digitalmars.D - Why =?UTF-8?B?aXNu4oCZdA==?= 2.110 published?
- Quirin Schroll (2/2) Aug 19 Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it
- Dakota (5/7) Aug 29 I am quite surprised that such a simple and important question
- Sergey (18/25) Aug 29 I already told that before..
- Mike Parker (3/20) Aug 30 Relax people. Iain Buclaw handles the releases. Anytime there's a
- ryuukk_ (4/26) Aug 30 Communication is key to avoid confusion and concerns, there is
- Adam Wilson (15/17) Oct 23 I don't think people have a problem with the concept of their
- M.M. (6/25) Oct 25 Iain's activity on github has lowered substantially (is close to
- Lance Bachmeier (9/14) Oct 25 But this isn't Iain's release, it's the project's release. It's
- Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole (8/25) Oct 25 You are over thinking this.
- Sergey (3/4) Oct 25 At least the compiler is stable and no breaking changes :)
- Lance Bachmeier (11/12) Oct 25 That's not the problem. A delay of three months (or however long
- Mike Parker (6/15) Oct 25 One of Iain's goals is to get the release progress packaged up
- jmh530 (7/25) Oct 25 I think that's a great goal, but I think Bachmeier's point is
- Don Allen (7/25) Nov 04 It is amazing to me when I read, repeatedly
- Mike Parker (4/6) Nov 04 I have nothing else to tell you at the moment. I don't know why
- ryuukk_ (5/7) Aug 30 what's sad is people from D foundation all ignored this post
- Mike Parker (3/4) Aug 30 Nothing could be further from the truth. We wouldn't be here
- Dakota (2/4) Oct 23 Almost 3 months delay, any comment from core team?
- Ivan Kazmenko (4/6) Nov 03 I'd like to just reiterate the original question, in this form.
- Mike Parker (2/7) Nov 03 At the moment, we're trying to find out what's going on with Iain.
- Ivan Kazmenko (6/17) Nov 04 My best wishes to Iain Buclaw and other maintainers!
- Mike Parker (2/6) Nov 04 Thank you. Yes, I'll announce something as soon as I know it.
- Lance Bachmeier (8/10) Nov 16 We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a
- Mike Parker (9/19) Nov 16 The project is nowhere near death. The compiler release is
- Mike Parker (10/12) Nov 16 The release process is a multistep thing that, in its current
- Salih Dincer (15/25) Nov 16 I wonder what is so important about the deadly? Or are you
- Adam Wilson (8/15) Nov 17 That is a bit extreme IMO. While I agree that it is annoying that
- Lance Bachmeier (13/15) Nov 17 It would be for personal projects where it's just me and nobody
- Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole (5/14) Nov 17 The problem is not a lack of man power.
- Steven Schveighoffer (12/25) Nov 17 I think it's disingenuous to treat a lack of release as a lack of
- Lance Bachmeier (15/21) Nov 18 That's not what I'm doing. The exact phrase was "it's reached the
- Steven Schveighoffer (73/96) Nov 19 The reports of VisualD's death have been greatly exaggerated.
- Walter Bright (1/1) Nov 19 Steven, I and everyone else are very appreciative of your valuable contr...
- Sergey (6/16) Nov 17 I think Julia just have more active and bigger community and
- Lance Bachmeier (14/16) Nov 17 Julia has the same problem it's always had. Otherwise I'd have
- claptrap (3/7) Nov 17 Do you need a hug?
- drug007 (2/10) Nov 17 Brilliant answer! My kudos to you.
Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?
Aug 19
On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I am quite surprised that such a simple and important question has gone without any response for such a long time I can't help but wonder what the future of the community will look like.
