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reply Gary Whatmore <no spam.sp> writes:
Hello again

I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(

 - G.W.
Mar 27 2011
next sibling parent reply Andrew Wiley <debio264 gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Gary Whatmore <no spam.sp> wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of t=

E CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAU= SE HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( = THE BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY= TROLL! :-( The problem with trolls is that when you do this, they win. No one likes them, but you've just got to learn to ignore them or you just make things worse.
Mar 27 2011
parent reply Alix Pexton <alix.DOT.pexton gmail.DOT.com> writes:
try this?

Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html

A...

On 28/03/2011 02:57, Andrew Wiley wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Gary Whatmore<no spam.sp>  wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(

The problem with trolls is that when you do this, they win. No one likes them, but you've just got to learn to ignore them or you just make things worse.

Mar 28 2011
next sibling parent reply Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
== Quote from Alix Pexton (alix.DOT.pexton gmail.DOT.com)'s article
 try this?
 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html
 A...
 On 28/03/2011 02:57, Andrew Wiley wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Gary Whatmore<no spam.sp>  wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of



ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL! :-(
 The problem with trolls is that when you do this, they win. No one
 likes them, but you've just got to learn to ignore them or you just
 make things worse.


It broke the flow of reading. Why is top posting bad? --- http://flamewarriors.com
Mar 28 2011
next sibling parent Alix Pexton <alix.DOT.pexton gmail.DOT.com> writes:
On 28/03/2011 10:36, Iain Buclaw wrote:
 == Quote from Alix Pexton (alix.DOT.pexton gmail.DOT.com)'s article
 try this?
 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html
 A...
 On 28/03/2011 02:57, Andrew Wiley wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Gary Whatmore<no spam.sp>   wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of



ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL! :-(
 The problem with trolls is that when you do this, they win. No one
 likes them, but you've just got to learn to ignore them or you just
 make things worse.


It broke the flow of reading. Why is top posting bad? --- http://flamewarriors.com

oops, rush >< A...
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling parent KennyTM~ <kennytm gmail.com> writes:
On Mar 28, 11 17:36, Iain Buclaw wrote:
 == Quote from Alix Pexton (alix.DOT.pexton gmail.DOT.com)'s article
 try this?
 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html
 A...
 On 28/03/2011 02:57, Andrew Wiley wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Gary Whatmore<no spam.sp>   wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of



ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL! :-(
 The problem with trolls is that when you do this, they win. No one
 likes them, but you've just got to learn to ignore them or you just
 make things worse.


It broke the flow of reading.

Only matters if you need to read all quotes in one message. If you read those in DFS order the flow isn't really broken since you already know what the quoted text is.
 Why is top posting bad?


 ---
 http://flamewarriors.com

Mar 28 2011
prev sibling parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
On 28/03/2011 10:03, Alix Pexton wrote:
 try this?

 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html

 A...

Ha, I saw that article recently, I think it may work for overly excited fanboys, or for people involved in a flame war, but not for trolls. In other words I think it only works for people honest with their intentions (even if very emotional about it), but not with people deliberately spreading confusion, FUD, or just getting a kick out of being a troll. -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Mar 29 2011
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 03/29/2011 07:14 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 On 28/03/2011 10:03, Alix Pexton wrote:
 try this?

 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html

 A...

Ha, I saw that article recently, I think it may work for overly excited fanboys, or for people involved in a flame war, but not for trolls. In other words I think it only works for people honest with their intentions (even if very emotional about it), but not with people deliberately spreading confusion, FUD, or just getting a kick out of being a troll.

