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reply Stephane C <skip5500 hotmail.com> writes:
Hello,
Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about to
abandon development of their IDE.

blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade
IDE.
Nov 04 2010
next sibling parent reply dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net> writes:
Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are about
to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade
IDE.

very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements
Nov 04 2010
parent reply "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net>  
wrote:

 Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are  
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a  
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a  
 professional-grade IDE.

very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements

I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as "a financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the main one. No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy it? And he could just get tired of various dmd bugs, that's also understandable.
Nov 04 2010
parent Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin schrieb:
 On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:56:16 +0300, dennis luehring <dl.soluz gmx.net> 
 wrote:
 
 Am 04.11.2010 09:58, schrieb Stephane C:
 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX 
 are about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for 
 a programming language to stand against Java or C# without a 
 professional-grade IDE.

very stupid "its all Ds fault" like statements

I think that's just an excuse. One of the main reasons is described as "a financial unability to maintain because of no sales", it could be the main one. No wonder here, I'd qualify the product as an early alpha. Who would buy it?

do autocompletion. (Honestly, I'm not sure I'd pay that much money for any IDE - there are free alternatives and mostly a text editor with syntax highlighting is enough. At least for smaller non-professional projects - I guess most D projects at the moment are like that.)
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Michal Minich <michal.minich gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 04:58:05 -0400, Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.
 
 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
 
 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Commercial doesn't mean professional. After asking such incredible price for product which has several better free alternatives, I'm not surprised nobody bought it. What is sad is the blame that should be directed at Author's inability in so much time to develop a product able to stand out of free alternatives, and with appropriate price for it's capabilities. It seems to me that Author itself is causal amateur programmer who stumbled upon D, broken hes knees and now is crying out loud. Visuald, Posiedon, Descent - to mention only few D specific IDEs I used which are better or comparable, and there are more I'm curious how he want to compete in C++ field. But as he says, it will take time, in which I will totally forgot about this.
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Ellery Newcomer <ellery-newcomer utulsa.edu> writes:
On 11/04/2010 03:58 AM, Stephane C wrote:
 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
programming language to stand against Java or C# without a professional-grade
IDE.

or a professional-grade compiler, for that matter
Nov 04 2010
prev sibling parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.
 
 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php
 
 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good enough. Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.
Nov 06 2010
next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
 Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good enough. Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.

Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good as JDT. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Nov 06 2010
parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
 Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good enough. Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.

Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good as JDT.

Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also looking forward to try DDT.
Nov 06 2010
parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-11-06 15:15, Lutger wrote:
 Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
 Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good enough. Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.

Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good as JDT.

Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also looking forward to try DDT.

It had/has a lot of bugs, crashing several times every day but it had/has more features than, for example, CDT and in the end I thought it was (still is) worth it because of all the features it has (most of the times). -- /Jacob Carlborg
Nov 07 2010
parent Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
On 11/07/2010 05:57 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2010-11-06 15:15, Lutger wrote:
 Jacob Carlborg wrote:

 On 2010-11-06 14:43, Lutger wrote:
 Stephane C wrote:

 Hello,
 Looking at the company blog, It seems that the people from BITPROX are
 about to abandon development of their IDE.

 blog address : http://bitprox.com/blog/blog5.php

 Sad news... I am personally convinced that there is little chance
 for a
 programming language to stand against Java or C# without a
 professional-grade IDE.

Perhaps, but bitprox ide was not professional grade by far. Plus, you need an outstanding ide in the commercial space, just professional is not good enough. Descent was the one ide that had the potential to compete with the very best C#/Java IDE's and beat every C++ IDE out here. (and it did so in some respects). But there are more projects, like Visual D and DDT.

Descent was/is far better than any C++ IDE I've seen. Now I'm waiting for Xcode 4 which contains a complete frontend hoping it will be as good as JDT.

Descent did have some polish problems and of course lacked in contributors too much. I hope that ddmd may eventually provide the semantic plumbing for D tools that is required to achieve such excellence as descent. I'm also looking forward to try DDT.

It had/has a lot of bugs, crashing several times every day but it had/has more features than, for example, CDT and in the end I thought it was (still is) worth it because of all the features it has (most of the times).

Yeah... Most of those bugs were my innability to deal with the ported parser/compiler, and I can't imagine another IDE with those semantic capabilities without using DMD's source code. Or... you could try to understand the compiler's logic and implement it in another way, more useful to an IDE, except that the logic is incredibly complex, even though the website says another thing. Or making a simpler IDE with not many semantic features, but that was a boring task for me. Are there any other implementation of a D compiler that don't use DMD as the frontend?
Nov 08 2010
prev sibling parent Trass3r <un known.com> writes:
 Are there any other implementation of a D compiler that don't use DMD as  
 the frontend?

dil and another still non-public project.
Nov 08 2010