 
 and seeing everyone again, but I do agree with the decision. We 
 hope not many of you will be impacted by the decision and we're 
 terribly sorry if you are.


Very disappointing as I'd hoped to go for at least one day for 
the first time.
But very much the right thing to do under the circumstances.
Mar 09 2020
prev sibling next sibling parent Joseph Rushton Wakeling <joseph.wakeling webdrake.net> writes:
Hi Mike,

I'm so sorry to hear this, but I completely understand and 
support the reasoning.  Given the circumstances I was honestly 
expecting this to happen.

As others have suggested, I hope we can organize something online 
via videoconferencing.  It will be good to "see" and chat with 
everyone even if only at a distance.

Yes, we all interact a lot online anyway, but there's a 
difference between our day to day interactions, versus having 
some dedicated presentation and Q&A time.  Besides, DConf isn't 
just for those of us who go, the presentation videos are part of 
our outreach.

Thanks and best wishes,

      -- Joe
Mar 09 2020
prev sibling parent bauss <jj_1337 live.dk> writes:
On Saturday, 7 March 2020 at 20:37:32 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

 I really wish I didn't have to make this announcement, but in 
 light of the COVID-19 outbreak and with an abundance of 
 caution, the D Language Foundation and Symmetry Investments 
 have agreed to cancel DConf 2020.

 Though it's possible that things will have cleared up by June, 
 we can't be sure that will be the case. We don't want to put 
 members of the D community at risk if things are not cleared 
 up, or risk travel disruptions for those who do register and 
 make travel plans. We decided it's better to cancel earlier 
 rather than later to minimize the number of people who will 
 need to cancel or rebook their travel arrangements.

 Personally, I was really looking forward to heading to London 
 and seeing everyone again, but I do agree with the decision. We 
 hope not many of you will be impacted by the decision and we're 
 terribly sorry if you are.


Sad to hear this but hopefully people can work something out with 
an online conference.
Mar 10 2020