(Disclaimer: I only skimmed it.) That must deal with the emotional reaction to trolling, but I have none. The only issue is that one individual is manipulating the system at reddit to spread disinformation. In addition, he is obsessively following Walter and finding fault with every word he says. We just need a principled approach to solving this problem. (When I'll find some time I'll do some stylometry - I'll create a language model from iliekcaeks' past texts and run it through parametricpoly's text. The styles are extremely similar and a language model will catch that. If the obtained perplexity is low, then that is indicative of socket puppetry. Not that that would be an Earth-shattering discovery :o).) I posted this last night in http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gcmj1/digital_mars_aka_the_d_programming_language/: ===== Registration is open for students starting today. Apply at the same location. We already have a strong lineup of mentors, projects, and students, and we're always looking for more. Good luck! ===== When I downvote a post, I do so if it's factually incorrect or trolling. By that standard one would hardly find the above off-topic inside a thread about D's participation to GSoC 2011. Yet this morning the post was buried at the end of the thread with 13 downvotes canceling 14 upvotes. This is particularly cynical because at the end of the day it's about some students making some money through the summer working on something they find fun. If e.g. the competing language Go would have a summer of code proposal and discussion, I'd find it heinous of me to try to make that information disappear or otherwise drive people away. Also, the GtkD announcement I made last night was deleted. I just emailed moderators about it. Leaving aside the fact that I'm doing what the authors of GtkD ought to be doing, I suspect moderators would automatically or semi-automatically delete a post if 10-20 users would click on "spam" for it. It's possible some socket puppets have been hard at work last night. Andrei
Mar 29 2011
parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
On 29/03/2011 16:22, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 03/29/2011 07:14 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 On 28/03/2011 10:03, Alix Pexton wrote:
 try this?

 Dealing with Internet Trolls - the Cognitive Therapy Approach
 http://unarmed.shlomifish.org/909.html

 A...

Ha, I saw that article recently, I think it may work for overly excited fanboys, or for people involved in a flame war, but not for trolls. In other words I think it only works for people honest with their intentions (even if very emotional about it), but not with people deliberately spreading confusion, FUD, or just getting a kick out of being a troll.

(Disclaimer: I only skimmed it.) That must deal with the emotional reaction to trolling, but I have none. The only issue is that one individual is manipulating the system at reddit to spread disinformation. In addition, he is obsessively following Walter and finding fault with every word he says. We just need a principled approach to solving this problem. (When I'll find some time I'll do some stylometry - I'll create a language model from iliekcaeks' past texts and run it through parametricpoly's text. The styles are extremely similar and a language model will catch that. If the obtained perplexity is low, then that is indicative of socket puppetry. Not that that would be an Earth-shattering discovery :o).) I posted this last night in http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/gcmj1/digital_mars_aka_the_d_programming_language/: ===== Registration is open for students starting today. Apply at the same location. We already have a strong lineup of mentors, projects, and students, and we're always looking for more. Good luck! ===== When I downvote a post, I do so if it's factually incorrect or trolling. By that standard one would hardly find the above off-topic inside a thread about D's participation to GSoC 2011. Yet this morning the post was buried at the end of the thread with 13 downvotes canceling 14 upvotes. This is particularly cynical because at the end of the day it's about some students making some money through the summer working on something they find fun. If e.g. the competing language Go would have a summer of code proposal and discussion, I'd find it heinous of me to try to make that information disappear or otherwise drive people away. Also, the GtkD announcement I made last night was deleted. I just emailed moderators about it. Leaving aside the fact that I'm doing what the authors of GtkD ought to be doing, I suspect moderators would automatically or semi-automatically delete a post if 10-20 users would click on "spam" for it. It's possible some socket puppets have been hard at work last night. Andrei

Are you saying all this drama regarding D in Reddit is mostly because it's D and a particular someone with an agenda regarding D, and is not the general ambiance of Reddit? Because I rarely hear about or follow Reddit links outside of the D NG, but when I do and check the discussions there, there is always some controversy or flaming going on. I was starting to grow the impression that Reddit is a huge troll cave (thus furthering my desire to avoid it), so correct me if I'm wrong. (because on the other hand you seem to favor posting stuff there a lot, versus other sites or news-aggregators) -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Apr 04 2011
next sibling parent Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+D gmail.com> writes:
Bruno Medeiros Wrote:

 Are you saying all this drama regarding D in Reddit is mostly because 
 it's D and a particular someone with an agenda regarding D, and is not 
 the general ambiance of Reddit?
 Because I rarely hear about or follow Reddit links outside of the D NG, 
 but when I do and check the discussions there, there is always some 
 controversy or flaming going on. I was starting to grow the impression 
 that Reddit is a huge troll cave (thus furthering my desire to avoid 
 it), so correct me if I'm wrong. (because on the other hand you seem to 
 favor posting stuff there a lot, versus other sites or news-aggregators)

There is nothing wrong with controversy. There are definitely subjects which result in flaming and crappy discussion, but reddit is a News or "Cool places to go" kind of website. Unlike other sites (digg) when you click an article you are taken to the page, not the comments.
Apr 04 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 4/4/2011 10:45 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 (because on the other hand you seem to favor posting stuff there a lot, versus
 other sites or news-aggregators)

Reddit is where the traffic is.
Apr 04 2011
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/4/11 12:45 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 Are you saying all this drama regarding D in Reddit is mostly because
 it's D and a particular someone with an agenda regarding D, and is not
 the general ambiance of Reddit?

