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reply BoQsc <vaidas.boqsc gmail.com> writes:
It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI application 
it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights around 40mb, for 
Windows operating systems. (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and even 
a simple example could not be run anymore. 
(https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

I'm not aware of any other serious project that could efficiently 
provide a way to build a stable GUI.

What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform application 
with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait until there 
will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
(https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways to 
create and build a GUI D language application?
Jun 17
next sibling parent Oleg B <code.viator gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
I think you should work with gtkd, because it best alternative at this time.
Jun 17
prev sibling next sibling parent Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)
What are the signs that it would be deprecated? The maintainer has not been active on GitHub for a few months, it happens. There are several open pull requests that may help you. Maybe this one? https://github.com/buggins/dlangui/pull/601 --Bastiaan
Jun 17
prev sibling next sibling parent starcanopy <starcanopy protonmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
Check out tkd, https://github.com/nomad-software/tkd, for something akin to Tkinter.
Jun 17
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Zoadian <no no.no> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
vibe.d + vue.js works perfectly
Jun 17
next sibling parent reply Vinod K Chandran <kcvinu82 gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 12:15:07 UTC, Zoadian wrote:

 vibe.d + vue.js works perfectly
Any examples please ?
Jun 17
parent reply Suliman <evermind live.ru> writes:
There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Jun 23
parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 07:51:57 UTC, Suliman wrote:
 There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Seriously,this is it. Its checks in just about everything would like a D GUI to have. Especially CSS-like styling and slimming things down. Thanks for sharing
Jun 23
parent reply rikki cattermole <rikki cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 24/06/2020 12:17 AM, aberba wrote:
 On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 07:51:57 UTC, Suliman wrote:
 There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Seriously,this is it. Its checks in just about everything would like a D GUI to have. Especially CSS-like styling and slimming things down. Thanks for sharing
There is no dedicated event loop or windowing library underpinning it. Unfortunately this means that GtkD is still a better option.
Jun 23
next sibling parent Petar Kirov [ZombineDev] <petar.p.kirov gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 16:28:26 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
 On 24/06/2020 12:17 AM, aberba wrote:
 On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 07:51:57 UTC, Suliman wrote:
 There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Seriously,this is it. Its checks in just about everything would like a D GUI to have. Especially CSS-like styling and slimming things down. Thanks for sharing
There is no dedicated event loop or windowing library underpinning it. Unfortunately this means that GtkD is still a better option.
"PRs are welcome" :P
Jun 24
prev sibling next sibling parent M.M. <matus email.cz> writes:
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 16:28:26 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
 ...
 Unfortunately this means that GtkD is still a better option.
Why is that _unfortunate_?
Jun 24
prev sibling parent reply WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 16:28:26 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
 On 24/06/2020 12:17 AM, aberba wrote:
 On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 07:51:57 UTC, Suliman wrote:
 There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Seriously,this is it. Its checks in just about everything would like a D GUI to have. Especially CSS-like styling and slimming things down. Thanks for sharing
There is no dedicated event loop or windowing library underpinning it. [...]
it's using SDL, X11 or Win32, waiting for messages using the platform specific event loops there. Where did you get your assumption there from or what do you mean if you don't mean these event loops but some other event loop?
Jun 24
parent rikki cattermole <rikki cattermole.co.nz> writes:
On 25/06/2020 2:09 AM, WebFreak001 wrote:
 On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 16:28:26 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:
 On 24/06/2020 12:17 AM, aberba wrote:
 On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 07:51:57 UTC, Suliman wrote:
 There is also https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Seriously,this is it. Its checks in just about everything would like a D GUI to have. Especially CSS-like styling and slimming things down. Thanks for sharing
