digitalmars.D - Change D's brand color to blue.
- James Lu (13/13) Jan 12 2020 As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step
- Ferhat =?UTF-8?B?S3VydHVsbXXFnw==?= (2/15) Jan 12 2020 I agree with this.
- norm (3/6) Jan 12 2020 Blue is boring, make it green.
- user5678 (3/10) Jan 13 2020 Nah... what we need is Mustard
- berni44 (12/15) Jan 12 2020 I suggested a similar thing a few weeks ago [1]. Since then I
- rikki cattermole (3/18) Jan 13 2020 I would be ok with this particular change and it fits nicely now that we...
- Joseph Rushton Wakeling (6/7) Jan 13 2020 "It waved above our infant might,
- Chris (14/28) Jan 13 2020 Sorry to say that, but if you've followed D over the years, it
- Chris Katko (14/17) Jan 13 2020 Oh. My. God.
- Chris Katko (8/8) Jan 13 2020 Actual ways to improve D's branding involve actual work:
- tsbockman (23/25) Jan 13 2020 I'd like to add "finish half-baked features" and "improve
- Bastiaan Veelo (5/19) Jan 13 2020 Thanks for pointing that out.
- Ozan (2/6) Jan 23 2020 Agree. Blue is boring like Big blue (also boring).
- =?UTF-8?B?UmVuw6k=?= Heldmaier (17/23) Jan 13 2020 Red is the colour of Coca Cola and Ferrari. You could say: "D is
- matheus (4/7) Jan 13 2020 A lot:
- Bastiaan Veelo (5/13) Jan 13 2020 Nah, they tried a new font a century ago, then restored the
- H. S. Teoh (10/13) Jan 13 2020 [...]
- Dominikus Dittes Scherkl (4/5) Jan 13 2020 Yeah, I've heard of rust. It's that bad thingy that accumulates
- Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQ=?= (8/14) Jan 13 2020 Brown is clearly the default programming colour.
- Jonathan Marler (2/15) Jan 13 2020 Let the "bikeshedding" begin.
- Joseph Rushton Wakeling (2/3) Jan 13 2020 Honestly, the whole discussion is making me see red :-)
- H. S. Teoh (9/13) Jan 13 2020 Once the bikeshed is up for painting, the rainbow won't suffice.
- uranuz (11/24) Jan 13 2020 No thanks. Blue is a corporate color. I got sick of if already.
- VladimirP (6/6) Jan 13 2020 Do you want to start a new war? Have you thought about how our
- Martin Brezel (7/10) Jan 13 2020 Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes
- Timon Gehr (2/3) Jan 13 2020 :-(
- =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= (4/7) Jan 13 2020 D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site
- IGotD- (4/11) Jan 13 2020 Let's not change the D-man, also it is also not used that much.
- Alexandru Ermicioi (9/19) Jan 13 2020 About D-man and D letter you are wrong. It perfectly fits in
- Martin Brezel (13/20) Jan 14 2020 :D You mean like the DConf 2018 Logo?
- =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= (10/21) Jan 14 2020 It shows how all of us are different: I never liked that logo or its=20
- Martin Brezel (8/11) Jan 14 2020 I agree and I get the humor. But: it is kind of a insider joke -
- Timon Gehr (3/12) Jan 14 2020 It is my opinion that we do not need to market towards people who would
- James Lu (5/10) Jan 27 2020 Perhaps some on-the-ground surveys of industry users of various
- James Lu (2/8) Jan 27 2020 I agree here.
- ShadoLight (6/8) Jan 15 2020 The D'mand that D-man be D'monized like he is some kind of
- Jan =?UTF-8?B?SMO2bmln?= (13/13) Jan 20 2020 I think the color red is fine. It sands out and feels nice and
- IGotD- (14/27) Jan 20 2020 No mascot, no Mascot, NO MASCOT. Let's not go in those immature
- BoraxMan (4/6) Jan 21 2020 Like Tux, or Beastie, or Freddie Mailchip, or that Android Robot?
- JN (4/7) Jan 21 2020 I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun.