Drama is always present where people are, but the particular hubbub surrounding D in reddit is largely (if not exclusively) the handiwork of one person (id iLiekCaeks). That person spares no effort to defame D and often Walter on reddit: brings D with a negative connotation with every remote opportunity; shows up ready to pick a fight (e.g. "how about that Tango vs. Phobos disaster?") every single time D is being discussed in any way, shape, or form; replies to every one of Walter's posts and finds issues with virtually everything he says. He is technically competent, stays current with D developments, and in fact could have many good points to make if he wanted to. My staunch approach is finding unity and conciliation; I have recently had conversations with that person that revealed that our views are considerably more aligned than it might seem. Even he seemed to agree, with varied levels of grudginess, with some of the language design decisions that inevitably forge compromises because they need to satisfy conflicting requirements. At the end of the day, professionals will understand there are things that can't be disagreed about and other things in which reasonable people can disagree.
 Because I rarely hear about or follow Reddit links outside of the D NG,
 but when I do and check the discussions there, there is always some
 controversy or flaming going on. I was starting to grow the impression
 that Reddit is a huge troll cave (thus furthering my desire to avoid
 it), so correct me if I'm wrong. (because on the other hand you seem to
 favor posting stuff there a lot, versus other sites or news-aggregators)

Generally reddit has the nice property that articles towards the top are relatively informative. It is a source of information used by many professionals and therefore a very appropriate place for sharing D-related news to the larger community. Top-rated comments may be often informative but are occasionally just funny. Reddit can be manipulated because their policy allows creating unlimited accounts and keeps them entirely private. That makes it relatively easy for a determined individual to use several accounts to comment, upvote, and downvote news. Case in point: I have recently made four submissions to reddit: GTK+, iPad2 contest, GSoC 2011, and the Mago debugger. Of these, three have been classified as spam, even though they actually have been on the site, upvoted, and discussed mostly positively for hours. What I infer happens is that if enough accounts classify an article as "spam", the spam detector automatically bans the article. If that hypothesis is true, a determined individual who is willing to spend time on that kind of activity can effectively make an article disappear. I had to write the moderators to have the articles reinstated, but that happened only a day later when their novelty had already decayed. One thing that I find a bit odd is that Walter and I need to do most of this all by ourselves, although there's significant pressure for us to do many other things for D. For example, after having suggested that the GTK+ news is shared on reddit and after having seen that not one soul cares to do that, I posted the article myself, followed up with moderators (twice) when it was manipulated into deletion, and made sure the article was reinstated. Speaking of GtkD, I have difficulty understanding someone who is confident and persistent enough to carry through a major piece of work, yet refuses to take a simple step towards letting others know about it. Also, I get a good chuckle when seeing the occasional "I'm ready to do anything, how can I help D?" thread on digitalmars.D. Such is human nature. Thanks, Andrei
Apr 04 2011
next sibling parent reply Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Am 04.04.2011 20:56, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu:
 On 4/4/11 12:45 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
 Are you saying all this drama regarding D in Reddit is mostly because
 it's D and a particular someone with an agenda regarding D, and is not
 the general ambiance of Reddit?

Drama is always present where people are, but the particular hubbub surrounding D in reddit is largely (if not exclusively) the handiwork of one person (id iLiekCaeks). That person spares no effort to defame D and often Walter on reddit: brings D with a negative connotation with every remote opportunity; shows up ready to pick a fight (e.g. "how about that Tango vs. Phobos disaster?") every single time D is being discussed in any way, shape, or form; replies to every one of Walter's posts and finds issues with virtually everything he says. He is technically competent, stays current with D developments, and in fact could have many good points to make if he wanted to. My staunch approach is finding unity and conciliation; I have recently had conversations with that person that revealed that our views are considerably more aligned than it might seem. Even he seemed to agree, with varied levels of grudginess, with some of the language design decisions that inevitably forge compromises because they need to satisfy conflicting requirements. At the end of the day, professionals will understand there are things that can't be disagreed about and other things in which reasonable people can disagree.
 Because I rarely hear about or follow Reddit links outside of the D NG,
 but when I do and check the discussions there, there is always some
 controversy or flaming going on. I was starting to grow the impression
 that Reddit is a huge troll cave (thus furthering my desire to avoid
 it), so correct me if I'm wrong. (because on the other hand you seem to
 favor posting stuff there a lot, versus other sites or news-aggregators)

