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reply "Iain Buclaw" <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
Just had someone respond to a thread in D.gnu complaining that 
there had been no response for 15 days.  And if you look at the 
thread from forum.dlang.org, it would appear to be the case, 
however there were a few other responses that seem to have been 
lost.

Here's another example:

http://forum.dlang.org/post/ku3odb$bpe$1 digitalmars.com

At a first glance, it looks like there's only two posts in that 
thread, but looking in my inbox, there's actually seven... This 
looks like some sort of bug to me.  Though I wouldn't know when 
it actually started not working (4th August is a good starting 
point).


Regards
Iain.
Aug 10 2013
next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 08/10/2013 08:21 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 http://forum.dlang.org/post/ku3odb$bpe$1 digitalmars.com

 At a first glance, it looks like there's only two posts in that thread,
 but looking in my inbox, there's actually seven...


For that thread, my Thunderbird inbox matches http://forum.dlang.org. 
Just two posts...

Ali
Aug 10 2013
parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 08:40:45 -0700
Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:


 On 08/10/2013 08:21 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
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  > http://forum.dlang.org/post/ku3odb$bpe$1 digitalmars.com
  >
  > At a first glance, it looks like there's only two posts in that
  > thread, but looking in my inbox, there's actually seven...
=20
 For that thread, my Thunderbird inbox matches http://forum.dlang.org.=20
 Just two posts...
=20


Same thing in claws mail, two posts. Probably something to do with NNTP
rather than the web interface.
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "artur" <why.required if.not.used> writes:
On Saturday, 10 August 2013 at 15:21:42 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 Just had someone respond to a thread in D.gnu complaining that 
 there had been no response for 15 days.  And if you look at the 
 thread from forum.dlang.org, it would appear to be the case, 
 however there were a few other responses that seem to have been 
 lost.


Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
web i/f; the other direction seems to work.
Aug 10 2013
next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:


 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain 
was posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)

Ali
Aug 10 2013
next sibling parent Artur Skawina <art.08.09 gmail.com> writes:
On 08/10/13 17:52, Ali Çehreli wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:
 

 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 
 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain was
posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)


I'm using the lists; that thread has 8 posts here. All of /my/
recent posts haven't appeared in the web i/f... The one above, posted
using the 'forum' as a test, did arrive via email.

This message (sent via email) probably won't show up in the web i/f...

artur
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:


 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain wa=


s

 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)

 Ali


My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts
from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...

--=20
Iain Buclaw

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Aug 10 2013
parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface 
received both your and Artur Skawina's messages.

I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p

Ali
Aug 10 2013
next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 10 August 2013 21:11, Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


 Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface receive=


d

 both your and Artur Skawina's messages.

 I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p


Argh, those damned sun rays! :o)

--=20
Iain Buclaw

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Aug 10 2013
prev sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 10 August 2013 21:11, Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 09:31 AM, Iain Buclaw wrote:


 looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


 Luckily, you are wrong. :) Both Thunderbird and the web interface receive=


d

 both your and Artur Skawina's messages.

 I think the problem was temporary. Alpha particles... :p


Actually, looks like someone did something 4 hours ago... all messages
look like they came through at once...

See: http://forum.dlang.org/post/lyxynylebjfzgdsalweo forum.dlang.org


--=20
Iain Buclaw

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Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 05:31:39PM +0100, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali Çehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:


 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain was
 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)

 Ali


 
 My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts
 from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


[...]

I receive all d.gnu emails (I use the mailing list interface). Maybe
there's a problem going the other direction.


T

-- 
Computers are like a jungle: they have monitor lizards, rams, mice, c-moss,
binary trees... and bugs.
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali =C3=87ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:=



 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:

 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


=20
 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to I=




ain was

 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
=20
 Ali


=20
 My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts
 from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filte=
rs out=20
the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to=
 you.=20

using=20
gmail, that could add to the confusion.

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> wrote:

 On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:

 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to Iain=






 was

 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)

 Ali


 My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts
 from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


 gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filters=


 out

 the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent back to y=


ou.




ing

 gmail, that could add to the confusion.


You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's
getting the confusion.  It's the fact that I *send* messages to, and
*receive* responses from people who are using mail clients.  But via
the web interface, no one could see this activity, which if you are
some of the few that only use the web interface to communicate, you
miss out in this way.

--=20
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) =3D (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling parent reply Johannes Pfau <nospam example.com> writes:
Am Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:42:50 +0200
schrieb "artur" <why.required if.not.used>:


 On Saturday, 10 August 2013 at 15:21:42 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 Just had someone respond to a thread in D.gnu complaining that 
 there had been no response for 15 days.  And if you look at the 
 thread from forum.dlang.org, it would appear to be the case, 
 however there were a few other responses that seem to have been 
 lost.


 
 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


The gdc bugzilla messages for issue 72 and 73 also didn't appear in the
newsgroup. Maybe that's the same problem?
Aug 10 2013
parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 10 August 2013 18:12, Johannes Pfau <nospam example.com> wrote:

 Am Sat, 10 Aug 2013 17:42:50 +0200
 schrieb "artur" <why.required if.not.used>:


 On Saturday, 10 August 2013 at 15:21:42 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote:

 Just had someone respond to a thread in D.gnu complaining that
 there had been no response for 15 days.  And if you look at the
 thread from forum.dlang.org, it would appear to be the case,
 however there were a few other responses that seem to have been
 lost.