There is no dedicated event loop or windowing library underpinning it. [...]
it's using SDL, X11 or Win32, waiting for messages using the platform specific event loops there. Where did you get your assumption there from or what do you mean if you don't mean these event loops but some other event loop?
SDL is the only backend that is capable of you interacting with the event loop itself in a meaningful way. However it wasn't designed for the majority of use cases, a very narrow set. While useful, it has significant limitations. Being able to wait and get system windowing library events is always required and each backend is capable of doing that. But that doesn't mean it'll play nicely with threads, shared libraries (like X11) or other event loops.
Jun 24
prev sibling parent reply Greatsam4sure <greatsam4sure yahoo.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 12:15:07 UTC, Zoadian wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
vibe.d + vue.js works perfectly
Can you point to a url or tutorial of how to combine vibe.d and vue.js to build a desktop app than can work on all operative system. I am really interested in this. I will appreciate your reply
Jun 19
next sibling parent reply Jan =?UTF-8?B?SMO2bmln?= <hrominium gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 19 June 2020 at 07:46:02 UTC, Greatsam4sure wrote:
 Can you point to a url or tutorial of how to combine vibe.d and 
 vue.js to build a desktop app than can work on all operative 
 system. I am really interested in this. I will appreciate your 
 reply
dito
Jun 19
parent Andre Pany <andre s-e-a-p.de> writes:
On Friday, 19 June 2020 at 09:10:54 UTC, Jan Hönig wrote:
 On Friday, 19 June 2020 at 07:46:02 UTC, Greatsam4sure wrote:
 Can you point to a url or tutorial of how to combine vibe.d 
 and vue.js to build a desktop app than can work on all 
 operative system. I am really interested in this. I will 
 appreciate your reply
dito
I was really positive suprised to find a dub package for vue and other libraries like sapui5. https://code.dlang.org/packages/uim-vue Unfortunately, there is not much explanation / samples. I will create an issue and ask for them. Kind regards André
Jun 19
prev sibling parent Zoadian <no no.no> writes:
On Friday, 19 June 2020 at 07:46:02 UTC, Greatsam4sure wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 12:15:07 UTC, Zoadian wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other 
 ways to create and build a GUI D language application?
vibe.d + vue.js works perfectly
Can you point to a url or tutorial of how to combine vibe.d and vue.js to build a desktop app than can work on all operative system. I am really interested in this. I will appreciate your reply
Sry I dont have any examples I could share. You would build your application as any other vue.js app. Best to look at their documentation. Vibe.d is only used a a web server. You could use arsd or other libs for that too. Finally I use chromium embedded framework to make it a native app. See https://github.com/Zoadian/cefBasedViewerExample for an simple example. (Only supports minimum cef functionality for now)
Jun 19
prev sibling next sibling parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
We're just waiting for a hero to make that happen. DLangUI is the most promising pure D GUI but being based on a single individual's effort doesn't help get it there yet. It also tried to do too much instead of a modern and simple approach...more modular and customisable to enable others to build atop.
Jun 17
parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 19:54:58 UTC, aberba wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 [...]
We're just waiting for a hero to make that happen. DLangUI is the most promising pure D GUI but being based on a single individual's effort doesn't help get it there yet. It also tried to do too much instead of a modern and simple approach...more modular and customisable to enable others to build atop.
Some here said they, as in their company/startup, were working on a D GUI project but that hasn't happened yet. There's independent efforts here and there but none has really gotten there... enough for building a compelling cross-platform product
Jun 17
parent reply Bastiaan Veelo <Bastiaan Veelo.net> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 19:59:15 UTC, aberba wrote:
 Some here said they, as in their company/startup, were working 
 on a D GUI project but that hasn't happened yet.
You are probably referring to https://forum.dlang.org/post/qbsg7d$11s3$1 digitalmars.com --Bastiaan
Jun 17
parent reply Liu <liiudk gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 20:38:38 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 19:59:15 UTC, aberba wrote:
 Some here said they, as in their company/startup, were working 
 on a D GUI project but that hasn't happened yet.
You are probably referring to https://forum.dlang.org/post/qbsg7d$11s3$1 digitalmars.com --Bastiaan
Is he going to write a whole GUI framework from scratch? like Qt?
Jun 17
parent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Robert_M._M=FCnch?= <robert.muench saphirion.com> writes:
On 2020-06-17 21:13:37 +0000, Liu said:

 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 20:38:38 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote:
 On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 19:59:15 UTC, aberba wrote:
 Some here said they, as in their company/startup, were working on a D 
 GUI project but that hasn't happened yet.
You are probably referring to https://forum.dlang.org/post/qbsg7d$11s3$1 digitalmars.com --Bastiaan
Is he going to write a whole GUI framework from scratch? like Qt?
Since that's us I can reply... Yes, this whole thing is from scratch. Mainly because we don't care about any OS specific widgets. We just use the window as a canvas container and from there one do it on our own. We used this approach in the past and it was one of the best decisions. Zero dependencies, one file executable. We do this, because we want to port our product to a new tech-stack. But, as you can imagine, still a long way to go. We start doing some internal tools which can be CLI or GUI based to gain more experience. Overall, the framework parts are working well together. The framework design works and is very flexible. So, no walls hit so far. Focus is on extending the widgets functionality and features step-by-step. We do as we move forward and do the refactoring while learning how to implement things best. Here is a new teaser: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jjefzyneqnxr7pb/dgui_teaser-1.mp4 So, we added 9-patch image support for widget styling. -- Robert M. Mnch http://www.saphirion.com smarter | better | faster
Jun 22
prev sibling next sibling parent Ernesto Castellotti <erny.castell gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
You can link the GtkD interface statically (if you use dub it already does) and load the GTK DLL at runtime which you can distribute directly within your program folder. I don't think size is a problem, any software that uses gtk or qt on Windows requires about the same amount of space
Jun 18
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2020-06-17 12:33, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI application it 
 requires a preinstalled runtime that weights around 40mb, for Windows 
 operating systems. (https://gtkd.org/download.html)
 
 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and even a 
 simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)
 
 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could efficiently 
 provide a way to build a stable GUI.
 
 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform application with 
 graphical user interface in D? Should I wait until there will be better 
 maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways to create 
 and build a GUI D language application?
DWT [1] is available as well. It supports Windows and Linux (GTK). On Windows no additional libraries are required at runtime, besides the system libraries already installed. [1] https://github.com/d-widget-toolkit/dwt -- /Jacob Carlborg
Jun 20
prev sibling next sibling parent Yhzhao <zyhm qq.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
have a try https://github.com/aboray/dlangui
Jun 20
prev sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?0JLQuNGC0LDQu9C40Lkg0KTQsNC0?= =?UTF-8?B?0LXQtdCy?= writes:
On Wednesday, 17 June 2020 at 10:33:36 UTC, BoQsc wrote:
 It seems that by using gtkd project to build your GUI 
 application it requires a preinstalled runtime that weights 
 around 40mb, for Windows operating systems. 
 (https://gtkd.org/download.html)

 A Dlang UI GUI project by Buggins seems to be deprecated and 
 even a simple example could not be run anymore. 
 (https://github.com/buggins/dlangui)

 I'm not aware of any other serious project that could 
 efficiently provide a way to build a stable GUI.

 What should I do if I want to write a cross-platform 
 application with graphical user interface in D? Should I wait 
 until there will be better maintained libraries listed on the 
 (https://wiki.dlang.org/GUI_Libraries) or there are other ways 
 to create and build a GUI D language application?
What about Sciter ? Site: https://sciter.com/ D: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/Sciter-Dport
Jun 24
parent reply =?utf-8?Q?Robert_M._M=C3=BCnch?= <robert.muench saphirion.com> writes:
On 2020-06-25 03:33:23 +0000, Виталий Фадеев said:

 What about Sciter ?
 
 Site: https://sciter.com/
 
 D: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/Sciter-Dport
It looks interesting but I never tried it. Any experience with it? -- Robert M. Münch http://www.saphirion.com smarter | better | faster
Jun 25
parent reply c-smile <andrew sciter.com> writes:
On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch wrote:
 On 2020-06-25 03:33:23 +0000, Виталий Фадеев said:

 What about Sciter ?
 
