digitalmars.D.learn - Learning D for a non computer science background person :
- Mayuresh Kathe (9/9) Dec 02 2014 While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-learn (5/15) Dec 02 2014 [...]
- CraigDillabaugh (8/17) Dec 02 2014 If you have been programming for 23 years there is absolutely no
- Mayuresh Kathe (7/28) Dec 02 2014 Thanks for the welcome. :)
- Tobias Pankrath (3/8) Dec 02 2014 No! If you know how to program and want to learn D, start reading
- Mayuresh Kathe (7/17) Dec 02 2014 Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book
- John Colvin (3/6) Dec 02 2014 This group is definitely that informal. First names are the norm
- Gary Willoughby (5/7) Dec 02 2014 No need to wait that long. I second H.S. Teoh's suggestion to
- Mayuresh Kathe (5/13) Dec 02 2014 Yes, prima-facie it definitely looks good.
- H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-learn (6/21) Dec 02 2014 Keep in mind that there's an errata for Andrei's book:
- =?UTF-8?B?QWxpIMOHZWhyZWxp?= (5/7) Dec 02 2014 First name is the normal way of referring to colleagues here in the US,
- Shriramana Sharma via Digitalmars-d-learn (17/20) Dec 02 2014 Heh -- possibly you haven't interacted on international technical
- Mengu (5/32) Dec 05 2014 yes, you are totally right. Ali's book is aiming at teaching D
- CraigDillabaugh (7/16) Dec 02 2014 I certainly wouldn't discourage from studying Discrete Mathematics
- Meta (10/19) Dec 02 2014 An interesting thing about D (that C++ shares to a degree) is
- Chris (5/28) Dec 05 2014 And don't forget - and I'll say this again and again - the
While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book. Thanks.
Dec 02 2014
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 04:38:33PM +0000, Mayuresh Kathe via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book.[...] Ali Cehreli's D book is another excellent resource: http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/intro.html --T
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:38:34 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book. Thanks.If you have been programming for 23 years there is absolutely no reason why you should struggle with D due to your lack of discrete math, machine organization knowledge, etc. You certainly shouldn't have any trouble following Andrei's book, which is very easy to follow, although having some discrete math is helpful in keeping up with some of his forum posts :o) Welcome to the D world!
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:54:50 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote:On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:38:34 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:Thanks for the welcome. :) I think I'll just work through Discrete Mathematics and Machine Organization before approaching Mr. Alexandrescu's book, would take up only 6 ~ 8 months of my time, and would be really good for me in the long term.While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book. Thanks.If you have been programming for 23 years there is absolutely no reason why you should struggle with D due to your lack of discrete math, machine organization knowledge, etc. You certainly shouldn't have any trouble following Andrei's book, which is very easy to follow, although having some discrete math is helpful in keeping up with some of his forum posts :o) Welcome to the D world!
Dec 02 2014
Thanks for the welcome. :) I think I'll just work through Discrete Mathematics and Machine Organization before approaching Mr. Alexandrescu's book, would take up only 6 ~ 8 months of my time, and would be really good for me in the long term.No! If you know how to program and want to learn D, start reading Andrei's book now. Any discrete math class is only a distraction. Read up on discrete math in parallel or if the need arises.
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:10:57 UTC, Tobias Pankrath wrote:Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy. BTW, how come all of you address him as Andrei? Is this group that informal? Asking, just so that I don't become the odd man. :)Thanks for the welcome. :) I think I'll just work through Discrete Mathematics and Machine Organization before approaching Mr. Alexandrescu's book, would take up only 6 ~ 8 months of my time, and would be really good for me in the long term.No! If you know how to program and want to learn D, start reading Andrei's book now. Any discrete math class is only a distraction. Read up on discrete math in parallel or if the need arises.
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:15:28 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:BTW, how come all of you address him as Andrei? Is this group that informal? Asking, just so that I don't become the odd man. :)This group is definitely that informal. First names are the norm here.
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:15:28 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy.No need to wait that long. I second H.S. Teoh's suggestion to recommend reading this book too: http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/intro.html It's free, downloadable and right up to date.
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:33:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:15:28 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:Yes, prima-facie it definitely looks good. Will start off with it while I await delivery of Andrei's book to my location.Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy.No need to wait that long. I second H.S. Teoh's suggestion to recommend reading this book too: http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/intro.html It's free, downloadable and right up to date.
Dec 02 2014
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 05:46:04PM +0000, Mayuresh Kathe via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:33:18 UTC, Gary Willoughby wrote:Keep in mind that there's an errata for Andrei's book: http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ T -- Life would be easier if I had the source code. -- YHLOn Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:15:28 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:Yes, prima-facie it definitely looks good. Will start off with it while I await delivery of Andrei's book to my location.Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy.No need to wait that long. I second H.S. Teoh's suggestion to recommend reading this book too: http://ddili.org/ders/d.en/intro.html It's free, downloadable and right up to date.
