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reply dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:
thank's ddmd ! its too great !
http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


dolive
Nov 09 2009
next sibling parent "Lars T. Kyllingstad" <public kyllingen.NOSPAMnet> writes:
dolive wrote:
 thank's ddmd ! its too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd

I agree, this is pretty cool. :) I didn't even know such a project existed. -Lars
Nov 09 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent davidl <davidl nospam.org> writes:
在 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:27:33 +0800,dolive <dolive89 sina.com> 写道:

 thank's ddmd ! it¡¯s too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


 dolive

Yah, that's a shit load of converting work. I think this would eventually attract Walter to write real D code. -- 使用 Opera 革命性的电子邮件客户程序: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Nov 09 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply zsxxsz <zsxxsz hexun.com> writes:
== Quote from dolive (dolive89 sina.com)'s article
 thank's ddmd ! its too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd
 dolive

Greate work! But it doesn't support LINUX yet:(
Nov 09 2009
parent reply Travis Boucher <boucher.travis gmail.com> writes:
zsxxsz wrote:
 == Quote from dolive (dolive89 sina.com)'s article
 thank's ddmd ! it��s too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd
 dolive

Greate work! But it doesn't support LINUX yet:(

Once you get it running under linux, I'll be more then happy to make sure all of the freebsd issues get some attention.
Nov 08 2009
parent dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:
Travis Boucher д:

 zsxxsz wrote:
 == Quote from dolive (dolive89 sina.com)'s article
 thank's ddmd ! it��s too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd
 dolive

Greate work! But it doesn't support LINUX yet:(

Once you get it running under linux, I'll be more then happy to make sure all of the freebsd issues get some attention.

What time can compile phobos ? thank you ! dolive
Nov 09 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:
dolive д:

 thank's ddmd ! its too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd
 
 
 dolive

hope them make determined and persistent efforts thank's again dolive
Nov 11 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply dolive <dolive89 sina.com> writes:
dolive д:

 thank's ddmd ! its too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd
 
 
 dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive
Nov 23 2009
next sibling parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

 dolive =C3=90=C2=B4=C2=B5=C2=BD:

 thank's ddmd ! it=C2=A1=C2=AFs too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


 dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me. Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:
 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work,=

 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the moment =

 with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos  =

 interacts with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between =

 druntime and phobos).

 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for=

 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

You can join the project, too, developing is not hard at all. No special= = knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforwar= d = process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need = help to get yourself started.
Nov 23 2009
next sibling parent Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin wrote:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:
 
 dolive дµ½:

 thank's ddmd ! it¡¯s too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


 dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me. Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:
 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work, 
 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the moment 
 is with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos 
 interacts with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between 
 druntime and phobos).

 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for 
 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

You can join the project, too, developing is not hard at all. No special knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforward process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need help to get yourself started.

Please mention on your wiki that you're using Mercurial! It wasn't at all obvious, and there's no docs about where the repository is. I figured it out eventually, but it took a bit of guesswork. (This info should be automatically provided by dsource, but it's not). It's a great project.
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent dsimcha <dsimcha yahoo.com> writes:
== Quote from Leandro Lucarella (llucax gmail.com)'s article
 Denis Koroskin, el 23 de noviembre a las 14:26 me escribiste:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

dolive дµ½:

thank's ddmd ! it¡¯s too great !
http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me.

I'm curious. Did you get some kind of permission from Walter? If one would like to contribute, it would get some special permission too? Thanks

?????? The front end is GPL licensed and the back end isn't ported. The GPL is practically an invitation to do stuff like this. What am I missing.
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling parent reply Travis Boucher <boucher.travis gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin wrote:
 Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently
 has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:
 
 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work, 
 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the moment 
 is with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos 
 interacts with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between 
 druntime and phobos).

 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for 
 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

You can join the project, too, developing is not hard at all. No special knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforward process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need help to get yourself started.