 Site: https://sciter.com/
 
 D: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/Sciter-Dport
It looks interesting but I never tried it. Any experience with it?
Sciter's author here. Sciter API is pretty compact, it is exposed from sciter.dll as a structure ( https://github.com/c-smile/sciter-sdk/blob/master/include/sciter-x-api.h#L50 ) and normally application use 20-30 functions of it. Sciter is perfectly suitable for D. D integration was one of design targets from the very beginning. Below is slightly orthogonal to the question, just thoughts, my pardon. Just in case, initially Sciter was meant to be written in D. Here is the story: https://sciter.com/10-years-road-to-sciter/ I still think that among native languages D lang is the most suitable one for GUI development. GC is the must for UI if to consider complex ownership graphs that frequently contain loops. Having said that, it is possible but quite hard to make an embeddable/shared (to other systems) GUI engine in D, for very same reason as the above. The most feasible approach, I think, is along the lines of my Quark project ( https://quark.sciter.com ) - self- sufficient executables that contain GUI engine linked statically. If to consider a "perfect and modern D GUI library": 1. It should have unified DOM serializable to HTML/XHTML. There are many good reasons for that, from Accessibility (a.k.a. Section 508), to things like enabling React alike functionality and JSX. D syntax may even support JSX natively in the way I did in Sciter's script: https://sciter.com/docs/content/script/language/ssx.htm 2. It should be style-able, so is CSS or its subset. It is again flexible and 95% UI developers know it already. Style-ability here means not just colors but flexibility and configurability of element flows (layout manager in Java AWT terms). 3. It shall use GPU rendering as much as possible. That's the must for high-DPI monitors. 4. Implementation shall be compact - each D GUI application will include it statically and compilations time shall be short. Please let me know if someone will start doing anything close to the the above in D - I can help.
Jun 28
next sibling parent reply aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
 On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch 
 wrote:
 [...]
Sciter's author here. [...]
You may check out BeamUI written in 100% D. It's the closest I've seen to what you may be talking about. https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Jun 28
parent c-smile <andrew sciter.com> writes:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 00:04:31 UTC, aberba wrote:
 On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
 On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch 
 wrote:
 [...]
Sciter's author here. [...]
You may check out BeamUI written in 100% D. It's the closest I've seen to what you may be talking about. https://github.com/dayllenger/beamui
Very interesting project and tremendous amount of work, my deepest regards. thanks a lot for the link.
Jun 29
prev sibling next sibling parent =?iso-8859-1?Q?Robert_M._M=FCnch?= <robert.muench saphirion.com> writes:
On 2020-06-28 18:01:08 +0000, c-smile said:

 Sciter's author here.
Hi Andrew, thank for jumping-in.
 Sciter API is pretty compact, it is exposed from sciter.dll as a 
 structure ( 
 https://github.com/c-smile/sciter-sdk/blob/master/include/sciter-x-api.h#L50 
 ) and normally application use 20-30 functions of it. Sciter is 
 perfectly suitable for D. D integration was one of design targets from 
 the very beginning.
I didn't know that D was taken into account for Sciter nor that it's well suited to work with D. Might be a good addition to your web-page (if it's not already there and I overlooked it). So, this means, that all the embedding principals work with D too?
 Just in case, initially Sciter was meant to be written in D. Here is 
 the story: https://sciter.com/10-years-road-to-sciter/
Oh, cool. Again, if this thing is so good integrated with D, that should be made more public.
 I still think that among native languages D lang is the most suitable 
 one for GUI development. GC is the must for UI if to consider complex 
 ownership graphs that frequently contain loops.
I agree... it feels very natural to do such frameworks in D.
 Having said that, it is possible but quite hard to make an 
 embeddable/shared (to other systems) GUI engine in D, for very same 
 reason as the above. The most feasible approach, I think, is along the 
 lines of my Quark project ( https://quark.sciter.com ) - self- 
 sufficient executables that contain GUI engine linked statically.
That's a very interesting thing! I have some questions: * Our goals is to create a zero-dependency standalone EXE application. As I read this, this is possible? We would have additional D/C code we want to all "link" statically. * Does quark does anything against reverse engineering? I mean, all the script stuff is very nice, but we have to be sure, things are not changed, extracted, etc. * Is the scriping engine, which seems to be genuinly done from scratch, fully JS compatible? Or how does it fit into the overall web-stack space? Can exteranl frameworks be used, too? Or do these need some Sciter specific adjustments?
 If to consider a "perfect and modern D GUI library":
 
 1. It should have unified DOM serializable to HTML/XHTML. There are 
 many good reasons for that, from Accessibility (a.k.a. Section 508), to 
 things like enabling React alike functionality and JSX. D syntax may 
 even support JSX natively in the way I did in Sciter's script: 
 https://sciter.com/docs/content/script/language/ssx.htm
I always see two parts: 1. The "how to code it" part, which should use a declarative DSL that integrates with the rest of the D application code pretty simple and without any friction. If there HTML/CSS/JS is the best combo, could be discussed. At the end of the day, I think this is all more about taste than technological superiority. 2. The "how to display" part. I prefer to have a GUI toolkit, that doesn't use any native widgets, instead just renders the stuff the app needs. I want access from high-level abstraction to low-levels, so I can get in between and do whatever is required for my app.
 2. It should be style-able, so is CSS or its subset. It is again 
 flexible and 95% UI developers know it already. Style-ability here 
 means not just colors but flexibility and configurability of element 
 flows (layout manager in Java AWT terms).
Agree, again, if this is CSS or something else, can be discussed. But of course you are right, that more and more people know this CSS stuff, it doesn't make a lot of sense to reinvent the wheel.
 3. It shall use GPU rendering as much as possible. That's the must for 
 high-DPI monitors.
Yes. Or have a very sophisticated, hight speed sofware renderer.
 4. Implementation shall be compact - each D GUI application will 
 include it statically and compilations time shall be short.
Yep!
 Please let me know if someone will start doing anything close to the 
 the above in D - I can help.
I might turn this the other way and take a deeper look into what you have. Beside, doing a GUI library is a fun project, I have a clear business use-case behind it. Going to PM you for more details, that might not be that interesting for the community. -- Robert M. Mnch http://www.saphirion.com smarter | better | faster
Jun 29
prev sibling next sibling parent Paolo Invernizzi <paolo.invernizzi gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
 On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch 
 wrote:
 [...]
Sciter's author here. [...]
We toyed with Armonia a lot, I remember the DOM tree was stored in a single dynamic array, with function to traverse it ... It was a really cool framework!
Jun 29
prev sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?0JLQuNGC0LDQu9C40Lkg0KTQsNC0?= =?UTF-8?B?0LXQtdCy?= writes:
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
 On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch 
 wrote:
 On 2020-06-25 03:33:23 +0000, Виталий Фадеев said:

 What about Sciter ?
 
 Site: https://sciter.com/
 
 D: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/Sciter-Dport
It looks interesting but I never tried it. Any experience with it?
Sciter's author here. If to consider a "perfect and modern D GUI library": 1. It should have unified DOM serializable to HTML/XHTML. There are many good reasons for that, from Accessibility (a.k.a. Section 508), to things like enabling React alike functionality and JSX. D syntax may even support JSX natively in the way I did in Sciter's script: https://sciter.com/docs/content/script/language/ssx.htm 2. It should be style-able, so is CSS or its subset. It is again flexible and 95% UI developers know it already. Style-ability here means not just colors but flexibility and configurability of element flows (layout manager in Java AWT terms). 3. It shall use GPU rendering as much as possible. That's the must for high-DPI monitors. 4. Implementation shall be compact - each D GUI application will include it statically and compilations time shall be short.
 Please let me know if someone will start doing anything close 
 to the the above in D - I can help.
I do. Everything goes well. 1. HTML will be later, JSX not planned. Idea is to use native D language. Like this: void main() { with ( new App ) { with ( CR!Screen ) { with ( CR!Window ) { with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "row"; with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "c1/3 menu"; } with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "c2/3 search center"; } with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "c3/3 indicators right"; } } with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "row"; with ( CR!Element ) { classes ~= "c1/1 video center"; } } } } } } 2. CSS, of course :) There will be a function for style. And destylization. Like this: struct Style { string className; CHECKER[] checkers; STYLER styler; UNSTYLER unstyler; uint weight; } using: styles ~= new Style( "row", [], ( ElementStyled* element ) { element.width = "parent"; }); And CSS. How we all love. Like this: .row { width: 100%; } 3. Windows GDI as main concept. For using on Android will be OpenGL. Will be surface backend. Like this: interface ISurface { void BeginPaint ( ); void RelArea ( AREA relArea ); void AbsArea ( AREA absArea ); void Path ( POINT[] points ); void Color ( COLOR color ); void Style ( LINE_STYLE style ); void Weight ( WEIGHT weight ); void Font ( FONT font ); void Fill ( ); void Stroke ( ); void MoveTo ( int x, int y ); void LineTo ( int x, int y ); void AngleArc ( int cx, int cy, int r, float startAngle, float sweepAngle, int direction ); void Char ( wchar c ); void Text ( string text ); void Image ( Image image ); void EndPaint ( ); } This is past version. Now I think it will be easier Screen / Window / GPU-Backend. I want keep small Node / Element. And want to use Window as Element in DocTree. It will be beautiful. and I want to keep the principle of similarity. 4. Here we have: clibs + D runtime + Phobos. We’ll come up with something later... I want beauty & fast Windows Shell! I want beauty & fast Windows Open/Save/Select folder dialogs! I want beauty & fast Windows file manager! I want beauty & fast Windows applications! I want beauty & fast & usable Android Offline Maps! And I love Linux & I want also on Linux! )
Jun 29
next sibling parent aberba <karabutaworld gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 13:14:04 UTC, Виталий Фадеев wrote:
 On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
[...]
 [...]
I do. Everything goes well. [...]
This reads pretty awesome.
Jun 29
prev sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?0JLQuNGC0LDQu9C40Lkg0KTQsNC0?= =?UTF-8?B?0LXQtdCy?= writes:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 13:14:04 UTC, Виталий Фадеев wrote:
 On Sunday, 28 June 2020 at 18:01:08 UTC, c-smile wrote:
 On Thursday, 25 June 2020 at 20:42:25 UTC, Robert M. Münch 
 wrote:
 On 2020-06-25 03:33:23 +0000, Виталий Фадеев said:

 What about Sciter ?
 
