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digitalmars.D - Eliminate comparison.html?

reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm 
proposing replacing

http://dlang.org/comparison.html

with

http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column 
comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a simple 
hierarchical list.

However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or redo it 
completely. Thoughts?


Andrei
Jan 17 2015
next sibling parent reply "Mathias LANG" <geod24 gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 17:32:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 
 I'm proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

 The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column 
 comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a 
 simple hierarchical list.

 However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or 
 redo it completely. Thoughts?


 Andrei


http://dlang.org/features2.html - http://dlang.org/D1toD2.html
Maybe a good step for 2015 is to get ride of those.

Regarding comparison, it feels a bit redundant with overview. 
However, your version is way easyier to "parse" than the wall of 
text in overview.
IMO, adding the missing links would make it a suitable 
replacement.
Jan 17 2015
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/17/15 9:51 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:

 On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 17:32:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm
 proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

 The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column
 comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a simple
 hierarchical list.

 However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or redo
 it completely. Thoughts?


 Andrei


 http://dlang.org/features2.html - http://dlang.org/D1toD2.html
 Maybe a good step for 2015 is to get ride of those.


Agreed. Walter?


 Regarding comparison, it feels a bit redundant with overview. However,
 your version is way easyier to "parse" than the wall of text in overview.
 IMO, adding the missing links would make it a suitable replacement.


I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and needs a 
rewrite or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at this moment, e.g. 
questions like "Why D?" etc. don't need answered anymore.


Andrei
Jan 17 2015
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/17/2015 10:04 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 1/17/15 9:51 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:

 On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 17:32:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm
 proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

 The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column
 comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a simple
 hierarchical list.

 However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or redo
 it completely. Thoughts?


 Andrei


 http://dlang.org/features2.html - http://dlang.org/D1toD2.html
 Maybe a good step for 2015 is to get ride of those.


 Agreed. Walter?


Yes.



 Regarding comparison, it feels a bit redundant with overview. However,
 your version is way easyier to "parse" than the wall of text in overview.
 IMO, adding the missing links would make it a suitable replacement.


 I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and needs a rewrite
 or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at this moment, e.g. questions like
 "Why D?" etc. don't need answered anymore.


Yes, it's an embarrassment at the moment.
Jan 17 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "MattCoder" <stop spam.com> writes:
On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 18:04:24 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and 
 needs a rewrite or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at 
 this moment, e.g. questions like "Why D?" etc. don't need 
 answered anymore.


And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so 
early 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't 
think it fit in the current standard.

Matheus.
Jan 17 2015
next sibling parent reply "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 01:05:25AM +0000, MattCoder via Digitalmars-d wrote:

 On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 18:04:24 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and needs
a rewrite or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at this moment,
e.g.  questions like "Why D?" etc. don't need answered anymore.


 
 And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so
 early 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't think
 it fit in the current standard.


Maybe it can be replaced with one of the frames from:

	http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/~hsteoh/tmp/mascot.png

:-)

I made that model in povray, btw, so if need be I can render new poses
as necessary.


T

-- 
Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Use your hands...
Jan 17 2015
parent reply "MattCoder" <stop spam.com> writes:
On Sunday, 18 January 2015 at 01:13:53 UTC, H. S. Teoh via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:

 Maybe it can be replaced with one of the frames from:

 	http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/~hsteoh/tmp/mascot.png

 :-)


Well I can see a pattern there: http://i.imgur.com/k0FpgIn.png

PS: I hope Walter don't mind! :)

Matheus.
Jan 17 2015
parent reply "MattCoder" <stop spam.com> writes:
On Sunday, 18 January 2015 at 02:33:24 UTC, MattCoder wrote:

 PS: I hope Walter don't mind! :)


*Doesn't

Matheus.
Jan 17 2015
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/17/15 6:36 PM, MattCoder wrote:

 On Sunday, 18 January 2015 at 02:33:24 UTC, MattCoder wrote:

 PS: I hope Walter don't mind! :)


 *Doesn't


Either is correct in some vernacular :o). -- Andrei
Jan 17 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent ketmar via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 01:05:25 +0000
MattCoder via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> wrote:


 On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 18:04:24 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu=20
 wrote:

 I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and=20
 needs a rewrite or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at=20
 this moment, e.g. questions like "Why D?" etc. don't need=20
 answered anymore.