Aug 29
On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 06:36:23 UTC, Dakota wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:I already told that before.. all problems are because unrealistic expectations: people still considering D as a serious production language - they just need to stop doing it... It is great hobby language for hobby projects. I'm almost sure many people after reading this will have - denial - anger - bargaining - depression When you accept this - peace and happiness will be with you :) You no longer care about not only 2.110 but any other versions, bugzilla migrations and all things that are not happening. All bugs that haven't been fixed for years (and won't be fixed in another decade).. and just enjoy using the language in any way you like. So stop feeling frustrated and start enjoying life!Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I am quite surprised that such a simple and important question has gone without any response for such a long time I can't help but wonder what the future of the community will look like.
Aug 29
On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 06:46:54 UTC, Sergey wrote:On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 06:36:23 UTC, Dakota wrote:Relax people. Iain Buclaw handles the releases. Anytime there's a delay, there's a reason for it.On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:I already told that before.. all problems are because unrealistic expectations: people still considering D as a serious production language - they just need to stop doing it... It is great hobby language for hobby projects.Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I am quite surprised that such a simple and important question has gone without any response for such a long time I can't help but wonder what the future of the community will look like.
Aug 30
On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 07:04:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 06:46:54 UTC, Sergey wrote:Communication is key to avoid confusion and concerns, there is literally 0 communication, therefore there will be confusion and concernsOn Friday, 30 August 2024 at 06:36:23 UTC, Dakota wrote:Relax people. Iain Buclaw handles the releases. Anytime there's a delay, there's a reason for it.On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:I already told that before.. all problems are because unrealistic expectations: people still considering D as a serious production language - they just need to stop doing it... It is great hobby language for hobby projects.Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I am quite surprised that such a simple and important question has gone without any response for such a long time I can't help but wonder what the future of the community will look like.
Aug 30
On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 07:04:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:Relax people. Iain Buclaw handles the releases. Anytime there's a delay, there's a reason for it.I don't think people have a problem with the concept of their being a reason for it. I think the problem is that there has been no communication, at least that I've seen on what that reason is. It could be as simple as "Iain had to step away for a while, but he'll be back in X time." Or maybe it's being held back for a gnarly problem in the build pipeline that needs time to get resolved. Or maybe there is a super-secret feature being developed that we're waiting on. IDK. 🤷♂️ The point being, we don't know why, and I think that would cool all of this down if we did. But the radio silence is disconcerting. And there is quite the pile of fixes and changes building up in the pending changelog.
Oct 23
On Thursday, 24 October 2024 at 06:24:56 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 07:04:06 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:Iain's activity on github has lowered substantially (is close to zero) since around july: https://github.com/ibuclaw (That would suggest that Iain is taking a break for a while; hope all is good, and the break was planned.)Relax people. Iain Buclaw handles the releases. Anytime there's a delay, there's a reason for it.I don't think people have a problem with the concept of their being a reason for it. I think the problem is that there has been no communication, at least that I've seen on what that reason is. It could be as simple as "Iain had to step away for a while, but he'll be back in X time." Or maybe it's being held back for a gnarly problem in the build pipeline that needs time to get resolved. Or maybe there is a super-secret feature being developed that we're waiting on. IDK. 🤷♂️ The point being, we don't know why, and I think that would cool all of this down if we did. But the radio silence is disconcerting. And there is quite the pile of fixes and changes building up in the pending changelog.
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 07:57:28 UTC, M.M. wrote:Iain's activity on github has lowered substantially (is close to zero) since around july: https://github.com/ibuclaw (That would suggest that Iain is taking a break for a while; hope all is good, and the break was planned.)But this isn't Iain's release, it's the project's release. It's very alarming that we're in a situation where everything relies on one person and nobody else knows what's going on. We don't want to blow this out of proportion, but this is what it looks like when an open source project dies. I'm not worried about that (yet) because LDC seems to be in good shape. At the same time, I'm evaluating my options in the event that we've reached the downward spiral.