- rikki cattermole (3/12) Jan 21 2020 We should only do it, if we wanted to do a full rebranding.
- Simen =?UTF-8?B?S2rDpnLDpXM=?= (5/17) Jan 21 2020 We could just give safeD a blue D logo?
- log mout (11/11) Apr 03 2020 The over 1 billion Chinese people in the world see red as luck,
- H. S. Teoh (12/19) Apr 03 2020 [...]
As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated with systems programming language, which is what D desires to be. Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.
Jan 12 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated with systems programming language, which is what D desires to be. Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.I agree with this.
Jan 12 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:25:45 UTC, Ferhat KurtulmuÅŸ wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Blue is boring, make it green.[...]I agree with this.
Jan 12 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:28:23 UTC, norm wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 06:25:45 UTC, Ferhat KurtulmuÅŸ wrote:Nah... what we need is Mustard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard_(color)On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Blue is boring, make it green.[...]I agree with this.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.I suggested a similar thing a few weeks ago [1]. Since then I pondered from time to time about this and meanwhile I think, it isn't necessary to give up on red (which has historic reasons: D was called Mars in former days). But I'd suggest to change the color of the links on the website to blue - from the perspective of a designer it's an optimum second color to red (so called 120°-color). This would make allready a huge difference. I actually wanted to file a PR, but have not found the time to do so (or more correct: other things were more important to me). [1] https://forum.dlang.org/thread/aezgbwcfrfvzvewjeodw forum.dlang.org
Jan 12 2020
On 13/01/2020 8:46 PM, berni44 wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:I would be ok with this particular change and it fits nicely now that we know Mars has water on it.As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.I suggested a similar thing a few weeks ago [1]. Since then I pondered from time to time about this and meanwhile I think, it isn't necessary to give up on red (which has historic reasons: D was called Mars in former days). But I'd suggest to change the color of the links on the website to blue - from the perspective of a designer it's an optimum second color to red (so called 120°-color). This would make allready a huge difference. I actually wanted to file a PR, but have not found the time to do so (or more correct: other things were more important to me). [1] https://forum.dlang.org/thread/aezgbwcfrfvzvewjeodw forum.dlang.org
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action."It waved above our infant might, When all ahead seemed dark as night; It witnessed many a deed and vow, We must not change its colour now." ;-)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action.Sorry to say that, but if you've followed D over the years, it seems to be an appropriate color. [1]Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some people have of GC.Why GC in particular? Also, the color blue wouldn't change the fact that D has inbuilt GC and that some people are suspicious of GC (not me though). I don't think a C++ programmer will say "Uh, now that it's blue, maybe GC ain't such a bad thing after all". ;-)In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated with systems programming language, which is what D desires to be.Again, it's not the color but the culture of the language. You cannot change that by using a different color. You'll also have to deliver "stability, harmony, and trust". Else it's not gonna work.Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.[1] Red also figures big in Scala which has / had similar issues (https://scala-lang.org/)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.Oh. My. God. The over 1 billion Chinese people on the planet see red as luck, joy, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT consistent across cultures. Blue for example, is often associated with depression, loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So you're suggesting we make D feel like a dead language? :P Changing the color of a language to increase popularity is the beyond absurd, as is comparing the color of a website to warning colors in nature. People aren't that stupid--nobody is choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website. https://study.com/academy/lesson/color-meanings-in-different-cultures.html https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/color-symbolism-and-meanings-around-the-world [and a thousand other google links for "culture color meaning"]
Jan 13 2020
Actual ways to improve D's branding involve actual work: - Making showcase projects that other people are impressed with (<---this a thousand times) - Provide well-written tutorials - Go to programming conferences and speaking - Networking with businesses and people to sell people on the power of D to improve their work - Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away newcomers
