digitalmars.D - More D Features Working Their Way Into C++
- Walter Bright (1/1) Nov 26 2022 https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218
- IGotD- (5/6) Nov 26 2022 I think more in the line, C++ will introduce yet another way to
- zjh (6/7) Nov 26 2022 I can't access Twitter.
- Tejas (10/18) Nov 26 2022 Basically the `!` syntax used by our templates has been developed
- Tejas (8/29) Nov 26 2022 Correct code 😅
- zjh (3/9) Nov 26 2022 `template![int N]` can be `template[int N]`.
- user1234 (5/13) Nov 26 2022 If this works for you :
- zjh (2/3) Nov 26 2022 I can't visit, but thank you all the same.
- ryuukk_ (2/10) Nov 27 2022  Nov 27 2022 `The latest `'C++'` can omit a lot of things. For example:
- Paulo Pinto (8/9) Nov 27 2022 Which is actually Circle, a C++ superset, without any guarantees
- zjh (7/18) Nov 27 2022 If `D` can be close to seamless interfacing `C++`, there will be
- Paulo Pinto (15/36) Nov 27 2022 Correct, however what is being discussed here, is C++ copying D
- Tejas (8/34) Nov 27 2022 I guess the feature that will differentiate D forever is the
- ryuukk_ (6/10) Nov 27 2022 Godot only ships C# because Miguel wanted to spread the usage of
- Paulo Pinto (5/15) Nov 27 2022 For Godot users it doesn't matter how it got there, only that it
- ryuukk_ (28/47) Nov 27 2022 Well it is important to know how it got there, because it
- 12345swordy (5/57) Nov 27 2022 C# now supports AOT with the release of c# 11. They even
- ryuukk_ (2/3) Nov 27 2022 They'll soon realize D is the proper C evolution
IGotD- <nise nise.com> On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I think more in the line, C++ will introduce yet another way to code an existing thing. This gif never gets old and history keeps repeating itself. https://i.imgur.com/3wlxtI0.gifv
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't access Twitter. But `big languages`, especially the strategy of `C++`, just follow others. Any language with new ideas will be copied. Therefore, small languages like `D` should first consolidate the existing implementation.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 01:22:57 UTC, zjh wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:Basically the `!` syntax used by our templates has been developed into [`Circle`](https://www.circle-lang.org/), not `C++` It looks like this ```cpp template![int N] void func(int i){ return N;} // Used like int d = func!44; ```https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't access Twitter. But `big languages`, especially the strategy of `C++`, just follow others. Any language with new ideas will be copied. Therefore, small languages like `D` should first consolidate the existing implementation.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 03:12:37 UTC, Tejas wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 01:22:57 UTC, zjh wrote:Correct code 😅 ```cpp template![int N] int func(int i){ return N;} // Used like int d = func!44; ```On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:Basically the `!` syntax used by our templates has been developed into [`Circle`](https://www.circle-lang.org/), not `C++` It looks like this ```cpp template![int N] void func(int i){ return N;} // Used like int d = func!44; ```https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't access Twitter. But `big languages`, especially the strategy of `C++`, just follow others. Any language with new ideas will be copied. Therefore, small languages like `D` should first consolidate the existing implementation.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 03:14:03 UTC, Tejas wrote:
```cpp
template![int N]
int func(int i){ return N;}
// Used like
int d = func!44;
```
`template![int N]` can be `template[int N]`.
Maybe it's too picky.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 01:22:57 UTC, zjh wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:If this works for you : https://nitter.net/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218 Then install this plugin: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nitter-redirect/mohaicophfnifehkkkdbcejkflmgfkofhttps://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't access Twitter.But `big languages`, especially the strategy of `C++`, just follow others. Any language with new ideas will be copied. Therefore, small languages like `D` should first consolidate the existing implementation.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 05:16:13 UTC, user1234 wrote:https://nitter.net/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't visit, but thank you all the same.
Nov 26 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 01:22:57 UTC, zjh wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218I can't access Twitter. But `big languages`, especially the strategy of `C++`, just follow others. Any language with new ideas will be copied. Therefore, small languages like `D` should first consolidate the existing implementation.
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 14:49:01 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 01:22:57 UTC, zjh wrote:`The latest `'C++'` can omit a lot of things. For example: ```cpp vector v1{"abc","def"}; //container void f(auto i){ ... }//this is a function template. ```
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218Which is actually Circle, a C++ superset, without any guarantees if ISO C++ will ever adopt it. If it ever happens, it will be yet another reason to keep using C++, as the C++ developers will get D goodies, alongside the large ecosystem of libraries, IDE and graphical tooling that they enjoy today. So it is a bit of pyrrhic victory having C++ adopting D features.
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 09:04:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:If `D` can be close to seamless interfacing `C++`, there will be many people using `C++` and `d` at the same time. This is not a bad thing. You can get the benefits of `C++` and `d` at the same time. Even, if you can seamlessly interface `rust`,`d` programmers can directly use the `rust` library. Wouldn't it be nice?https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218Which is actually Circle, a C++ superset, without any guarantees if ISO C++ will ever adopt it. If it ever happens, it will be yet another reason to keep using C++, as the C++ developers will get D goodies, alongside the large ecosystem of libraries, IDE and graphical tooling that they enjoy today. So it is a bit of pyrrhic victory having C++ adopting D features.