 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 The gdc bugzilla messages for issue 72 and 73 also didn't appear in the
 newsgroup. Maybe that's the same problem?


Bugs 72 and 73 have appeared 4 hours ago also... so I guess "he who
controls this server" restarted some service to kick some queue back
into life. :)

-- 
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
Did you try to search for the missing post?
mailman screws thread structure and message may end up in another 
thread.
Aug 10 2013
parent "Kagamin" <spam here.lot> writes:
May be it can even retain messages for itself - for exclusive use 
by mailing list subscribers.
Aug 10 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Sunday, August 11, 2013 02:25:33 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> wrote=


:

 On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali =C3=87ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wro=






te:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:

 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to t=










he

 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


=20
 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response t=








o Iain

 was
 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)
=20
 Ali


=20
 My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all post=






s

 from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...=







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 gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and f=




ilters

 out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent=




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, if

 you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.


=20
 You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's
 getting the confusion.


https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?topic=3D1564

If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface r=
ather=20
than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threa=
ding=20
that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't ha=
ppen,=20
since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someon=
e who=20
uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing =
was=20
really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threa=
ds that=20
I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using=
 the web=20
interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you jus=
t=20
didn't notice for some reason.

But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker f=
or me.=20
It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badl=
y it=20
interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.

- Jonathan M Davis


  It's the fact that I *send* messages to, and
 *receive* responses from people who are using mail clients.  But via
 the web interface, no one could see this activity, which if you are
 some of the few that only use the web interface to communicate, you
 miss out in this way.


I always use the mailing list.

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 10 2013
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 8/10/2013 6:37 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:

 If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface rather
 than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threading
 that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't happen,
 since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someone who
 uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing was
 really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threads that
 I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using the web
 interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you just
 didn't notice for some reason.

 But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker for me.
 It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badly it
 interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.


Your post here also broke the thread. Your post appears in reply to the initial 
post of the thread, rather than the post you actually replied to.
Aug 11 2013
parent Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> writes:
On Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:16:44 Walter Bright wrote:

 Your post here also broke the thread. Your post appears in reply to the
 initial post of the thread, rather than the post you actually replied to.


Maybe due to that issue with mailman rewriting IDs? If not, I have no idea 
why. The problem with gmail is that your own messages to the mailing list 
don't even get delivered to you, so they don't show up in the thread, so if 
you're using a local mail client, replies to your message have no message to 
thread onto. And AFAIK, that only really affects other people when you reply to 
your own messages. Either way, I'm not using gmail anymore.

- Jonathan M Davis
Aug 11 2013
prev sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
On 11 August 2013 02:37, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> wrote:

 On Sunday, August 11, 2013 02:25:33 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 11 August 2013 00:16, Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisProg gmx.com> wrote:

 On Saturday, August 10, 2013 17:31:39 Iain Buclaw wrote:

 On 10 August 2013 16:52, Ali =C7ehreli <acehreli yahoo.com> wrote:

 On 08/10/2013 08:42 AM, artur wrote:

 Apparently, posts from the mailing lists are not making it to the
 web i/f; the other direction seems to work.


 It looks to be the reverse for that sample thread: My response to I=










ain

 was
 posted from Thunderbird. (I don't use the forum interface.)

 Ali


 My client just so happens to be gmail.  I seem to receive all posts
 from everyone... looks like Ali won't receive this message, and I
 don't expect this message to show on the forum interface either...


 gmail never sends you your own responses. Google is "helpful" and filt=






ers

 out the messages that you send to a mailing list when they get sent ba=






ck








f

 you're using gmail, that could add to the confusion.


 You know, I've never had that problem... and it's not *me* who's
 getting the confusion.


 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6588?topic=3D1564

 If you never noticed it, I'd guess that you use gmail's web interface rat=


her

 than a local client, as gmail will show your sent messages in the threadi=


ng

 that it does. If you're using a local client, that obviously doesn't happ=


en,

 since sent messages don't normally get put in your inbox. So, as someone =


who

 uses a local mail client pretty much exclusively, what gmail was doing wa=


s

 really annoying, particularly since it was constantly breaking up threads=


 that

 I replied in. But either you have a very different workflow (like using t=


he web

 interface), or your e-mail client is much smarter than mine, or you just
 didn't notice for some reason.

 But if gmail works for you, then great. This issue was a deal breaker for=


 me.

 It took it from gmail being annoying in some of its quirks and how badly =


it

 interacted with local clients to being unacceptably broken.


I guess one thing I make heavy use of filters which use tagging and
archiving to make a pseudo folder structure. Essentially, all mail
that matches my (fairly large and growing) filter list is archived and
labelled.  So all messages that get sent from this ML - as well as my
own postings, *always* skips the inbox and are archived as a de facto,
but then are labelled as "D Mailing List".  It is also possible for
threads to gain extra labels if certain keywords are used in them over
time... :o)

Not sure if such a set-up would work with the local client, but yes, I
use the web interface.

--=20
Iain Buclaw

*(p < e ? p++ : p) =3D (c & 0x0f) + '0';
Aug 11 2013