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:- Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away newcomersI'd like to add "finish half-baked features" and "improve tooling" to that point, as well. In the long run, the last few years' work to make the GC precise (that is, not leak memory) and truly optional (via making betterC usable for mere mortals), nail down the semantics of shared, implement scope, improve safe, etc. will help D's reputation far more than changing the color of the website ever could. I think people on the D forums are always trying to blame D's lack of success on "marketing problems", but reading outside discussion it's clear to me that most people who have tried and rejected D did so because of bugs, unfinished features, and/or poor tooling. The ones who've heard of D and rejected it without trying it have done so because someone else told them about these problems, or because they're opposed to D's perceived dependence on a GC. If D has a marketing problem, I think it's mainly that a lot (but far from all) of the issues that have frustrated people who tried it out in the past have actually been fixed, but the world has moved on and many don't realize how massively better D is today compared to 5 or 10 years ago in practice, even though it hasn't changed that much in concept. TLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 13:33:49 UTC, tsbockman wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:Nah it's the classic bikesheding.- Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes awayTLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 13:33:49 UTC, tsbockman wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:57:26 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:I totally agree. The D community should focus first on bugfixing and developing the agreed upon improvements/features. To be honest, I never reflected on the color of this site and it doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me more is when the documentation is out of date or insufficient. Also, if there were any change to site I would first try to create a real forum with modern features rather than the old archaic news group interface like it was the 1990s.- Fix bugs (and improve documentation) that pushes away newcomersI'd like to add "finish half-baked features" and "improve tooling" to that point, as well. In the long run, the last few years' work to make the GC precise (that is, not leak memory) and truly optional (via making betterC usable for mere mortals), nail down the semantics of shared, implement scope, improve safe, etc. will help D's reputation far more than changing the color of the website ever could. I think people on the D forums are always trying to blame D's lack of success on "marketing problems", but reading outside discussion it's clear to me that most people who have tried and rejected D did so because of bugs, unfinished features, and/or poor tooling. The ones who've heard of D and rejected it without trying it have done so because someone else told them about these problems, or because they're opposed to D's perceived dependence on a GC. If D has a marketing problem, I think it's mainly that a lot (but far from all) of the issues that have frustrated people who tried it out in the past have actually been fixed, but the world has moved on and many don't realize how massively better D is today compared to 5 or 10 years ago in practice, even though it hasn't changed that much in concept. TLDR; I like the classic red branding. ;-)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:54:21 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Thanks for pointing that out. Besides, I like my dlang panes to stand out a little, imagine all websites looked the same! Bastiaan.As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.Oh. My. God. The over 1 billion Chinese people on the planet see red as luck, joy, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT consistent across cultures. Blue for example, is often associated with depression, loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So you're suggesting we make D feel like a dead language? :P Changing the color of a language to increase popularity is the beyond absurd, as is comparing the color of a website to warning colors in nature. People aren't that stupid--nobody is choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 11:54:21 UTC, Chris Katko wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Agree. Blue is boring like Big blue (also boring).As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.
Jan 23 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language.Red is the colour of Coca Cola and Ferrari. You could say: "D is fast and has a refreshing taste". A bigger issue in my opinion is, that the name itself is not very creative. It makes sense because it tells something like: "You like C and don't like C++ as sucessor. The real sucessor of C is D!" But whenever I try to convince someone to try out D i have to say either. "Have you heard of D?" "Yeah, it's this letter which comes after C in the ABC" or "Have you heard of the programming language D?", which sounds worse than something like: "Have you heard of rust?" Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When was the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When was the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?A lot: https://www.coca-colacompany.com/au/news/trace-the-130-year-evolution-of-the-coca-cola-logo Matheus.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:11:08 UTC, matheus wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:Nah, they tried a new font a century ago, then restored the original a year after. It basically hasn’t changed since. Once they started using colour, they stuck to the same one ever since. Bastiaan.Desipte this I wouldn't change any branding, because most important thing of branding is that you stick with it. When was the last time Coca Cola changed their logo?A lot: https://www.coca-colacompany.com/au/news/trace-the-130-year-evolution-of-the-coca-cola-logo Matheus.