Dec 02 2014
On 12/02/2014 09:15 AM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:BTW, how come all of you address him as Andrei? Is this group that informal?First name is the normal way of referring to colleagues here in the US, at least in Silicon Valley. Even the CEOs, board members, and all the other "top" people are referred to by their first names, even in person. Ali
Dec 02 2014
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy. BTW, how come all of you address him as Andrei?Heh -- possibly you haven't interacted on international technical mailing lists like this. For us (you and me) in India we are used to employ/expect such honorifics, and in fact it would be considered somewhat disrespectful if we didn't, but in my early days interacting with people from "western" countries on the net, I was actually discouraged from using "Mr" because it made people feel "old"! :-) FWIW while we're talking honorifics, he's *Dr* Alexandrescu as in Ph D doc. :-) [I'm one too, but you won't find me having mentioned it anywhere earlier! :-) That's informal.] Re Andrei's book versus Ali's, the latter is a more starting from the basics approach whereas Andrei's book is more targeted at people coming from other languages. (This is a judgment I read somewhere -- perhaps on this forum? -- and which I agree with, sorta.) -- Shriramana Sharma ஶ்ரீரமணஶர்மா श्रीरमणशर्मा
Dec 02 2014
On Wednesday, 3 December 2014 at 02:41:16 UTC, Shriramana Sharma via Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe via Digitalmars-d-learn <digitalmars-d-learn puremagic.com> wrote:yes, you are totally right. Ali's book is aiming at teaching D language to complete beginners where Andrei's book is aiming at teaching D language to people who are already programmers.Okay, if that is the case, I'll dive into Mr. Alexandrescu's book as soon as I get my copy. BTW, how come all of you address him as Andrei?Heh -- possibly you haven't interacted on international technical mailing lists like this. For us (you and me) in India we are used to employ/expect such honorifics, and in fact it would be considered somewhat disrespectful if we didn't, but in my early days interacting with people from "western" countries on the net, I was actually discouraged from using "Mr" because it made people feel "old"! :-) FWIW while we're talking honorifics, he's *Dr* Alexandrescu as in Ph D doc. :-) [I'm one too, but you won't find me having mentioned it anywhere earlier! :-) That's informal.] Re Andrei's book versus Ali's, the latter is a more starting from the basics approach whereas Andrei's book is more targeted at people coming from other languages. (This is a judgment I read somewhere -- perhaps on this forum? -- and which I agree with, sorta.)
Dec 05 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 17:04:57 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:54:50 UTC, CraigDillabaugh wrote:clipOn Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:38:34 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:Thanks for the welcome. :) I think I'll just work through Discrete Mathematics and Machine Organization before approaching Mr. Alexandrescu's book, would take up only 6 ~ 8 months of my time, and would be really good for me in the long term.I certainly wouldn't discourage from studying Discrete Mathematics or Machine Organization, as they are very helpful, but they are by no means per-requisites for Andrei's book - or D for that matter. Anyway, whatever course you decide to follow - have fun. S
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:38:34 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book. Thanks.An interesting thing about D (that C++ shares to a degree) is that it is sufficiently high level that you can write programs while knowing nothing about the underlying machine. At the same time (again, like C++) it is sufficiently low level that you have full access to the machine's capabilities if you want to use them. If you want to write an operating system in D, you will need to know about machine organization. If you are writing a command-line utility to process text, you don't need to know or care about the specifics of the underlying hardware.
Dec 02 2014
On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 21:10:33 UTC, Meta wrote:On Tuesday, 2 December 2014 at 16:38:34 UTC, Mayuresh Kathe wrote:And don't forget - and I'll say this again and again - the modeling power of D. Machines are only as intelligent as we make them (not talking about Terminator or The Matrix here!) and D is a good tool to make a machine work like reality.While I have been a programmer for close to 23 years, it's been mostly API level code cobbling work. Would like to learn "D", but am a bit intimidated by the fact that I don't have much of a grasp over the foundational stuff (discrete mathematics, machine organization, etc.) and hence am preparing for the same. Would like to know if there be anything else I should work through before approaching "D" via Mr. Alexandrescu's book. Thanks.An interesting thing about D (that C++ shares to a degree) is that it is sufficiently high level that you can write programs while knowing nothing about the underlying machine. At the same time (again, like C++) it is sufficiently low level that you have full access to the machine's capabilities if you want to use them. If you want to write an operating system in D, you will need to know about machine organization. If you are writing a command-line utility to process text, you don't need to know or care about the specifics of the underlying hardware.
Dec 05 2014