 Site: https://sciter.com/
 
 D: https://github.com/sciter-sdk/Sciter-Dport
It looks interesting but I never tried it. Any experience with it?
Sciter's author here. If to consider a "perfect and modern D GUI library": 1. It should have unified DOM serializable to HTML/XHTML. There are many good reasons for that, from Accessibility (a.k.a. Section 508), to things like enabling React alike functionality and JSX. D syntax may even support JSX natively in the way I did in Sciter's script: https://sciter.com/docs/content/script/language/ssx.htm 2. It should be style-able, so is CSS or its subset. It is again flexible and 95% UI developers know it already. Style-ability here means not just colors but flexibility and configurability of element flows (layout manager in Java AWT terms). 3. It shall use GPU rendering as much as possible. That's the must for high-DPI monitors. 4. Implementation shall be compact - each D GUI application will include it statically and compilations time shall be short.
 Please let me know if someone will start doing anything close 
 to the the above in D - I can help.
In first version was GC. It gived many time for experiments. GC take on self dirty work. Now Node/Element will like this: struct Node { Node* parent; Node* firstChild; Node* lastChild; Node* prev; Node* next; } struct Element { Node node; alias node this; // Properties props; // Element properties Properties style; // Style properties // Computed computed; // <-- after Apply Style and Update. Initial Properties + Style Properties + Element Properties // Node* g; // Window // Eventer!( MouseEvent ) onMouseMove; Eventer!( MouseEvent ) onMouseButton; Eventer!( KeyEvent ) onKey; Eventer!( ClickEvent ) onClick; Eventer!( SizeEvent ) onResize; // uint updateStamp; } Robert ( c-smile ), 1. How you see best Node / Element structure ?
Jun 29
parent c-smile <andrew sciter.com> writes:
On Monday, 29 June 2020 at 14:34:45 UTC, Виталий Фадеев wrote:

 Now Node/Element will like this:

 struct Node
 {
     Node* parent;
     Node* firstChild;
     Node* lastChild;
     Node* prev;
     Node* next;
 }


 struct Element
 {
     Node node;

     alias node this;

     //
     Properties props; // Element properties
     Properties style; // Style properties

     //
     Computed computed;  // <-- after Apply Style and Update. 
 Initial Properties + Style Properties + Element Properties

     //
     Node* g; // Window

     //
     Eventer!( MouseEvent ) onMouseMove;
     Eventer!( MouseEvent ) onMouseButton;
     Eventer!( KeyEvent   ) onKey;
     Eventer!( ClickEvent ) onClick;
     Eventer!( SizeEvent  ) onResize;

     //
     uint updateStamp;
 }

 Robert ( c-smile ),
 1. How you see best Node / Element structure ?
Best Node/Element structure is debatable and depends on design goals. Here is Sciter's DOM tree representation struct node: resource // reference counted entity { weak_handle<element> parent; weak_handle<element> layout_parent; // normally parent, but can be different uint node_index; // index in element::nodes collection }; struct text : public node {...}; struct comment : public node {...}; struct element: node { tag::symbol_t tag; // #div, #p, #span, etc. attribute_bag atts; // DOM attributes ui_state state; // :focus, :hover, :active, etc. vector<hnode> nodes; // child nodes handle<layout_data> ldata; // "rendering tree" data hstyle c_style; // current used style hstyle p_style; // previously used style hstyle d_style; // defined/determined style - computed from CSS // declarations hstyle_prop_map a_style; // assigned style, can be null - element.style["..."] = ...; hstyle p_drawn_style; // previously drawn style, for animation triggering handle<animation> animator; // list of animators handle<ctl> behavior; // event handlers a.k.a. behaviors }; struct element in Sciter supports dynamic subclassing ( explained here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21212379/changing-vtbl-of-existing-object-on-the-fly dynamic-subclassing ) So, depending on style applied, particular element can be switched to (may have VTBL of derived class) element_vertical // flex element_horizontal // flex element_grid // grid, flex element_text // text container, like <p> element_table element_table_body element_table_row etc.
Jun 29