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digitalmars.D - Closed development with Trello?

reply simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
D has been following a very open development process.
There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?) have  
been moved to Trello.
It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search for  
boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?
Apr 20 2012
next sibling parent Jens Mueller <jens.k.mueller gmx.de> writes:
simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even
 search for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong
 direction.
 
 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


It seems the boards can be made public (see Public Boards).
https://trello.com/#board/trello-development/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c

Jens
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Don Clugston <dac nospam.com> writes:
On 20/04/12 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


Nothing is happening on Trello AFAIK.
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBSw7hubmUgUGV0ZXJzZW4=?= <xtzgzorex gmail.com> writes:
On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

Andrei?

-- 
- Alex
Apr 20 2012
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex Rønne Petersen wrote:

 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


 The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

 Andrei?


Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that I 
don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

Andrei
Apr 20 2012
next sibling parent simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:41:20 +0200, Andrei Alexandrescu  =

<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:

 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github=






.

 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)=







 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even searc=






h

 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


 The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

 Andrei?


 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that=


 I  =


 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.

 Andrei


Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.com=
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2012-04-20 15:41, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:


 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that I
 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.


Would you like to share the link(s) as well?

-- 
/Jacob Carlborg
Apr 20 2012
prev sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  =

<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:

 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github=






.

 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)=







 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even searc=






h

 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


 The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

 Andrei?


 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that=


 I  =


 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.


Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin.  I see you did  =

actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at.

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrot=
e:


 Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.c=


om

huh?  I see a search box up top?  I didn't even know you could do a link=
...

try searching for dlang

-Steve
Apr 20 2012
parent reply simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:31:59 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer  =

<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  =



 <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:


 On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=C3=B8nne Petersen wrote:

 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:

 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and githu=








b.

 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?=








)

 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even sear=








ch

 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


 The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

 Andrei?


 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note tha=




t  =


 I don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.


 Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin.  I see you did=


  =


 actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at.

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  =



 wrote:


 Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.=




com

 huh?  I see a search box up top?  I didn't even know you could do a  =



 link...

 try searching for dlang

 -Steve


"No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No=
  =

global search.
Apr 20 2012
next sibling parent Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:31:59 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer <
 schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

  On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:41:20 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu <

 SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org**> wrote:

  On 4/20/12 4:45 AM, Alex R=F8nne Petersen wrote:

 On 20-04-2012 11:11, simendsjo wrote:


 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)
 have been moved to Trello.
 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


 The intention was to actually open the boards now, AFAIK.

 Andrei?


 Opened all boards I own for viewing, voting, and commenting. Note that =






I

 don't own the Phobos review queue board so I could not edit it.


 Hm... I created the board, but I added you as an admin.  I see you did
 actually open it up, so it should be open for people to look at.

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:50:23 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>
 wrote:

  Thanks. Still need a link as there isn't a search function at trello.co=




m


 huh?  I see a search box up top?  I didn't even know you could do a
 link...

 try searching for dlang

 -Steve


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No
 global search.


I found the roadmap:
https://trello.com/board/roadmap/4f15dd5edc12a90c6f172baa

There's a 2.058 board too:
https://trello.com/board/2-058-started-2011-12-13-2751-issues-of-which-25-r=
egressions-18-blocker-45-critical-158-major/4f1b347378e9431a08005917


I use Trello's own development board model (slightly modified) at work and
my bosses and I all seem to like it.  I think it's better than the one
board per version approach as it handles progress on something that doesn't
get completed in time for a release. Take a look at it here:

https://trello.com/board/trello-development/4d5ea62fd76aa1136000000c



 Apr 20 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com>  writes:


On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in. No  
 global search.


That's kind of silly.  What is the point of having public boards if you  
can't find them?

I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in  
searches.  I wonder if we can make it public...  Andrei?  I think that's  
the problem.

Brad found two boards for d, I'm assuming by searching for members.  It  
appears that no boards show up in searches.  But if dlang shows up after  
we make it public, that's a moot issue.

Aside from the ones you found, Brad, there is:  
https://trello.com/board/phobos-review-queue/4f33d3c6542c156960533efb

and the one for the 2.059 release, which is marked as private.

If whoever owns the organization wants to give me admin rights I'll gladly  
help maintain these sorts of things.  I probably won't be creating release  
boards, but I can help manage members and make sure the permissions are  
set properly.