Jan 13 2020
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 03:06:15PM +0000, René Heldmaier via Digitalmars-d wrote: [...]A bigger issue in my opinion is, that the name itself is not very creative. It makes sense because it tells something like: "You like C and don't like C++ as sucessor. The real sucessor of C is D!"[...] Actually, the original name of the language is Mars. It only became D after users persistently referred to it as such (I wasn't here at the time so I don't know the whole story behind it, it may have started out as a joke of being a successor to C/C++, but eventually the name stuck). T -- Windows 95 was a joke, and Windows 98 was the punchline.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:"Have you heard of rust?"Yeah, I've heard of rust. It's that bad thingy that accumulates on my car and make it wreak. What does that have to do with programming? :-P
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 19:32:44 UTC, Dominikus Dittes Scherkl wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 15:06:15 UTC, René Heldmaier wrote:Brown is clearly the default programming colour. Rust... Brown. Java Coffee... Brown. The original annotated C++ book... Brown. The keys of Commodore 64... Brown. I am sure there are more examples."Have you heard of rust?"Yeah, I've heard of rust. It's that bad thingy that accumulates on my car and make it wreak. What does that have to do with programming? :-P
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated with systems programming language, which is what D desires to be. Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.Let the "bikeshedding" begin.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 17:48:34 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:Let the "bikeshedding" begin.Honestly, the whole discussion is making me see red :-)
Jan 13 2020
On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 05:52:35PM +0000, Joseph Rushton Wakeling via Digitalmars-d wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 17:48:34 UTC, Jonathan Marler wrote:Once the bikeshed is up for painting, the rainbow won't suffice. -- Andrei Alexandrescu :-P T -- Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. Then when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and he won't have his shoes.Let the "bikeshedding" begin.Honestly, the whole discussion is making me see red :-)
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue. Red is associated with excitement, danger, anger, and action. Danger and anger and excitement are not positive qualities of a systems programming language. They amplify the primal fear some people have of GC. In contrast, blue reflects stability, harmony, and trust. These are all qualities we like in a systems programming language. In other words, blue triggers emotions that should be associated with systems programming language, which is what D desires to be. Go, C, and C++ all use blue. Rust's logo is black, and the rest of its website is an even mix of the rainbow.No thanks. Blue is a corporate color. I got sick of if already. When I see blue I want to go to bed and sleep instead of doing work. And blue is not good for health of my eyes, because energy of blue light is higher that other color (by law of physics). So your eyes got more `radiation` and get tired quicker. I I would agree to green or orange, but no `shades of blue`, please... I like red color. Let it be as it is. Red light has lowest energy in visible spectre, so it is good for eyes. I often switch my text editor to red color theme. And it works well, because I want to sleep less and my eyes are not so tired.
Jan 13 2020
Do you want to start a new war? Have you thought about how our Russian/Chinese friends will feel over this change? Please don't mess with fire, red is the future. By the way I think we could modernize this logo with some images, what about a Hammer with a Sickle together? VP.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes lot of sense and changing the color would make the color meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.
Jan 13 2020
On 13.01.20 21:29, Martin Brezel wrote:... If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man, ...:-(
Jan 13 2020
On 1/13/20 4:35 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:On 13.01.20 21:29, Martin Brezel wrote:D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site should switch to that bright red. :) Ali... If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man, ...:-(
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote: Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes lot of sense and changing the color would make the color meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.Let's not change the D-man, also it is also not used that much. Just don't introduce some stupid mascot like an overweight penguin or similar.
Jan 13 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:About D-man and D letter you are wrong. It perfectly fits in spacetravel scenario. Notice the round shape of D letter as of it is an atmosphere entry shield, which shields it's developers and equipment (software) from violent and scorching bugs that, could harm them, allowing a nice land to a planet full of users ready to use equipment they brought. Best regards, Alexandru.As we know, D has a branding problem. I suggest a small step towards fixing that branding problem, namely changing D's brand color to a shade of blue.Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes lot of sense and changing the color would make the color meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.
