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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with 
dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be 
renamed dlang.org.

This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

Andrei
May 12 2013
next sibling parent reply "Peter Alexander" <peter.alexander.au gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

I always thought D-programming-language was a bit wordy. What kind of disruption are we talking about here though? Is this just an aesthetic change, or does it affect the git repro URLs? Having everyone update their remote URLs may be quite drastic (especially as many people may not follow the forums, and we have no way to announce this).
May 12 2013
parent Matt Soucy <msoucy csh.rit.edu> writes:
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On 05/12/2013 11:14 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be=


 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

I always thought D-programming-language was a bit wordy. =20 What kind of disruption are we talking about here though? Is this just an aesthetic change, or does it affect the git repro URLs? Having everyone update their remote URLs may be quite drastic (especially as many people may not follow the forums, and we have no way to announce this).

It would affect the repo urls as well. Which means that yes, all references would need to be updated. Everywhere. So, as much as I think it's a good idea, I feel that if it happens, it needs to be announced well in advance to give people time to prepare. Though, the point is a bit moot as someone already has the dlang name... -- Matt Soucy
May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Kenji Hara <k.hara.pg gmail.com> writes:
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I always agree that short good name is better than long ones.
At least to me, changing git remote setting is not so much laborious.

Kenji Hara


2013/5/13 Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>

 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with dlang.
 While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be renamed
 dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

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May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Calin Grosan" <me me.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

I would go even further and try to encourage/enforce "dland" instead of "D" everywhere. It's often complicated to google stuff related to D because is just one character long.
May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 12:56:45 -0400
Matt Soucy <msoucy csh.rit.edu> wrote:

 On 05/12/2013 11:14 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org
 should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?



Sounds worthwhile to me. I'm up for it.
 it needs to be
 announced well in advance to give people time to prepare.
 

I agree.
May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 5/12/2013 8:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with dlang.
While
 we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

It'll also cause disruption in that google won't find it when searching for "d programming".
May 12 2013
next sibling parent reply "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 18:11:28 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 5/12/2013 8:08 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While
 we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be 
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

It'll also cause disruption in that google won't find it when searching for "d programming".

There should really be a README in the root of the repo so that GitHub displays some information about the project. That would solve the "d programming" issue and make it more discoverable in general.
May 12 2013
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 5/12/2013 11:15 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 18:11:28 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 It'll also cause disruption in that google won't find it when searching for "d
 programming".

There should really be a README in the root of the repo so that GitHub displays some information about the project. That would solve the "d programming" issue and make it more discoverable in general.

Not really. Having "d programming" in the URL gives it a much higher ranking.
May 12 2013
prev sibling parent "Aleksandar Ruzicic" <krckoorascic gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 18:50:59 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 5/12/2013 11:15 AM, Brad Anderson wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 18:11:28 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
 It'll also cause disruption in that google won't find it when 
 searching for "d
 programming".

There should really be a README in the root of the repo so that GitHub displays some information about the project. That would solve the "d programming" issue and make it more discoverable in general.

Not really. Having "d programming" in the URL gives it a much higher ranking.

Not really. It used to be so, but (not so recently) Google changed that and in my experience (I do all-things-web for living, and I'was also doing SEO when it was new and trendy) good, semantic content gives much stronger ranking than domain name / URL. So, README with "d programming" in root of each repo (and repo description) will be at least as good as having "d programming" as a part of URL. Also, adding schema.org microdata to dlang.org would make the site more discoverable and results would me more presentable. If there is an interest in pursuing this goal I would be glad to help with restructuring and even rewriting complete HTML/CSS of dlang.org. I know that this would not be an easy thing to accomplish but I'm willing to try and I would of course appreciate any help I could get. Especially because I have bad track record of finishing things on which I work alone :)
May 14 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

They are painfully long so I'm for it (and in the case of d-programming-language.org, inaccurate since dlang.org is the official url now). The major contributors should weigh in though since it will affect them the most. For those wondering how you resolve this after the change you just open .git/config for each repo and change "D-Programming-Language" remotes to say "dlang". Pretty easy. A couple spots on the website that link to the repo would have to be updated but nothing you couldn't find and fix in less than a minute using a git grep.
May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2013-05-12 17:08, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

This will break all the URL's for the repository. It's not just the need to change the git configuration for all developers, tools my also depend on this. I have a tool, DVM, that depends on this. But since Github downloads are deprecated/removed it doesn't matter in my case. -- /Jacob Carlborg
May 12 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