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 09:25:53 UTC, zjh wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 09:04:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:Correct, however what is being discussed here, is C++ copying D features, thus making the switch even less relevant. number one partner tool to C++ for game developers. extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle. Yet D also lead the way there with Remedy Games and their usage of D. So patting one's back of which languages are copying D's features, or D did it first, hardly matters in the adoption game.On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:If `D` can be close to seamless interfacing `C++`, there will be many people using `C++` and `d` at the same time. This is not a bad thing. You can get the benefits of `C++` and `d` at the same time. Even, if you can seamlessly interface `rust`,`d` programmers can directly use the `rust` library. Wouldn't it be nice?https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218Which is actually Circle, a C++ superset, without any guarantees if ISO C++ will ever adopt it. If it ever happens, it will be yet another reason to keep using C++, as the C++ developers will get D goodies, alongside the large ecosystem of libraries, IDE and graphical tooling that they enjoy today. So it is a bit of pyrrhic victory having C++ adopting D features.
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 10:30:24 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 09:25:53 UTC, zjh wrote:I guess the feature that will differentiate D forever is the presence of the tracing GC and less cluttered syntax While C++ has it's smart pointers, one has to go through the effort of using them explicitly while you get access to memory safety in D rather transparently About the syntax, let's see if cppfront and Carbon go beyond being an "experiment"On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 09:04:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:Correct, however what is being discussed here, is C++ copying D features, thus making the switch even less relevant. become the number one partner tool to C++ for game developers. extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle. Yet D also lead the way there with Remedy Games and their usage of D. So patting one's back of which languages are copying D's features, or D did it first, hardly matters in the adoption game.[...]If `D` can be close to seamless interfacing `C++`, there will be many people using `C++` and `d` at the same time. This is not a bad thing. You can get the benefits of `C++` and `d` at the same time. Even, if you can seamlessly interface `rust`,`d` programmers can directly use the `rust` library. Wouldn't it be nice?
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 10:30:24 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle.Godot then got funding from Microsoft to start the work So it's not "organic", it was a Microsoft led initiative https://godotengine.org/article/introducing-csharp-godot
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 14:52:43 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 10:30:24 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:For Godot users it doesn't matter how it got there, only that it is available and they share their code with others with zero hassle. This is how language marketing works.extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle.Godot then got funding from Microsoft to start the work So it's not "organic", it was a Microsoft led initiative https://godotengine.org/article/introducing-csharp-godot
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 16:21:30 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 14:52:43 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:Well it is important to know how it got there, because it emphasis the idea that the main character has to be pro-active the scripting languages available, Lua is very prominent in asia, Tencent even uses it for their unity games ton of bloated stuff with mono, the story there is not compelling AT ALL and not everyone is willing to bloat their C++ engine to implement another bloated environement, Unity is and it cost them a lot script in Unreal, and they are working on their own language, monogame/fna died, consoles/mobiles forbid JIT compilers coming years Embark studio gave up with the idea of making their own Rust based game engine, instead they pivoted to a "rust" plugin for Unreal for their 2 upcoming games (using Unreal 5) D can interop with C++, so it can co-exist in gamedev projects, including Unreal projects So if C++ community is starting to look at D features, maybe is a good time to remind them of how interopeable the language is, let's make them try the language But we have to remember that we compete with languages that are willing to change things to make them more compelling alternative It's no longer a world with just few languages, it's now a shit ton of different languages to choose fromOn Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 10:30:24 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:For Godot users it doesn't matter how it got there, only that it is available and they share their code with others with zero hassle. This is how language marketing works.extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle.Godot then got funding from Microsoft to start the work So it's not "organic", it was a Microsoft led initiative https://godotengine.org/article/introducing-csharp-godot
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 17:16:47 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 16:21:30 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:introduced their own version of the scoped feature. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/proposals/csharp-11.0/low-level-struct-improvements - AlexOn Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 14:52:43 UTC, ryuukk_ wrote:Well it is important to know how it got there, because it emphasis the idea that the main character has to be pro-active of the scripting languages available, Lua is very prominent in asia, Tencent even uses it for their unity games shit ton of bloated stuff with mono, the story there is not compelling AT ALL and not everyone is willing to bloat their C++ engine to implement another bloated environement, Unity is and it cost them a lot build script in Unreal, and they are working on their own language, monogame/fna died, consoles/mobiles forbid JIT compilers coming years Embark studio gave up with the idea of making their own Rust based game engine, instead they pivoted to a "rust" plugin for Unreal for their 2 upcoming games (using Unreal 5) D can interop with C++, so it can co-exist in gamedev projects, including Unreal projects So if C++ community is starting to look at D features, maybe is a good time to remind them of how interopeable the language is, let's make them try the language But we have to remember that we compete with languages that are willing to change things to make them more compelling alternative It's no longer a world with just few languages, it's now a shit ton of different languages to choose fromOn Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 10:30:24 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:For Godot users it doesn't matter how it got there, only that it is available and they share their code with others with zero hassle. This is how language marketing works.extensions for Unreal, while for D, one has to go through the hurdle to deal with Godot-D integration. While not that hard, it is an adoption obstacle.Godot then got funding from Microsoft to start the work So it's not "organic", it was a Microsoft led initiative https://godotengine.org/article/introducing-csharp-godot
Nov 27 2022
On Sunday, 27 November 2022 at 00:20:08 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:https://twitter.com/WalterBright/status/1596658148932489218They'll soon realize D is the proper C evolution
Nov 27 2022