Generally reddit has the nice property that articles towards the top are relatively informative. It is a source of information used by many professionals and therefore a very appropriate place for sharing D-related news to the larger community. Top-rated comments may be often informative but are occasionally just funny. Reddit can be manipulated because their policy allows creating unlimited accounts and keeps them entirely private. That makes it relatively easy for a determined individual to use several accounts to comment, upvote, and downvote news. Case in point: I have recently made four submissions to reddit: GTK+, iPad2 contest, GSoC 2011, and the Mago debugger. Of these, three have been classified as spam, even though they actually have been on the site, upvoted, and discussed mostly positively for hours. What I infer happens is that if enough accounts classify an article as "spam", the spam detector automatically bans the article. If that hypothesis is true, a determined individual who is willing to spend time on that kind of activity can effectively make an article disappear. I had to write the moderators to have the articles reinstated, but that happened only a day later when their novelty had already decayed. One thing that I find a bit odd is that Walter and I need to do most of this all by ourselves, although there's significant pressure for us to do many other things for D. For example, after having suggested that the GTK+ news is shared on reddit and after having seen that not one soul cares to do that, I posted the article myself, followed up with moderators (twice) when it was manipulated into deletion, and made sure the article was reinstated. Speaking of GtkD, I have difficulty understanding someone who is confident and persistent enough to carry through a major piece of work, yet refuses to take a simple step towards letting others know about it. Also, I get a good chuckle when seeing the occasional "I'm ready to do anything, how can I help D?" thread on digitalmars.D. Such is human nature. Thanks, Andrei

And on the other hand there's Gary Whatmore and his army of sockpuppets voting down D critics and giving the whole community a bad name with his extreme (pseudo-?) fanboyism.
Apr 04 2011
next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 4/4/11 2:03 PM, Daniel Gibson wrote:
 And on the other hand there's Gary Whatmore and his army of sockpuppets
 voting down D critics and giving the whole community a bad name with his
 extreme (pseudo-?) fanboyism.

Good point. I should also add that it's a possibility that an article is classified as spam if it receives many positive votes in a short time from the same IP or something. Such votes could come from a well-intended or not-so-well-intended person and are bad either way. Also, if I were reddit I'd prefer accuracy to coverage, which means it's better if the occasional good article is classified as spam Anyway, I'm not up to improve the Internet here. But I do believe what we could and should to is to improve D and people's views on it. Andrei
Apr 04 2011
prev sibling parent reply Matthias Pleh <jens konrad.net> writes:
Am 04.04.2011 21:03, schrieb Daniel Gibson:
 And on the other hand there's Gary Whatmore and his army of sockpuppets
 voting down D critics and giving the whole community a bad name with his
 extreme (pseudo-?) fanboyism.

Just one silly person, who is running http://redditroll.com/salespage/
Apr 04 2011
parent Matthias Pleh <jens konrad.net> writes:
Am 04.04.2011 21:34, schrieb Steven Schveighoffer:
 So 100 people get to have redditroll

It's obviously, that he will sell more than this 100 copies ... (or try to sell)
Apr 04 2011
prev sibling parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
On 04/04/2011 19:56, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 One thing that I find a bit odd is that Walter and I need to do most of
 this all by ourselves, although there's significant pressure for us to
 do many other things for D. For example, after having suggested that the
 GTK+ news is shared on reddit and after having seen that not one soul
 cares to do that, I posted the article myself, followed up with
 moderators (twice) when it was manipulated into deletion, and made sure
 the article was reinstated.

 Speaking of GtkD, I have difficulty understanding someone who is
 confident and persistent enough to carry through a major piece of work,
 yet refuses to take a simple step towards letting others know about it.
 Also, I get a good chuckle when seeing the occasional "I'm ready to do
 anything, how can I help D?" thread on digitalmars.D. Such is human nature.