Package maintainers will need to update build scripts but that is expected. I am all for it.
May 13 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Andrew Gough" <goughy gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

+1 Also rename D-Programming-Deimos to dlang-deimos (or better dlang-ext) while you're at it.
May 13 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dejan Lekic" <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

+1 Makes sense to me.
May 13 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Mehrdad" <wfunction hotmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here
May 16 2013
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/16/13 8:39 PM, Mehrdad wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here

Well, let's do it! https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org Andrei
May 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 5/17/13, Mehrdad <wfunction hotmail.com> wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github
 with dlang. While we're at it, project
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here

Wow, just in the nick of time. Cool. :)
May 16 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 17:39:58 -0700, Mehrdad <wfunction hotmail.com> wrote:

 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with  
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be  
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here

Well, that completely changes the calculus of the discussion. -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender Project Coordinator The Horizon Project http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
May 16 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 5/17/13, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:
 Well, that completely changes the calculus of the discussion.

Imagine if a politician ever said that after a convincing counter-argument. :p
May 16 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 5/12/13, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

Also please rename the d-programming-language.org *project* into dlang.org if you can. (the website files)
May 16 2013
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/16/13 9:18 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
 Also please rename the d-programming-language.org *project* into
 dlang.org if you can. (the website files)

Probably that's the only thing I'll end up renaming for now. Andrei
May 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Fri, 17 May 2013 03:14:54 +0200
Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> wrote:

 On 5/17/13, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:
 Well, that completely changes the calculus of the discussion.

Imagine if a politician ever said that after a convincing counter-argument. :p

I suspect this might be the result: http://komplexify.com/images/2010/Divide-by-zero-5.jpg
May 16 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
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On 12 May 2013 18:29, Calin Grosan <me me.com> wrote:

 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

I would go even further and try to encourage/enforce "dland" instead of "D" everywhere. It's often complicated to google stuff related to D because is just one character long.

No it isn't =) -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0'; --047d7b6da4c8d3abf104dcebd18e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 1= 2 May 2013 18:29, Calin Grosan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:me m= e.com" target=3D"_blank">me me.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa= dding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandres= cu wrote:<br> </div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar= gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I&#39;m thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with dla= ng. While we&#39;re at it, project <a href=3D"http://d-programming-language= .org" target=3D"_blank">d-programming-language.org</a> should be renamed <a= href=3D"http://dlang.org" target=3D"_blank">dlang.org</a>.<br> <br> This may cause disruption. Thoughts?<br> <br> Andrei<br> </blockquote> <br></div></div> I would go even further and try to encourage/enforce &quot;dland&quot; inst= ead of &quot;D&quot; everywhere. It&#39;s often complicated to google stuff= related to D because is just<br> one character long.<br> </blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">No it isn&#39;t=A0 = =3D)<br clear=3D"all"></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>Iain Bucl= aw<br><br>*(p &lt; e ? p++ : p) =3D (c &amp; 0x0f) + &#39;0&#39;; </div></div> --047d7b6da4c8d3abf104dcebd18e--
May 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Friday, 17 May 2013 at 15:40:40 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 5/16/13 8:39 PM, Mehrdad wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu 
 wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on 
 github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org 
 should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

https://github.com/blog/1508-repository-redirects-are-here

Well, let's do it! https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org Andrei

That was convenient timing for Github to implement this feature.
May 17 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Mr. Anonymous" <mailnew4ster gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

The URL in the description of dmd, druntime, tools, installer is also outdated.
May 17 2013
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 5/17/13 11:53 AM, Mr. Anonymous wrote:
 On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github with
 dlang. While we're at it, project d-programming-language.org should be
 renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

The URL in the description of dmd, druntime, tools, installer is also outdated.

Fixed, thanks! Andrei
May 18 2013
prev sibling parent "Brad Anderson" <eco gnuk.net> writes:
On Sunday, 12 May 2013 at 15:08:22 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 I'm thinking we should rename D-programming-language on github 
 with dlang. While we're at it, project 
 d-programming-language.org should be renamed dlang.org.

 This may cause disruption. Thoughts?

 Andrei

I suggest renaming the "installer" repo as well. It's obvious the repo is for D installers (though not DMD specifically) when it's under the D-Programming-Language organization but when you fork it you get an installer repo under your username that is easy to confuse and may even conflict with other projects which may have the same common name. Something like "dmd-installer" would do the trick, I think.
May 17 2013