=20
 And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so=20
 early 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't=20
 think it fit in the current standard.


it's fsckin' great! oh, no, not another "modern" plastic shit or
android-like chimera... it's lighthearted and promises that journey
with D will be full of fun and entertainment.
Jan 17 2015
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/17/15 5:05 PM, MattCoder wrote:

 On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 18:04:24 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 I think http://dlang.org/overview.html is long in the tooth and needs
 a rewrite or replacement. It's not appropriate for D at this moment,
 e.g. questions like "Why D?" etc. don't need answered anymore.


 And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so early
 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't think it fit in
 the current standard.

 Matheus.


Yah, we got out of teenage years. -- Andrei
Jan 17 2015
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 1/17/2015 6:19 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 1/17/15 5:05 PM, MattCoder wrote:

 And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so early
 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't think it fit in
 the current standard.


 Yah, we got out of teenage years. -- Andrei


Come on. http://golang.org/
Jan 17 2015
parent Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 1/18/15 2:48 AM, Walter Bright wrote:

 On 1/17/2015 6:19 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 1/17/15 5:05 PM, MattCoder wrote:

 And please change that logo: http://dlang.org/images/d3.png is so early
 90's. I don't mean anything wrong with that, but I don't think it fit in
 the current standard.


 Yah, we got out of teenage years. -- Andrei


 Come on. http://golang.org/


What we need is a mustachioed D sipping tea with a monacle, scoffing at 
the viewer for even daring to be on the same browser as he.

-Steve
Jan 19 2015
prev sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-01-17 19:04, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 http://dlang.org/features2.html - http://dlang.org/D1toD2.html
 Maybe a good step for 2015 is to get ride of those.


 Agreed. Walter?


Perhaps move the http://dlang.org/D1toD2.html page to the D1 site.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 18 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Saturday, January 17, 2015 09:32:43 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm
 proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

 The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column
 comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a simple
 hierarchical list.

 However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or redo it
 completely. Thoughts?


The two pages look identical to me, but it looks like that PR was merged, so
maybe what I'm seeing is your hierarchical list. But without seeing what was
there this morning, I don't know how it compares to what was there before.
At first glance, I would have thought that that page was the same that it's
been since the other languages were removed from the table.

Regardless, while the information there is good, I do think that it looks
too much like a comparison table which is missing other languages to compare
against. Ideally, we'd find a way to present that list without making it
look like a comparison table. Unfortunately, I don't think that I have a
good suggestion on how to do that, so I don't think that I'm being very
helpful. However, I _do_ think that having a page which presents an
easy-to-parse list of common language features and says whether D has them
or not is useful and that we should have it. The hard part is figuring out
how to display that information cleanly, especially if we don't want to try
and explicitly compare D with other specific languages on the page.

- Jonathan M Davis
Jan 17 2015
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-01-18 04:17, Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d wrote:


 The two pages look identical to me, but it looks like that PR was merged, so
 maybe what I'm seeing is your hierarchical list.


Oh, that's way I don't see any differences :)

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 18 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2015-01-17 18:32, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm
 proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html


I don't see any difference expect the right side menu.

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Jan 18 2015
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/18/15 5:35 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2015-01-17 18:32, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 I'm
 proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html


 I don't see any difference expect the right side menu.


Yah, that's been pulled. You can see the previous one at archive.org. -- 
Andrei
Jan 18 2015
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "desmond" <demsond dontask.me> writes:
That "D Language Feature Comparison Table" shouldn't be <center>, 
imo.
Jan 18 2015
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 1/18/15 5:58 AM, desmond wrote:

 That "D Language Feature Comparison Table" shouldn't be <center>, imo.


Well it got replaced with a list. -- Andrei
Jan 18 2015
prev sibling parent "Colin" <grogan.colin gmail.com> writes:
On Saturday, 17 January 2015 at 17:32:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 In https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/778 
 I'm proposing replacing

 http://dlang.org/comparison.html

 with

 http://erdani.com/d/comparison.html

 The silly one-column comparison was a vestige of a multi-column 
 comparison that did more harm than good. I replaced it with a 
 simple hierarchical list.

 However I wonder if we should eliminate the page altogether, or 
 redo it completely. Thoughts?


 Andrei


When viewing the http://dlang.org/comparison.html page, the nav 
tree on the left now looks like:
D 2.066.1
Download
Overview
Features
    Features

With the second features link pointing at comparison.html, and 
the second containing a list of D2 features. (features2.html)

Im guessing it's still a WIP but said I'd let you know just in 
case...
Jan 19 2015