Jan 13 2020
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 07:36:04 UTC, Alexandru Ermicioi wrote:On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote::D You mean like the DConf 2018 Logo? (http://dconf.org/2018/images/dconf_logo_2018.jpg). I like this Logo very much as it plays with this space-theme again. On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 00:49:49 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme...It perfectly fits in spacetravel scenario. Notice the round shape of D letter as of it is an atmosphere entry shield,D-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site should switch to that bright red. :)Yes, but there is a difference between simple and fragile. If i look at D-Man, i see breaking legs and arms and it hurts me inside :D But serious, D is not "simple" - it is very feature rich and powerful. If you/we/D-Community try to transport a message like "D is simple" using the D-Man, we deem D-Man to exist only as a lie.
Jan 14 2020
On 1/14/20 1:51 AM, Martin Brezel wrote::D You mean like the DConf 2018 Logo? (http://dconf.org/2018/images/dconf_logo_2018.jpg). I like this Logo very much as it plays with this space-theme again.It shows how all of us are different: I never liked that logo or its=20 color variants. :) (I don't understand the whole Mars theme either but=20 that's a different matter.) To me, language logos don't mean anything=20 and they really should not mean anything.On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 00:49:49 UTC, Ali =C3=87ehreli wrote:tD-Man's bold simplicity always cracks me up. If anything, the site should switch to that bright red. :)Yes, but there is a difference between simple and fragile. If i look a=D-Man, i see breaking legs and arms and it hurts me inside :D But serious, D is not "simple" - it is very feature rich and powerful.=I agree.If you/we/D-Community try to transport a message like "D is simple" using the D-Man, we deem D-Man to exist only as a lie.To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I love that = funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece of absurdity. :) Ali
Jan 14 2020
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I love that funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece of absurdity. :)I agree and I get the humor. But: it is kind of a insider joke - a insider in the public. It's like a programmer telling programmer-jokes in a room with the people from accounting :) IMO logos and mascots is PR-material and as such it should be targeting public, not community. I do not want to carry this topic too far.. But D-Man hits a nerve :)
Jan 14 2020
On 14.01.20 21:15, Martin Brezel wrote:On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:It is my opinion that we do not need to market towards people who would be thrown off by D-man.To me, D-Man is so ridiculous that it can only be a joke and I love that funny thing about it. I think I enjoy it as a piece of absurdity. :)I agree and I get the humor. But: it is kind of a insider joke - a insider in the public. It's like a programmer telling programmer-jokes in a room with the people from accounting :) IMO logos and mascots is PR-material and as such it should be targeting public, not community. I do not want to carry this topic too far.. But D-Man hits a nerve :)
Jan 14 2020
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020 at 17:51:18 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:It shows how all of us are different: I never liked that logo or its color variants. :) (I don't understand the whole Mars theme either but that's a different matter.) To me, language logos don't mean anything and they really should not mean anything.Perhaps some on-the-ground surveys of industry users of various languages (C++, Node.js, etc.) would be helpful in branding. I personally feel that Node could be ported to D (Node.D?) and with a GC D could replace Node.js.
Jan 27 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 20:29:41 UTC, Martin Brezel wrote:Red fits much more to the theme of Mars and Phobos - red makes lot of sense and changing the color would make the color meaningless. If to fix PR, let's begin with D-Man,becauae D-Man looks broken, underevolved and has nothing to do with the planetary(=universal, spacetravel-hightec...) theme... D-Man ist just a dull "D" - the finesse of a kindergarten child.I agree here.
Jan 27 2020
On Monday, 13 January 2020 at 04:21:54 UTC, James Lu wrote:Red is associated with ...[snip]In contrast, blue reflects ...The D'mand that D-man be D'monized like he is some kind of D'monstrable red piece of Rust is just plain D'meaning. D'mmit! To paraphrase Andrei... this is all about bikeshedding and once "D-man is up for (re)painting, the rainbow won't suffice!".