Oct 25
On 26/10/2024 12:18 AM, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 07:57:28 UTC, M.M. wrote:You are over thinking this. It is delayed, Iain is busy. He had back to back conferences last month. If something were to happen to Iain, somebody else would take on the job of release manager. Ldc's releases are automated, dmd's isn't currently. We'd get it sorted out no matter what happens.Iain's activity on github has lowered substantially (is close to zero) since around july: https://github.com/ibuclaw (That would suggest that Iain is taking a break for a while; hope all is good, and the break was planned.)But this isn't Iain's release, it's the project's release. It's very alarming that we're in a situation where everything relies on one person and nobody else knows what's going on. We don't want to blow this out of proportion, but this is what it looks like when an open source project dies. I'm not worried about that (yet) because LDC seems to be in good shape. At the same time, I'm evaluating my options in the event that we've reached the downward spiral.
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 11:44:42 UTC, Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole wrote:It is delayed, Iain is busy.At least the compiler is stable and no breaking changes :)
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 11:44:42 UTC, Richard (Rikki) Andrew Cattermole wrote:It is delayed, Iain is busy.That's not the problem. A delay of three months (or however long it turns out to be) with no communication is not something you see when an open source project is healthy. It's a sign that all the contributors are focused on doing their own thing. Which of course they have a right to do, but then new users/adoption dries up. This combined with the death of GtkD and Visual D, and what appears to be a lack of new users, particularly business users, does not make a compelling case when comparing with other languages.
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 12:48:02 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:That's not the problem. A delay of three months (or however long it turns out to be) with no communication is not something you see when an open source project is healthy. It's a sign that all the contributors are focused on doing their own thing. Which of course they have a right to do, but then new users/adoption dries up. This combined with the death of GtkD and Visual D, and what appears to be a lack of new users, particularly business users, does not make a compelling case when comparing with other languages.One of Iain's goals is to get the release progress packaged up into basically a single button push so that anyone can do it. Once he gets to that point, we'll be able to avoid situations like this. But we aren't there yet. Until we are, it's pretty much on his shoulders.
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 12:59:44 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 12:48:02 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:I think that's a great goal, but I think Bachmeier's point is more about the lack of communication to the community. I don't think anyone is going to beat up on Iain for being busy and needing to delay the release a few weeks, but a heads up that the release is delayed makes the organization look a little more professional.That's not the problem. A delay of three months (or however long it turns out to be) with no communication is not something you see when an open source project is healthy. It's a sign that all the contributors are focused on doing their own thing. Which of course they have a right to do, but then new users/adoption dries up. This combined with the death of GtkD and Visual D, and what appears to be a lack of new users, particularly business users, does not make a compelling case when comparing with other languages.One of Iain's goals is to get the release progress packaged up into basically a single button push so that anyone can do it. Once he gets to that point, we'll be able to avoid situations like this. But we aren't there yet. Until we are, it's pretty much on his shoulders.
Oct 25
On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 12:59:44 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:On Friday, 25 October 2024 at 12:48:02 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:It is amazing to me when I read, repeatedly Q: Why has there been no communication about the delay of the 2.110 release? A: Iain is busy. That's why 2.110 hasn't been released. It is not helpful to this project when people ask a question and receive an answer to a question they didn't ask.That's not the problem. A delay of three months (or however long it turns out to be) with no communication is not something you see when an open source project is healthy. It's a sign that all the contributors are focused on doing their own thing. Which of course they have a right to do, but then new users/adoption dries up. This combined with the death of GtkD and Visual D, and what appears to be a lack of new users, particularly business users, does not make a compelling case when comparing with other languages.One of Iain's goals is to get the release progress packaged up into basically a single button push so that anyone can do it. Once he gets to that point, we'll be able to avoid situations like this. But we aren't there yet. Until we are, it's pretty much on his shoulders.
Nov 04
On Monday, 4 November 2024 at 17:14:53 UTC, Don Allen wrote:It is not helpful to this project when people ask a question and receive an answer to a question they didn't ask.I have nothing else to tell you at the moment. I don't know why it has't been released yet, and I can't give you a date for when it will be. As soon as I know anything, I'll tell announce it.
