digitalmars.D - [OT] .NET is compiled to native code in Windows Phone 8
- Paulo Pinto (11/11) Oct 30 2012 Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features
- thedeemon (4/15) Oct 31 2012 I don't think they're going to. There are many reasons of keeping
- Paulo Pinto (8/27) Oct 31 2012 The problem with ngen is that it has a very basic optimizer, and
- deadalnix (3/12) Oct 31 2012 This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will
- Paulo Pinto (10/32) Nov 01 2012 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants
- Nick Sabalausky (17/52) Nov 01 2012 se-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx
- Nick Sabalausky (6/63) Nov 01 2012 ease-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx
- Paulo Pinto (3/76) Nov 03 2012 Great! :)
- H. S. Teoh (14/40) Nov 03 2012 [...]
- Walter Bright (2/5) Nov 04 2012 I'm so glad I never hear "Web 2.0" anymore.
- Chris Cain (3/4) Nov 04 2012 Because Web 3.0 and "Semantic Web" is in.
Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler for enterprise. :\ -- Paulo
Oct 30 2012
On Tuesday, 30 October 2012 at 19:15:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler enterprise. :\ -- PauloI don't think they're going to. There are many reasons of keeping assemblies in easy to verify and operate bytecode, and ngen has been here for quite a while without much impact.
Oct 31 2012
On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 07:19:23 UTC, thedeemon wrote:On Tuesday, 30 October 2012 at 19:15:59 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:The problem with ngen is that it has a very basic optimizer, and there are some restrictions to which type of bytecode (no reflection tricks) is ngen-able. Those restrictions are have them. -- PauloNow Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler enterprise. :\ -- PauloI don't think they're going to. There are many reasons of keeping assemblies in easy to verify and operate bytecode, and ngen has been here for quite a while without much impact.
Oct 31 2012
Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the enterprise. :\ -- PauloThis compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Oct 31 2012
On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants to sell me software as a service somehow. From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff. For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of software as service and patent trolls, having the source code available seems to no longer be enough. -- PauloNow Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the enterprise. :\ -- PauloThis compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Nov 01 2012
On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:se-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspxLe 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a =E9crit :Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8=20 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are=20 actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available=20 for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-relea=I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never liked web apps.) A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile game frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the big reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% compiled on *their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable consequences. I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the biggest buzzword right now. I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using "crazy" as an adverb.=20 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants=20 to sell me software as a service somehow. =20 From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell=20 everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff. =20 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of=20 software as service and patent trolls, having the source code=20 available seems to no longer be enough. =20Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler=20 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the=20 enterprise. :\ -- PauloThis compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my=20 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Nov 01 2012
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:11:17 -0400 Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> wrote:On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote: =20ease-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspxOn Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a =E9crit :Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8=20 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are=20 actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available=20 for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-rel=Speaking of all this: http://dilbert.com/2012-10-21/ That summarizes it perfectly.=20 I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never liked web apps.) =20 A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile game frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the big reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% compiled on *their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable consequences. =20 I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the biggest buzzword right now. =20 I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using "crazy" as an adverb. =20=20 I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants=20 to sell me software as a service somehow. =20 From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell=20 everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff. =20 For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of=20 software as service and patent trolls, having the source code=20 available seems to no longer be enough. =20Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code compiler=20 (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the=20 enterprise. :\ -- PauloThis compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my=20 apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Nov 01 2012
On Thursday, 1 November 2012 at 22:15:49 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote:On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:11:17 -0400 Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> wrote:Great! :)On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:Speaking of all this: http://dilbert.com/2012-10-21/ That summarizes it perfectly.On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never liked web apps.) A few months ago, I was looking into cross-platform 2D mobile game frameworks and it came down to Corona vs Marmalade. One of the big reasons we went with Marmalade was because Corona was 100% compiled on *their* servers, which lead to various uncomfortable consequences. I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the biggest buzzword right now. I really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it favorite word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using "crazy" as an adverb.Le 30/10/2012 20:15, Paulo Pinto a écrit :I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants to sell me software as a service somehow. From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff. For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of software as service and patent trolls, having the source code available seems to no longer be enough.Now Build 2012 is happening and the new Windows Phone 8 features have been revealed. One of the most interesting is that .NET applications are actually compiled to native code as well, before being made available for download. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2012/10/30/announcing-the-release-of-the-net-framework-for-windows-phone-8.aspx Assuming Microsoft eventually releases a native code (better than NGEN), this will make D use harder in the enterprise. :\ -- PauloThis compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?
Nov 03 2012
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 06:11:17PM -0400, Nick Sabalausky wrote:On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 08:43:10 +0100 "Paulo Pinto" <pjmlp progtools.org> wrote:[...]On Wednesday, 31 October 2012 at 23:20:15 UTC, deadalnix wrote:[...] Exactly, so what if you have the full source code if you have no control over the server and no control over your data?This compiler in the cloud things seems really scary. All my apps will not work anymore if microsoft decide so ?I really dislike this cloud trend. It seems that everyone wants to sell me software as a service somehow. From my lastest projects in the Fortune 500 world, I can tell everyone is jumping with both feets into cloud stuff. For the lovers of software freedom this is scary. In a world of software as service and patent trolls, having the source code available seems to no longer be enough.I feel exactly the same way. (Hell, that's one of the reasons I never liked web apps.)[...]I think it's all happening because MBAs are in charge, and the one thing they know and like best is buzzwords. And "cloud" is the biggest buzzword right now.Yeah no kidding, talk about castles in the air. :-PI really hate the word "cloud" anyway. All it is, is a stupid renaming of the words "Internet", "hosted" and "distributed", and which one it word right ahead of "tween" (except when used for animation) and using "crazy" as an adverb.It's another one of those overhyped bandwagons of questionable lasting value, that people are jumping on left right and center just because it's a buzzword. Nevermind the privacy issues, scalability issues, software freedom issues, etc.. T -- The most powerful one-line C program: #include "/dev/tty" -- IOCCC
Nov 03 2012
On 11/3/2012 8:54 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote:It's another one of those overhyped bandwagons of questionable lasting value, that people are jumping on left right and center just because it's a buzzword.I'm so glad I never hear "Web 2.0" anymore.
Nov 04 2012
On Sunday, 4 November 2012 at 23:23:10 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:I'm so glad I never hear "Web 2.0" anymore.Because Web 3.0 and "Semantic Web" is in. Sorry.
Nov 04 2012