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't post a link to reddit, or any similar site, because I don't read/use one, thus I'm not even familiar with the specifics of how the site works, it's environment and culture. Actually the only generic (and technical) news website I follow is Slashdot. I haven't yet felt motivated to read Reddit (for D or otherwise) or any other similar site. I'm not saying this is the best approach, even for me personally, nor that Reddit is not popular or important, I agree it likely is. But I just haven't found Reddit or some other site or site usage that works for me, that I feel interested in following. And thus I wouldn't be very comfortable participating in such a site as producer only (posting links), but not a consumer (following feeds?). -- Bruno Medeiros - Software Engineer
Apr 06 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply FeepingCreature <default_357-line yahoo.de> writes:
On 28.03.2011 03:45, Gary Whatmore wrote:
 Hello again
 
 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(
 
  - G.W.

Are you the idiot with the sockpuppets? Good job giving all of us a bad name.
Mar 28 2011
next sibling parent reply random lurker <a a.com> writes:
FeepingCreature Wrote:

 On 28.03.2011 03:45, Gary Whatmore wrote:
 Hello again
 
 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(
 
  - G.W.

Are you the idiot with the sockpuppets? Good job giving all of us a bad name.

Gary Whatmore's message looks like a troll post to me. Could even be iLiekCaeks himself.
Mar 28 2011
parent reply FeepingCreature <default_357-line yahoo.de> writes:
On 28.03.2011 15:19, random lurker wrote:
 FeepingCreature Wrote:
 
 On 28.03.2011 03:45, Gary Whatmore wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(

  - G.W.

Are you the idiot with the sockpuppets? Good job giving all of us a bad name.

Gary Whatmore's message looks like a troll post to me. Could even be iLiekCaeks himself.

ILiekCakes actually has some good points once you get past the instinctive fanboy's revulsion for people who are not in awe of D. ;)
Mar 28 2011
next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 3/28/2011 7:31 AM, FeepingCreature wrote:
 ILiekCakes actually has some good points once you get past the instinctive
 fanboy's revulsion for people who are not in awe of D. ;)

Trying to give the impression that I'm responsible for Tango's choice of license isn't one of them. To reiterate: 1. None of Phobos is or ever was BSD licensed. 2. I never suggested to the Tango devs that they use BSD. 3. The Tango devs never asked me what license to use and never included me in any discussion about it. 4. I have offered to them the ability to adapt any Phobos module to Tango and relicense it as necessary for anything I have the right to do so.
Mar 28 2011
parent FeepingCreature <default_357-line yahoo.de> writes:
On 28.03.2011 20:51, Walter Bright wrote:
 On 3/28/2011 7:31 AM, FeepingCreature wrote:
 ILiekCakes actually has some good points once you get past the
 instinctive
 fanboy's revulsion for people who are not in awe of D. ;)

Trying to give the impression that I'm responsible for Tango's choice of license isn't one of them. To reiterate: 1. None of Phobos is or ever was BSD licensed. 2. I never suggested to the Tango devs that they use BSD. 3. The Tango devs never asked me what license to use and never included me in any discussion about it. 4. I have offered to them the ability to adapt any Phobos module to Tango and relicense it as necessary for anything I have the right to do so.

I didn't say all his points were good. The Tango mess is just miscommunication and rumours flying left and right, and I do applaud you for persistently trying to clear it up.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 3/28/11 9:31 AM, FeepingCreature wrote:
 On 28.03.2011 15:19, random lurker wrote:
 FeepingCreature Wrote:

 On 28.03.2011 03:45, Gary Whatmore wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started
 accusing me of trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN
 REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE
 LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE HE'S SOME MENTALLY
 ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE BEST
 WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO
 AWAY TROLL! :-(

 - G.W.

Are you the idiot with the sockpuppets? Good job giving all of us a bad name.

Gary Whatmore's message looks like a troll post to me. Could even be iLiekCaeks himself.