Nov 04
On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?what's sad is people from D foundation all ignored this post they literally don't care about people using D it shows in the PRs that get merged, and it shows in releases being ignored
Aug 30
On Friday, 30 August 2024 at 07:03:11 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:they literally don't care about people using DNothing could be further from the truth. We wouldn't be here otherwise.
Aug 30
On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?Almost 3 months delay, any comment from core team?
Oct 23
On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I'd like to just reiterate the original question, in this form. When could one expect a 2.110 release? Ivan Kazmenko.
Nov 03
On Sunday, 3 November 2024 at 22:47:41 UTC, Ivan Kazmenko wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:At the moment, we're trying to find out what's going on with Iain.Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I'd like to just reiterate the original question, in this form. When could one expect a 2.110 release?
Nov 03
On Monday, 4 November 2024 at 01:36:48 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:On Sunday, 3 November 2024 at 22:47:41 UTC, Ivan Kazmenko wrote:My best wishes to Iain Buclaw and other maintainers! I hope Iain would be able to return to packaging the releases at some point. And Mike, please keep us posted when you have an update. Ivan Kazmenko.On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:At the moment, we're trying to find out what's going on with Iain.Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?I'd like to just reiterate the original question, in this form. When could one expect a 2.110 release?
Nov 04
On Monday, 4 November 2024 at 17:59:43 UTC, Ivan Kazmenko wrote:My best wishes to Iain Buclaw and other maintainers! I hope Iain would be able to return to packaging the releases at some point. And Mike, please keep us posted when you have an update.Thank you. Yes, I'll announce something as soon as I know it.
Nov 04
On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a release, and there's still no announcement from the leadership, and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up. After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.
Nov 16
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:The project is nowhere near death. The compiler release is delayed, but everything else is moving along. I have nothing to announce yet because I haven't been able to confirm what's going on with Iain. I'm expecting to have that confirmation soon, at which point I'll be able to make an announcement about when he'll be able to get the next release out or someone else will.Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a release, and there's still no announcement from the leadership, and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up. After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.
Nov 16
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up.The release process is a multistep thing that, in its current state, is dependent on Iain. As I said earlier, he intends to simplify it so any of us could do it, but hasn’t gotten there yet. If he were abducted by aliens, one of us would step in and replace it with a new process. We aren’t at the point yet for such an extreme measure. Right now, our biggest priority here is making sure Iain is okay. Then we can figure out what to do about the releaae.
Nov 16
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:I wonder what is so important about the deadly? Or are you writing software that coordinates the take-off and landing of aircraft? Is there a fatal bug report you've made in the past that hasn't been fixed yet? A As a D programmer, you have such power (ImportC) at your disposal that there is nothing you can't do despite the limitations of the language. In summary, even if there is no update for 1 year, it is not the end of life... IMO, they are now spending the time they would have spent on monthly updates to release a better version. In summary, the expectation is great and I hope that will happen before the end of the year. SDB 79Wasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a release, and there's still no announcement from the leadership, and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up. After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.
Nov 16
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a release, and there's still no announcement from the leadership, and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up. After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.That is a bit extreme IMO. While I agree that it is annoying that the compiler is delayed it is by no means catastrophic. Just download a nightly if you really need a patched version. Otherwise, nothing has really changed on your end and nobody is going anywhere. Things like this happen all the time in volunteer only projects.
Nov 17
On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 09:47:23 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:That is a bit extreme IMO.It would be for personal projects where it's just me and nobody else. I can't tell others to invest a bunch of (very scarce) time in a language unless they'll be able to use it in the future. Moreover, we sometimes have to return to the code in five years, and the profession is moving to a requirement to share our code publicly, so the time horizon is very long. I'm not going to start yet another discussion of all of the related concerns. It's just not an option to use a language professionally when it's reached the point that the lack of manpower allows something like this to happen.Things like this happen all the time in volunteer only projects.That's what has me worried. The volunteer hours dry up, releases slip, and then a year or two later the project is on life support.