-Steve



 Apr 20 2012



  parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  writes:


On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.


 That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you
 can't find them?

 I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in
 searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's
 the problem.


Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through.

Andrei



 Apr 20 2012



 next sibling parent reply "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net>  writes:


On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo 
 <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are 
 involved in.
 No global search.


 That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public 
 boards if you
 can't find them?

 I found under the guide that private organizations will not 
 show up in
 searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think 
 that's
 the problem.


 Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through.

 Andrei


And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" 
still doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even 
for).

Regards,
Brad Anderson



 Apr 20 2012



  parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com>  writes:


On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:44:16 -0400, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:


 On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  
 wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.


 That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you
 can't find them?

 I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in
 searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's
 the problem.


 Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through.

 Andrei


 And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" still  
 doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even for).


Cool (about the dlang, that's an easy-to-use link).  I agree, the search  
is largely useless for finding things you don't know about.  But I think  
it does search in boards/cards/orgs you belong to.

There should *definitely* be a way to search for public orgs.

This link should probably be put on dlang.org somewhere...

-Steve



 Apr 20 2012



  parent  simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  writes:


On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:50:30 +0200, Steven Schveighoffer  
<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:


 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:44:16 -0400, Brad Anderson <eco gnuk.net> wrote:


 On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com>  
 wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are involved in.
 No global search.


 That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public boards if you
 can't find them?

 I found under the guide that private organizations will not show up in
 searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think that's
 the problem.


 Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through.

 Andrei


 And here is the link: https://trello.com/dlang (searching "dlang" still  
 doesn't pull up anything...not sure what the search is even for).


 Cool (about the dlang, that's an easy-to-use link).  I agree, the search  
 is largely useless for finding things you don't know about.  But I think  
 it does search in boards/cards/orgs you belong to.

 There should *definitely* be a way to search for public orgs.

 This link should probably be put on dlang.org somewhere...

 -Steve


A quite questionable design to not let public boards be searchable..
The Community section of dlang.org has links to github, wiki, forums,  
review queue etc.
What about replacing "Review Queue" to link to trello with a new text:  
"Development" or "Language and Library Development"?



 Apr 20 2012



prev sibling  parent reply "Jonas Drewsen" <jdrewsen nospam.com>  writes:


On Friday, 20 April 2012 at 20:42:43 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
wrote:

 On 4/20/12 2:18 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:39:05 -0400, simendsjo 
 <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 "No results". It seems to only search for boards you are 
 involved in.
 No global search.


 That's kind of silly. What is the point of having public 
 boards if you
 can't find them?

 I found under the guide that private organizations will not 
 show up in
 searches. I wonder if we can make it public... Andrei? I think 
 that's
 the problem.


 Ah, aha! I made the org public. Thanks for following through.

 Andrei


I tried to add myself to the review manager volunteer card. It 
seems I have to be member of the org in order to do that. Can you 
add me?

/Jonas (trello member: Jonas Drewsen)



 Apr 24 2012



  parent  "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com>  writes:


On Tuesday, 24 April 2012 at 08:43:18 UTC, Jonas Drewsen wrote:

 I tried to add myself to the review manager volunteer card. It 
 seems I have to be member of the org in order to do that. Can 
 you add me?


I was going to add you, but looks like you are already added 
(Andrei must have done it).

You can be added to the Phobos review board without being a 
member of dlang, but only if an admin of that board does it.  The 
setting is that only members of the organization can add 
*themselves* to the board but an admin can always add anyone.  I 
think this makes sense, if you disagree, let's discuss!

-Steve



 Apr 24 2012



prev sibling  parent  "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com>  writes:


On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 05:11:14 -0400, simendsjo <simendsjo gmail.com> wrote:


 D has been following a very open development process.
 There are public newsgroups, mailinglists, wiki, bugzilla and github.
 But as I understand, much development discussions (and/or planning?)  
 have been moved to Trello.


Don't kid yourself, people have yet AFAIK to use trello very much.  Which  
is kind of disappointing, it's a nice tool.


 It doesn't seem to be a way to join in as a spectator (or even search  
 for boards), and it feels like a big step in the wrong direction.

 Is it possible to make the Trello part open too?


I think it can be made open for viewing even if it's not open for  
changing.  You'd have to consult Andrei, as he owns all the boards.

-Steve



 Apr 20 2012