Jan 15 2020
I think the color red is fine. It sands out and feels nice and warm. If you want do marketing and be creative then invent a proper mascot. Something which can be made out of plush so you can hand them out at conferences. I got a chameleon from SUSE. I don't even like SUSE. But it is a nice plush toy and it is a good remainder that it exists. SUSE chameleon: https://suseus.quickorder.uk.com/products/name/small-suse-chameleon/product_id/5500266000108?size=&start= Common Lisp mascot: http://missingfaktor.blogspot.com/2012/07/tour-through-land-of-lisp.html http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_warning2_256.png
Jan 20 2020
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 10:06:13 UTC, Jan Hönig wrote:I think the color red is fine. It sands out and feels nice and warm. If you want do marketing and be creative then invent a proper mascot. Something which can be made out of plush so you can hand them out at conferences. I got a chameleon from SUSE. I don't even like SUSE. But it is a nice plush toy and it is a good remainder that it exists. SUSE chameleon: https://suseus.quickorder.uk.com/products/name/small-suse-chameleon/product_id/5500266000108?size=&start= Common Lisp mascot: http://missingfaktor.blogspot.com/2012/07/tour-through-land-of-lisp.html http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_warning2_256.pngNo mascot, no Mascot, NO MASCOT. Let's not go in those immature territories. If you want to products for companies, then I suggest that you buy something useful and put the D logo on it and perhaps a link to the site. It can for example be an airplane pillow or a cup. Then people will use that product and be reminded of D instead of some plush toy that will end up in a drawer. If you don't like the D-man, it can removed quickly as it is used very seldom. It is just once on this site what I've seen. It is pretty harmless. Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for its main product. You can really keep things simple.
Jan 20 2020
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:No mascot, no Mascot, NO MASCOT. Let's not go in those immature territories.Like Tux, or Beastie, or Freddie Mailchip, or that Android Robot? For what its worth, as a hobbyist, I have no issue at all with the red.
Jan 21 2020
On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for its main product. You can really keep things simple.I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun. D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page isn't the reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.
Jan 21 2020
On 22/01/2020 12:02 AM, JN wrote:On Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:We should only do it, if we wanted to do a full rebranding. Like say making safe by default.Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for its main product. You can really keep things simple.I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun. D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page isn't the reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.
Jan 21 2020
On Tuesday, 21 January 2020 at 11:26:49 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote:On 22/01/2020 12:02 AM, JN wrote:We could just give safeD a blue D logo? -- SimenOn Monday, 20 January 2020 at 11:09:59 UTC, IGotD- wrote:We should only do it, if we wanted to do a full rebranding. Like say making safe by default.Just for comparison, one of the most successful multi billion profit companies has four squares as logo chucked together for its main product. You can really keep things simple.I think most of this discussion is just harmless fun. D's branding, color, logo, even the design of the front page isn't the reason for it's relatively low adoption rate.
Jan 21 2020
The over 1 billion Chinese people in the world see red as luck, pleasure, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT steady across cultures. Blue as an example, is often associated with melancholy, loneliness and saddness... "feeling blue". So you're suggesting we make D feel like a lifeless language? :P Learn more here https://topbestnespresso.com/best-nespresso-capsules Changing the coloration of a language to increase popularity is the beyond absurd, as is evaluating the shade of a website to caution colorations in nature. People are not that stupid--nobody is choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website.
Apr 03 2020
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 01:28:03AM +0000, log mout via Digitalmars-d wrote:The over 1 billion Chinese people in the world see red as luck, pleasure, and happiness. Color meanings are NOT steady across cultures.[...] I'm Chinese, but I *don't* see red as luck, pleasure, or happiness. That's just an ignorant stereotype. But anyway, it's not even consistent *within* a culture, needless to say across cultures. [...]Changing the coloration of a language to increase popularity is the beyond absurd, as is evaluating the shade of a website to caution colorations in nature. People are not that stupid--nobody is choosing a language because of the _color_ of the website.And the kind of people who *might* choose something based on that, is precisely the kind of people you *don't* want as users and customers. :-P T -- Programming is not just an act of telling a computer what to do: it is also an act of telling other programmers what you wished the computer to do. Both are important, and the latter deserves care. -- Andrew Morton
Apr 03 2020
On Saturday, 4 April 2020 at 13:43:26 UTC, wow wrote:What's red is faster.Orkz boyz agreez with you.
Jun 07 2020