Nov 17
On 18/11/2024 8:57 AM, Lance Bachmeier wrote:I'm not going to start yet another discussion of all of the related concerns. It's just not an option to use a language professionally when it's reached the point that the lack of manpower allows something like this to happen. Things like this happen all the time in volunteer only projects. That's what has me worried. The volunteer hours dry up, releases slip, and then a year or two later the project is on life support.The problem is not a lack of man power. It was a lack of communication. This is why Razvan is moving into the project coordinator role, to prevent this from happening again.
Nov 17
On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 19:57:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 09:47:23 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote:I think it's disingenuous to treat a lack of release as a lack of progress. As it so happens in this case, it's the fact we rely currently on one person to do the release, and it's a very non-automated process. That is going to be remedied.That is a bit extreme IMO.It would be for personal projects where it's just me and nobody else. I can't tell others to invest a bunch of (very scarce) time in a language unless they'll be able to use it in the future. Moreover, we sometimes have to return to the code in five years, and the profession is moving to a requirement to share our code publicly, so the time horizon is very long.It's very obviously not on life support, just look at the commit activity here: https://github.com/dlang While you are free to draw your own conclusions however you want, I think either you are not looking at the right metrics, or you have some other reason to be leaving D. -SteveThings like this happen all the time in volunteer only projects.That's what has me worried. The volunteer hours dry up, releases slip, and then a year or two later the project is on life support.
Nov 17
On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 22:24:03 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:I think it's disingenuous to treat a lack of release as a lack of progress. As it so happens in this case, it's the fact we rely currently on one person to do the release, and it's a very non-automated process. That is going to be remedied.That's not what I'm doing. The exact phrase was "it's reached the point that the lack of manpower allows something like this to happen". We recently had discussions about Visual D and GtkD being dead. These are major projects and nobody's picked them up. Contributors have left and nobody's taken their place. Adam left to work on his fork. The list of problems could go on but I don't have time for that discussion. And now a release is nearly four months late.I think either you are not looking at the right metrics,I can't imagine anyone comparing the current situation to where things were six or eight years ago and not be deeply concerned.or you have some other reason to be leaving D.I'm not leaving D. I've moved projects to other languages if others are involved. I cannot look at the current state of affairs and tell someone else they should use D.
Nov 18
On Monday, 18 November 2024 at 18:13:16 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 22:24:03 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:The reports of VisualD's death have been greatly exaggerated. https://github.com/dlang/visuald/commits/master/ GtkD, I'm not sure about, I don't use it. Looks like it has activity about 5 months ago.I think it's disingenuous to treat a lack of release as a lack of progress. As it so happens in this case, it's the fact we rely currently on one person to do the release, and it's a very non-automated process. That is going to be remedied.That's not what I'm doing. The exact phrase was "it's reached the point that the lack of manpower allows something like this to happen". We recently had discussions about Visual D and GtkD being dead.These are major projects and nobody's picked them up. Contributors have left and nobody's taken their place.I don't know that "contributors have left" in the case of VisualD, but I can say that at least for my projects, none of them are "dead", even though in some cases I haven't updated them in years. I've picked up several projects that people have left. raylib-d I just yesterday was probably the second binding to update to the new 5.5 release. mysql-native I also manage, but it has been languishing for a while with not much time for me to work on it. But it's pretty solid, I use it for one of may work projects. A project being abandoned doesn't mean it's dead forever. Open source gives anyone the opportunity to pick it back up. And sometimes, things don't get updated because they *just work*.Adam left to work on his fork. The list of problems could go on but I don't have time for that discussion. And now a release is nearly four months late.Adam is still working on his projects, which are still written in D. Maybe at some point it will purposely break with upstream? I don't know. I tend to doubt it, but I could be wrong. The release delay is not based on any kind of abandonment. I