I have pretty much given up on D2 until it is finalized, and development focus changes from specifications to library & compiler implementation and enhancements. I think this will be the best time (for me) to get involved in the process. Unfortunately for me (and possibly others) I got into D at a really shitty time. The language itself is in a state of flux (at least for D2). So I am changing my own focus on application development with D1, which I am sure will be around for quite a while before D2 gets community acceptance.
Nov 23 2009
parent reply Travis Boucher <boucher.travis gmail.com> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Travis Boucher
 <boucher.travis gmail.com> wrote:
 Denis Koroskin wrote:
 Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently
 has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:

 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work,
 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the moment is
 with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos interacts
 with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between druntime and
 phobos).
 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for
 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforward process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need help to get yourself started.

focus changes from specifications to library & compiler implementation and enhancements. I think this will be the best time (for me) to get involved in the process. Unfortunately for me (and possibly others) I got into D at a really shitty time. The language itself is in a state of flux (at least for D2). So I am changing my own focus on application development with D1, which I am sure will be around for quite a while before D2 gets community acceptance.

Having been around here for a few years, I have to say you don't know what you're talking about. Things are actually looking better for D than they have for years. You may find that revelation more scary than inspiring but here's why I say so: End of D2 work is in sight. The reference compiler can be re-built by anyone from source now. D sits atop a runtime which can be used by any library that wants to participate. Both Walter and now Don are bug-fixin' machines. QtD is usable (from what I understand). All good stuff. So yeh, if you get started writing an app in D2 now you may have to make some changes, but if you're only starting now, then you won't have much source code that needs changing to keep up. TDPL is due out first half of next year, and there shouldn't be too many major changes to D2 after that. Furthermore, if you start writing serious D2 code now, your input will have considerably more weight than someone who's only looking at it on paper. But if you're really under tight deadline pressure or something, then probably D1 (or Python, or C#) would be a better choice. --bb

I am new to the language, so I don't know what I am talking about in a larger context, I can only go by my first impressions. If my first impressions are "this is a bad time to get into D2", you can only imagine the view of people who are use to shiny-polished-one-click-install toolchains. The perception of newcomers to a language really say alot about the language. If it is more work to setup a development environment for a language then it is to code in the language(s) it aims to replace, then the language is doomed to be an enthusiast language forever. I am not saying this perception or the state of the language will stay as it is, I'm just trying to say that the language will not be taken seriously until things get organized properly and things get polished and shiny. It seems that D is pretty much a one man show with a small following that chimes in when they have a chance. What D needs is an organized group of people who share a common interest and have equal voice in steering the direction of the language. It does not have that now, but I have high hopes this will change sometime in the near future.
Nov 23 2009
parent Don <nospam nospam.com> writes:
Travis Boucher wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Travis Boucher
 <boucher.travis gmail.com> wrote:
 Denis Koroskin wrote:
 Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently
 has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:

 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work,
 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the 
 moment is
 with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos 
 interacts
 with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between 
 druntime and
 phobos).
 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for
 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

special knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforward process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need help to get yourself started.

focus changes from specifications to library & compiler implementation and enhancements. I think this will be the best time (for me) to get involved in the process. Unfortunately for me (and possibly others) I got into D at a really shitty time. The language itself is in a state of flux (at least for D2). So I am changing my own focus on application development with D1, which I am sure will be around for quite a while before D2 gets community acceptance.

Having been around here for a few years, I have to say you don't know what you're talking about. Things are actually looking better for D than they have for years. You may find that revelation more scary than inspiring but here's why I say so: End of D2 work is in sight. The reference compiler can be re-built by anyone from source now. D sits atop a runtime which can be used by any library that wants to participate. Both Walter and now Don are bug-fixin' machines. QtD is usable (from what I understand). All good stuff. So yeh, if you get started writing an app in D2 now you may have to make some changes, but if you're only starting now, then you won't have much source code that needs changing to keep up. TDPL is due out first half of next year, and there shouldn't be too many major changes to D2 after that. Furthermore, if you start writing serious D2 code now, your input will have considerably more weight than someone who's only looking at it on paper. But if you're really under tight deadline pressure or something, then probably D1 (or Python, or C#) would be a better choice. --bb

I am new to the language, so I don't know what I am talking about in a larger context, I can only go by my first impressions. If my first impressions are "this is a bad time to get into D2", you can only imagine the view of people who are use to shiny-polished-one-click-install toolchains.

