• Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> Jan 16 2009
• torhu <no spam.invalid> Jan 16 2009
• Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> Jan 16 2009
• "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> Jan 16 2009
• Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> Jan 16 2009
• "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> Jan 16 2009
• Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> Jan 16 2009
• Jason House <jason.james.house gmail.com> Jan 19 2009
• Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> Jan 16 2009

Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> writes:

Are there any information about druntime?
The D2.0 changelog states Phobos was split with v2.020 but there are no 
information about that for D1.

I'm especially interested in using a library based on Tango while using 
Phobos in the application itself (e.g. using the new DWT)

torhu <no spam.invalid> writes:

On 16.01.2009 15:39, Hoenir wrote:
 Are there any information about druntime?
 The D2.0 changelog states Phobos was split with v2.020 but there are no
 information about that for D1.

 I'm especially interested in using a library based on Tango while using
 Phobos in the application itself (e.g. using the new DWT)


Druntime is only used for phobos 2 currently, not for 1.  So there won't 
be any further phobos/tango compatibility until tango is ported to D 
2.0.  And then dwt has to be ported too.

The closest you can get is using tangobos, which phobos modified to run 
on top of tango.  Probably better to just learn tango.

Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> writes:

torhu schrieb:
 Druntime is only used for phobos 2 currently, not for 1.  So there won't 
 be any further phobos/tango compatibility until tango is ported to D 
 2.0.  And then dwt has to be ported too.
 
 The closest you can get is using tangobos, which phobos modified to run 
 on top of tango.  Probably better to just learn tango.


Yeah, officially. But there also is a D1 branch of druntime and there 
are even build instructions for 1.x.

So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

"Hoenir" wrote
 torhu schrieb:
 Druntime is only used for phobos 2 currently, not for 1.  So there won't 
 be any further phobos/tango compatibility until tango is ported to D 2.0. 
 And then dwt has to be ported too.

 The closest you can get is using tangobos, which phobos modified to run 
 on top of tango.  Probably better to just learn tango.


 Yeah, officially. But there also is a D1 branch of druntime and there are 
 even build instructions for 1.x.

 So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?


What is the need?  The very purpose of having druntime in the first place is 
to have Tango and Phobos share a common runtime.  If Tango is ported to 
druntime, then Phobos is *still* not compatible because Phobos 1 does not 
use it.

Tango's runtime is pretty much exactly like druntime anyways, since druntime 
is a port of Tango's runtime.

The only need I forsee is if the druntime 1.0 branch gets some enhancements 
that Tango needs to use.

Once Tango for D2 is finished (being worked on, albeit very slowly), then 
druntime comes into play.

-Steve 

Hoenir <mrmocool gmx.de> writes:

Steven Schveighoffer schrieb:
 Yeah, officially. But there also is a D1 branch of druntime and there are 
 even build instructions for 1.x.

 So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?


 What is the need?  The very purpose of having druntime in the first place is 
 to have Tango and Phobos share a common runtime.  If Tango is ported to 
 druntime, then Phobos is *still* not compatible because Phobos 1 does not 
 use it.
 


That's why one needs to rebuild phobos as the guideline states: 
http://www.dsource.org/projects/druntime/wiki/GettingStarted


 Tango's runtime is pretty much exactly like druntime anyways, since druntime 
 is a port of Tango's runtime.
 
 The only need I forsee is if the druntime 1.0 branch gets some enhancements 
 that Tango needs to use.
 
 Once Tango for D2 is finished (being worked on, albeit very slowly), then 
 druntime comes into play.
 


Any clues when this will be finished?

"Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:

"Hoenir" wrote
 Steven Schveighoffer schrieb:
 Yeah, officially. But there also is a D1 branch of druntime and there 
 are even build instructions for 1.x.

 So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?


 What is the need?  The very purpose of having druntime in the first place 
 is to have Tango and Phobos share a common runtime.  If Tango is ported 
 to druntime, then Phobos is *still* not compatible because Phobos 1 does 
 not use it.


 That's why one needs to rebuild phobos as the guideline states: 
 http://www.dsource.org/projects/druntime/wiki/GettingStarted


That guideline is for D2 phobos only.  D1 phobos would need to be rewritten 
to use the new runtime, which as far as I know has not been done. (Sean, 
there probably should be a note stating this, as the doc is slightly 
ambiguous).

 Tango's runtime is pretty much exactly like druntime anyways, since 
 druntime is a port of Tango's runtime.

 The only need I forsee is if the druntime 1.0 branch gets some 
 enhancements that Tango needs to use.

 Once Tango for D2 is finished (being worked on, albeit very slowly), then 
 druntime comes into play.


 Any clues when this will be finished?


When I get some more free time :(  There is a branch that currently builds 
on Linux with dmd 2.019 (I haven't touched druntime yet, because I was 
waiting for it to stabilize).  There have been many significant changes to 
the trunk since that was done, including a major io reorg, so you'd be still 
dealing with the old source (and possibly old bugs).

-Steve 

Sean Kelly <sean invisibleduck.org> writes:

Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 "Hoenir" wrote
 Steven Schveighoffer schrieb:
 Yeah, officially. But there also is a D1 branch of druntime and there 
 are even build instructions for 1.x.

 So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?


 is to have Tango and Phobos share a common runtime.  If Tango is ported 
 to druntime, then Phobos is *still* not compatible because Phobos 1 does 
 not use it.


 http://www.dsource.org/projects/druntime/wiki/GettingStarted


 That guideline is for D2 phobos only.  D1 phobos would need to be rewritten 
 to use the new runtime, which as far as I know has not been done. (Sean, 
 there probably should be a note stating this, as the doc is slightly 
 ambiguous).


Yup.  The rewrite would essentially be Tangobos anyway.  I'll clarify 
the doc.


Sean

Jason House <jason.james.house gmail.com> writes:

Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 "Hoenir" wrote
 So why don't they port tango to that D1 version of druntime?


 What is the need?


I can only think of one reason: When porting Tango to D2, it'll be one less
thing to do.

Bill Baxter <wbaxter gmail.com> writes:

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:28 AM, torhu <no spam.invalid> wrote:
 On 16.01.2009 15:39, Hoenir wrote:
 Are there any information about druntime?
 The D2.0 changelog states Phobos was split with v2.020 but there are no
 information about that for D1.

 I'm especially interested in using a library based on Tango while using
 Phobos in the application itself (e.g. using the new DWT)


 Druntime is only used for phobos 2 currently, not for 1.  So there won't be
 any further phobos/tango compatibility until tango is ported to D 2.0.  And
 then dwt has to be ported too.

 The closest you can get is using tangobos, which phobos modified to run on
 top of tango.  Probably better to just learn tango.


The Tangobos + Tango combo works just fine.  I use it all the time.

--bb