think there has been too much read into this, it's not a usual situation.I am not deeply concerned. I'm actually pretty positive on the outlook. D is somewhat special in that a very few amount of people can manage huge projects. It's also a curse that the ecosystem can change rapidly based on the whims of a few. The compiler is going strong. The ecosystem is continually improving. ImportC will open up new doors that make things even easier. PhobosV3 looks like a good opportunity to clean up the library. I hope editions can be finalized soon, but when that happens, it will make things drastically easier to change. D is one of 9 supported languages in gcc. LDC gives world class optimization support for bleeding-edge D code, as it is released soon after the DMD release. 12 years ago I had to create an embedded server on a small ARM board. I chose C++ over D, because D just didn't have the capabilities. Today, I would pick D without question. I know there are others who also are exploring this area. I've been helping to develop a new GC for D, and in this, my usual mode of debugging using writeln statements just wouldn't cut it. I've been extremely impressed by the support of D in gdb.I think either you are not looking at the right metrics,I can't imagine anyone comparing the current situation to where things were six or eight years ago and not be deeply concerned.Apologies for misreading here!or you have some other reason to be leaving D.I'm not leaving D. I've moved projects to other languages if others are involved.I cannot look at the current state of affairs and tell someone else they should use D.I am the opposite. I have taught a class of brand-new programmers to use D. I think there is potential for D with the right motivated people to be the go-to solution for an entire segment of programming. It just hasn't happened yet. People join the Discord all the time, and say "how come I haven't heard of D before, it's amazing!" I truly don't understand the doom-and-gloom sentiment from long-time D users, I see nothing but improvement. Anyway, I get that these kinds of uncertainties can be demotivating, but it just bugs me when people post sad predictions of failure when everything usually has a reasonable explanation. Don't get me wrong, there are some losses which are tough, I can count a few contributors that I am sad they have left, and I know they have left permanently. I have faith that the things they are no longer doing can be picked up by others. I want to say something else, something I was just telling a group of students recently: when it comes to programming, learn whatever you want. If you want to learn D, learn D. If you want to learn python, learn python. If you want to learn brainfuck, you should think twice, but sure, go ahead! All of these skills will just add to your experience and your knowledge. I see a lot of fear of learning some language or framework or library because it won't further their career. I can't see how that's possible. Even if you don't end up using the language/framework/etc, the act of learning it opens new ideas and opportunities for growth! -Steve
Nov 19
Steven, I and everyone else are very appreciative of your valuable contributions!
Nov 19
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote:I think Julia just have more active and bigger community and ecosystem And the state of D most probably will stay the same without significant changes - which is fine for othersWasn’t 2.110 due for August 1? Is there a reason it isn’t it published yet?We're nearing four months since missing the deadline for a release, and there's still no announcement from the leadership, and there's apparently nobody available/interested enough to finish it up. After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.
Nov 17
On Sunday, 17 November 2024 at 10:14:02 UTC, Sergey wrote:I think Julia just have more active and bigger community and ecosystemJulia has the same problem it's always had. Otherwise I'd have been using it for a long time. It's too easy to write slow code and too complex/distracting to fix it. I've long viewed it as a fundamentally flawed language. However, it's what I'm moving to for some projects, because it has the community you mention and is so easy to get up and running. Other languages are in principle good alternatives. Swift, Kotlin, and Go would require me to create my own ecosystem. I doesn't suffer from performance problems, and has a good ecosystem in place, but it comes with a heck of a learning curve. Rust is so far from a sane choice that it's not worth talking about.
Nov 17
On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote: After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.Do you need a hug?
Nov 17
On 17.11.2024 14:00, claptrap wrote:On Saturday, 16 November 2024 at 22:39:34 UTC, Lance Bachmeier wrote:Brilliant answer! My kudos to you.On Monday, 19 August 2024 at 12:59:34 UTC, Quirin Schroll wrote: After more than a decade and hundreds of thousands of lines of code, I've started moving some of my projects to a new language. This only happens to projects that are close to death.Do you need a hug?
Nov 17