I would say rather, "we are very close to the end of the bad time to get into D2". Right now we have a mad rush to finally fix all of the stuff which has been put off for years. It's expected that this phase will last for only a few more weeks in terms of the language (then the focus will switch to the library). The stuff which goes into Andrei's book will never change. It's a really bad time to be porting a D2 compiler: for example, there are significant changes in the next release. But there may only be about three more releases before the mad rush ends.
 The perception of newcomers to a language really say alot about the 
 language.  If it is more work to setup a development environment for a 
 language then it is to code in the language(s) it aims to replace, then 
 the language is doomed to be an enthusiast language forever.
 
 I am not saying this perception or the state of the language will stay 
 as it is, I'm just trying to say that the language will not be taken 
 seriously until things get organized properly and things get polished 
 and shiny.  

Yes. But when D2 comes out of beta at the end of the year, we'll have made a big step forward. It seems that D is pretty much a one man show with a small
 following that chimes in when they have a chance.
 
 What D needs is an organized group of people who share a common interest 
 and have equal voice in steering the direction of the language.  It does 
 not have that now, but I have high hopes this will change sometime in 
 the near future.

Nov 24 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:10:44 +0300, Don <nospam nospam.com> wrote:

 Denis Koroskin wrote:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:=


 dolive =C3=90=C2=B4=C2=B5=C2=BD:

 thank's ddmd ! it=C2=A1=C2=AFs too great !
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


 dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he curren=


 has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:

 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make wor=



 but should work well enough).  The problems I am having at the momen=



 is with phobos,  mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos =



 interacts with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated betwee=



 druntime and phobos).

 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway f=



 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.



 special knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a  =


 straightforward process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Conta=


 me if you need help to get yourself started.

Please mention on your wiki that you're using Mercurial! It wasn't at =

 all obvious, and there's no docs about where the repository is.
 I figured it out eventually, but it took a bit of guesswork. (This inf=

 should be automatically provided by dsource, but it's not).

 It's a great project.

Thanks, done. There was some info about different CVS, their relative pa= th = etc, but I couldn't find it from a quick glance.
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:22:18 +0300, Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com>=
  =

wrote:

 Denis Koroskin, el 23 de noviembre a las 14:26 me escribiste:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:=


dolive =C3=90=C2=B4=C2=B5=C2=BD:

thank's ddmd ! it=C2=A1=C2=AFs too great !
http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me.

I wonder how legal is this port. I'm not trying to start a flame, real=

 I'm curious. Did you get some kind of permission from Walter? If one  =

 would
 like to contribute, it would get some special permission too?

 Thanks

I don't see any license issues other than backend-related ones. I asked = = Walter about them and here is what he said:
 I think that if you simply provide an interface to the back end, with =

 function and type declarations, that is an acceptable use. If you  =

 include actual code from the back end, you'll need to conform to its  =

 license.

Nov 23 2009
prev sibling parent Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Travis Boucher
<boucher.travis gmail.com> wrote:
 Denis Koroskin wrote:
 Travis Boucher has shown his interest in contribution, but he currently
 has issues with D2 not working on FreeBSD. To quote him:

 I have dmd working, and druntime (which was a quick hack to make work,
 but should work well enough). =A0The problems I am having at the moment=



 with phobos, =A0mostly because I don't fully understand how phobos inte=



 with druntime (certain things seem to be duplicated between druntime an=



 phobos).

 Once I figure out how all that works (which I'll want to do anyway for
 ddmd), I should have a working port of D2 for FreeBSD.