ILiekCakes actually has some good points once you get past the instinctive fanboy's revulsion for people who are not in awe of D. ;)

I've never had an emotional response to such posts but I'd be hard pressed to gather insight tidbits from them. He has technical knowledge and follows developments in D with a zeal worth of a nobler cause, but all he tries is to manipulate everything and everyone to make D look bad and to derail any constructive discussion. I'm surprised you are falling for that. His recent longer rants reveal some quite interesting personality issues and give insights into his ulterior motives and their origins. Probably an interesting case for a social psychologist. Anyway, just like in the case of 'retard', the main annoyance to me is wasted time on such a low signal/noise ratio. Reddit is difficult to browse as is. One of these days I'll spend 15 minutes finding and installing a good killfile-like reddit browser extension. (Does anyone know of one?) Andrei
Mar 28 2011
next sibling parent Max Samukha <max spam.box> writes:
On 03/28/2011 10:29 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 His recent longer rants reveal some quite interesting personality issues
 and give insights into his ulterior motives and their origins. Probably
 an interesting case for a social psychologist.

Yeah, the next step is to label him a psycho and put into a nuthouse.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 3/28/11 5:03 PM, Bernard Helyer wrote:
 On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:29:42 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Anyway, just like in the case of 'retard', the main annoyance to me is
 wasted time on such a low signal/noise ratio. Reddit is difficult to
 browse as is. One of these days I'll spend 15 minutes finding and
 installing a good killfile-like reddit browser extension. (Does anyone
 know of one?)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement Install that, click the underscore next to one of his postings, enter a tag (doesn't matter what it is) and check 'ignore'. Refresh, and his postings will be replaced with "this user has been ignored". If you want something stronger, you can set it to remove the entire comment block.

Awesome. Thank you! Andrei
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling parent reply jasonw <user webmails.org> writes:
Bernard Helyer Wrote:

 On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:29:42 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Anyway, just like in the case of 'retard', the main annoyance to me is
 wasted time on such a low signal/noise ratio. Reddit is difficult to
 browse as is. One of these days I'll spend 15 minutes finding and
 installing a good killfile-like reddit browser extension. (Does anyone
 know of one?)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement Install that, click the underscore next to one of his postings, enter a tag (doesn't matter what it is) and check 'ignore'. Refresh, and his postings will be replaced with "this user has been ignored". If you want something stronger, you can set it to remove the entire comment block.

That's perfect. One of D's biggest problems are these nutheads. Unfortunately this place isn't unique in any way, I meet these at work too. Often these are in charge of some major open source project like the gnu libc. I hope Andrei's corporation won't ever been hiring these folks. Bruno and Google probably also use their search results and AI competence to block his job applications. In my opinion the best would be if these sick people wouldn't work at all as computer engineers. Preferably they could stay employed and die of starvation or commit a suicide. The world doesn't need them. I'd say they don't even deserve a normal life with benefits such as a girlfriend, but then again these are lonely university dropout nerds living in their parent's basement, still using old CRT tubes and ranting about their superiority on internet forums.
Mar 28 2011
parent Adam D. Ruppe <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
I don't think discussions like this are productive.

Let's just write some code and prove them wrong.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Denis Koroskin:

 I always thought FeepingCreature/ILiekCakes/downs are the same person. Am  
 I wrong?

Feep is a bit messy programmer, but he's a good programmer, I have seen many things written by him. If they are the same person, then he has a quite complex psychology ;-) Bye, bearophile
Mar 28 2011
parent FeepingCreature <default_357-line yahoo.de> writes:
On 28.03.2011 23:32, bearophile wrote:
 Denis Koroskin:
 
 I always thought FeepingCreature/ILiekCakes/downs are the same person. Am  
 I wrong?

Feep is a bit messy programmer, but he's a good programmer, I have seen many things written by him. If they are the same person, then he has a quite complex psychology ;-) Bye, bearophile

I was d|owns but that name was stupid. Got the idea for FeepingCreature in the NHD, checked on Slashdot and it wasn't taken. Then I went ahead and standardized on that across all my accounts. I'm not wm4 either :-)
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
killfile-like? You mean with an option to ignore posts from certain
users? This should do the trick:

http://reddit.honestbleeps.com/
```User Tagger - now with ignore!
Allows you to set a tag and highlight color for any user on reddit
that is applied whenever you see their name. New in v1.1 - also
*allows you to ignore comments/posts from users you don't like*! ```
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:31:54 +0400, FeepingCreature  
<default_357-line yahoo.de> wrote:

 On 28.03.2011 15:19, random lurker wrote:
 FeepingCreature Wrote:

 On 28.03.2011 03:45, Gary Whatmore wrote:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me  
 of trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS  
 DRIVING ME CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM.  
 BASHING D JUST BECAUSE HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO  
 KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES  
 AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL! :-(

  - G.W.

Are you the idiot with the sockpuppets? Good job giving all of us a bad name.

Gary Whatmore's message looks like a troll post to me. Could even be iLiekCaeks himself.

ILiekCakes actually has some good points once you get past the instinctive fanboy's revulsion for people who are not in awe of D. ;)

I always thought FeepingCreature/ILiekCakes/downs are the same person. Am I wrong?
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Bernard Helyer <b.helyer gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:29:42 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Anyway, just like in the case of 'retard', the main annoyance to me is
 wasted time on such a low signal/noise ratio. Reddit is difficult to
 browse as is. One of these days I'll spend 15 minutes finding and
 installing a good killfile-like reddit browser extension. (Does anyone
 know of one?)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Enhancement Install that, click the underscore next to one of his postings, enter a tag (doesn't matter what it is) and check 'ignore'. Refresh, and his postings will be replaced with "this user has been ignored". If you want something stronger, you can set it to remove the entire comment block.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling parent Andrew Wiley <debio264 gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Adam D. Ruppe
<destructionator gmail.com> wrote:
 I don't think discussions like this are productive.

 Let's just write some code and prove them wrong.

An excellent thought.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+D gmail.com> writes:
I do to. Why do you like cakes?

Really I think IlikeCakes has been fairly healthy criticism. For the most part
he sounds like a Tango user who is pissed because D2 no longer supports it. But
he generally does bring true issues forth. He is also fairly informed on the
current status of D, but isn't actually using it to have accurate count of real
issues.

Leave him alone, he may have a vendetta against D, but at least he hasn't been
petty, at least I don't think he is down voting all posts about D.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Bernard Helyer <b.helyer gmail.com> writes:
wm4/iLiekCakes is a smart guy, and decent enough if you're not talking 
about D. However, he consistently makes shit up about D if he doesn't 
know it, and is a pretty constant troll.
Mar 28 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Daniel Gibson <metalcaedes gmail.com> writes:
Am 28.03.2011 03:45, schrieb Gary Whatmore:
 Hello again

 I've stayed quiet for a long time because people started accusing me of
trolling. But now, I REALLY HATE THIS IDIOT IN REDDIT!!!!  HE IS DRIVING ME
CRAZY. ASSHOLE ASSWIPE SHITHOLE LUNATIC. I HATE HIM. BASHING D JUST BECAUSE
HE'S SOME MENTALLY ILL PSYCHOPATE WANTING TO KILL ANDREI AND WALTER :-( THE
BEST WE CAN DO IS FIND I LIKE CAKES AND DOWNVOTE ALL HIS VOTES. GO AWAY TROLL!
:-(

   - G.W.

Thank god that you're not mentally ill or something. Your post sounds totally sane. Just like having sock-puppets at reddit to downvote D critics is totally sane.
Mar 29 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:25:44 -0400, Matthias Pleh <jens konrad.net> wrote:

 Am 04.04.2011 21:03, schrieb Daniel Gibson:
 And on the other hand there's Gary Whatmore and his army of sockpuppets
 voting down D critics and giving the whole community a bad name with his
 extreme (pseudo-?) fanboyism.

Just one silly person, who is running http://redditroll.com/salespage/

That page is hillarious! So 100 people get to have redditroll, at $30, that makes for $3000 in total sales, for something that obviously took more than $3000 to create (based on the screenshots). Either that page is complete BS, or someone stole something. I'm leaning towards the former. But I've also seen people try to say they wrote a slightly modified open office because they were "sick of paying the microsoft tax!", so it could be the latter also. -Steve
Apr 04 2011
prev sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:22:56 -0400, Matthias Pleh <jens konrad.net> wrote:

 Am 04.04.2011 21:34, schrieb Steven Schveighoffer:
 So 100 people get to have redditroll

It's obviously, that he will sell more than this 100 copies ... (or try to sell)

or already has... But I just love the sales pitch "Even if you email me and *beg* to buy it at twice the price, no sir, I won't do it! I have too much integrity!" That's classic ;) -Steve
Apr 04 2011