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reply NX <nightmarex1337 hotmail.com> writes:
Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
Jan 20
next sibling parent reply Martin Tschierschke <mt smartdolphin.de> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
Cool. We should use this kind oft poll more often!
Jan 20
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:24:34PM +0000, Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
Cool. We should use this kind oft poll more often!
I like how the current majority is the bikeshedding. :-D T -- It won't be covered in the book. The source code has to be useful for something, after all. -- Larry Wall
Jan 20
parent reply IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 18:35:30 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:24:34PM +0000, Martin Tschierschke 
 via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
Cool. We should use this kind oft poll more often!
I like how the current majority is the bikeshedding. :-D T
I don't even understand the analogy.
Jan 20
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 07:05:52PM +0000, IGotD- via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 18:35:30 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:24:34PM +0000, Martin Tschierschke via
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
Cool. We should use this kind oft poll more often!
I like how the current majority is the bikeshedding. :-D T
I don't even understand the analogy.
Here is the background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality http://bikeshed.com/ The exact quote "Once the bikeshed is up for painting, the rainbow won't suffice." is taken from one of Andrei's posts, where he expresses frustration at the frequent bikeshedding that goes on here over the most trivial of issues. What he meant is, no matter how trivial the issue is (what color should we paint the bikeshed, metaphorically speaking), people will debate it to the death, so even if you paint it in rainbow colors -- i.e., every possible color, ostensibly to satisfy everyone's preferences -- it still won't be enough to quell the complaints. Given how frequently this situation arises around here, it's kinda an in-joke to use that as our official motto, the joke being that that's what we D people like to do: argue over what color the bikeshed should be so much that even rainbow colors won't satisfy us. T -- Claiming that your operating system is the best in the world because more people use it is like saying McDonalds makes the best food in the world. -- Carl B. Constantine
Jan 20
parent reply IGotD- <nise nise.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 19:38:53 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 Here is the background:

 	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality
 	http://bikeshed.com/

 The exact quote "Once the bikeshed is up for painting, the 
 rainbow won't suffice." is taken from one of Andrei's posts, 
 where he expresses frustration at the frequent bikeshedding 
 that goes on here over the most trivial of issues.  What he 
 meant is, no matter how trivial the issue is (what color should 
 we paint the bikeshed, metaphorically speaking), people will 
 debate it to the death, so even if you paint it in rainbow 
 colors -- i.e., every possible color, ostensibly to satisfy 
 everyone's preferences -- it still won't be enough to quell the 
 complaints.

 Given how frequently this situation arises around here, it's 
 kinda an in-joke to use that as our official motto, the joke 
 being that that's what we D people like to do: argue over what 
 color the bikeshed should be so much that even rainbow colors 
 won't satisfy us.


 T
Thank you for the explanation. I didn't expect a cynical slogan.
Jan 20
parent reply Adam D. Ruppe <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 20:07:09 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
 Thank you for the explanation. I didn't expect a cynical slogan.
I read it as saying "I don't care"....
Jan 20
parent reply user1234 <user12324 1234.de> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 20:11:40 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 20:07:09 UTC, IGotD- wrote:
 Thank you for the explanation. I didn't expect a cynical 
 slogan.
I read it as saying "I don't care"....
Indeed. "Modern convenience. Modeling power. Native efficiency" can be read as conservatism. It was the old slogan. The strong basement. "Write fast, Read fast, Run fast". can be read as orthodoxy. It's bullshit made for branding but as it's official you think it's right.
Jan 20
parent reply "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 02:24:44AM +0000, user1234 via Digitalmars-d wrote:
[...]
 "Modern convenience. Modeling power. Native efficiency" can be read as
 conservatism. It was the old slogan. The strong basement.
Actually, I read that as "the yawn-worthy slogan".
 "Write fast, Read fast, Run fast". can be read as orthodoxy. It's
 bullshit made for branding but as it's official you think it's right.
And this is the cringe-worthy slogan. Given the choice between yawn-worthy and cringe-worthy, "Once the bikeshed is up for painting, even the rainbow won't suffice" sounds like the obvious answer. T -- In theory, software is implemented according to the design that has been carefully worked out beforehand. In practice, design documents are written after the fact to describe the sorry mess that has gone on before.
Jan 20
parent Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 03:39:58 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
 Given the choice between yawn-worthy and cringe-worthy, "Once 
 the bikeshed is up for painting, even the rainbow won't 
 suffice" sounds like the obvious answer.
Same here.
Jan 21
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mark <smarksc gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
If we're going for "write fast, read fast, and run fast", shouldn't "compile fast" also be somewhere in there? :)
Jan 21
parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 11:29:20 UTC, Mark wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
If we're going for "write fast, read fast, and run fast", shouldn't "compile fast" also be somewhere in there? :)
I really liked the "yada yada yada" slogan 😀️
Jan 22
parent reply user1234 <user1234 1234.de> writes:
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020 at 10:44:07 UTC, aberba wrote:
 On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 11:29:20 UTC, Mark wrote:
 On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
If we're going for "write fast, read fast, and run fast", shouldn't "compile fast" also be somewhere in there? :)
I really liked the "yada yada yada" slogan 😀️
yeah, I can see we have common references here ;)
Jan 22
parent James Lu <jamtlu gmail.com> writes:
"write, read, run, compile, fast. ecosystem immature"
Jan 27
prev sibling parent Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 14:18:28 UTC, NX wrote:
 Let's see how it goes: https://strawpoll.com/f5z868c4
I wish those three options fit the D programming languages, but they do not. - Especially the first two...
Jan 22