You can join the project, too, developing is not hard at all. No special knowledge is required since porting code is pretty much a straightforwar=


 process. Everyone who is interested is welcome. Contact me if you need h=


 to get yourself started.

I have pretty much given up on D2 until it is finalized, and development focus changes from specifications to library & compiler implementation an=

 enhancements. =A0I think this will be the best time (for me) to get invol=

 in the process.

 Unfortunately for me (and possibly others) I got into D at a really shitt=

 time. =A0The language itself is in a state of flux (at least for D2). =A0=

 changing my own focus on application development with D1, which I am sure
 will be around for quite a while before D2 gets community acceptance.

Having been around here for a few years, I have to say you don't know what you're talking about. Things are actually looking better for D than they have for years. You may find that revelation more scary than inspiring but here's why I say so: End of D2 work is in sight. The reference compiler can be re-built by anyone from source now. D sits atop a runtime which can be used by any library that wants to participate. Both Walter and now Don are bug-fixin' machines. QtD is usable (from what I understand). All good stuff. So yeh, if you get started writing an app in D2 now you may have to make some changes, but if you're only starting now, then you won't have much source code that needs changing to keep up. TDPL is due out first half of next year, and there shouldn't be too many major changes to D2 after that. Furthermore, if you start writing serious D2 code now, your input will have considerably more weight than someone who's only looking at it on paper. But if you're really under tight deadline pressure or something, then probably D1 (or Python, or C#) would be a better choice. --bb
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin, el 23 de noviembre a las 14:26 me escribiste:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:
 
dolive дµ½:

thank's ddmd ! it¡¯s too great !
http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me.

I wonder how legal is this port. I'm not trying to start a flame, really, I'm curious. Did you get some kind of permission from Walter? If one would like to contribute, it would get some special permission too? Thanks -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vaporeso, al verse enfundado por la depresión, decide dar fin a su vida tomando Chinato Garda mezclado con kerosene al 50%. Ante el duro trance pierde la movilidad en sus miembros derechos: inferior y superior. En ese momento es considerado como el hombre líder del movimiento de izquierda de Occidente.
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin, el 23 de noviembre a las 20:27 me escribiste:
I wonder how legal is this port. I'm not trying to start a flame, really,
I'm curious. Did you get some kind of permission from Walter? If
one would
like to contribute, it would get some special permission too?

Thanks

I don't see any license issues other than backend-related ones. I asked Walter about them and here is what he said:
I think that if you simply provide an interface to the back end,
with function and type declarations, that is an acceptable use. If
you include actual code from the back end, you'll need to conform
to its license.


Oh, I thought you were rewriting the backend in D too. So, you're just using the backend, not rewriting it or redistribuiting it? -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names
Nov 23 2009
prev sibling parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
dsimcha, el 23 de noviembre a las 17:27 me escribiste:
 == Quote from Leandro Lucarella (llucax gmail.com)'s article
 Denis Koroskin, el 23 de noviembre a las 14:26 me escribiste:
 On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0300, dolive <dolive89 sina.com> wrote:

dolive дµ½:

thank's ddmd ! it¡¯s too great !
http://www.dsource.org/projects/ddmd


dolive

may I ask how many people work for it now ? thank's ! dolive

Just me.

I'm curious. Did you get some kind of permission from Walter? If one would like to contribute, it would get some special permission too? Thanks

?????? The front end is GPL licensed and the back end isn't ported. The GPL is practically an invitation to do stuff like this. What am I missing.

You missed that I missed that he didn't intended to rewrite the backend in D. I know what the GPL is. And no need to get nervous, I said I didn't wanted to start a flame, it was an honest and well intended question. -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Estoy de acuerdo en que el hombre es igual a los ojos de Dios..., pero hay algunos que, siendo negros, hacen uso de lo que no les corresponde. Eso Dios no lo ve. -- Ricardo Vaporeso. Manifestación en Mississippi a favor de los blancos, 1923.
Nov 23 2009