• Ben Hinkle <bhinkle4 juno.com> Aug 02 2004
• "Matthew" <admin.hat stlsoft.dot.org> Aug 02 2004
• "Mickey Finn" <horizon blackhole.net> Aug 02 2004
• Andy Friesen <andy ikagames.com> Aug 02 2004
• Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> Aug 02 2004
• Ben Hinkle <bhinkle4 juno.com> Aug 03 2004

Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should 
1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted) or
2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or
3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or
4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.

I ask because in MinTL a Map is sorted and in DTL it is unsorted. I'm
tempted to rename the MinTL Map to SortedMap. Thoughts?

-Ben

ps - I say "STL-like" and "Java-like" out of ignorance of any other
programming language out there that has sorted and/or unsorted maps.

"Ben Hinkle" <bhinkle4 juno.com> wrote in message
news:cemuln$kv2$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should
 1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted) or
 2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or


I would say 2)

This is the one I generally mean when I say map. IMO, the sorted nature of
STL's map is pretty unimportant.

 3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or


I vote for 3). (Feel free to pick me up whenever I use the unadorned term.)

 4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.

 I ask because in MinTL a Map is sorted and in DTL it is unsorted. I'm
 tempted to rename the MinTL Map to SortedMap. Thoughts?


I think that's a good idea. I'm open, in the future, to removing Map and having
either SortedMap or UnsortedMap.

 -Ben

 ps - I say "STL-like" and "Java-like" out of ignorance of any other
 programming language out there that has sorted and/or unsorted maps.


I think STL-like and Java-like are apposite terms for our discussions, and we
should adopt them as semi-official
terminology. :)

FWIW, I think a Map should perhaps be somewhat abstract. Therefore a sorted
version would be considered a specialization? I think SortedMap would be a
better name for the sorted version. There again, I'm a firm believer in
splitting a class into it's respective mutable and immutable versions (where
feasible) ... so go figure :-)


"Ben Hinkle" <bhinkle4 juno.com> wrote in message
news:cemuln$kv2$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should
 1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted)


 2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or
 3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or
 4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.

 I ask because in MinTL a Map is sorted and in DTL it is unsorted. I'm
 tempted to rename the MinTL Map to SortedMap. Thoughts?

 -Ben

 ps - I say "STL-like" and "Java-like" out of ignorance of any other
 programming language out there that has sorted and/or unsorted maps.

Ben Hinkle wrote:
 Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should 
 1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted) or
 2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or
 3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or
 4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.
 
 I ask because in MinTL a Map is sorted and in DTL it is unsorted. I'm
 tempted to rename the MinTL Map to SortedMap. Thoughts?
 
 -Ben
 
 ps - I say "STL-like" and "Java-like" out of ignorance of any other
 programming language out there that has sorted and/or unsorted maps.


I would say that 'Map' is free to sort, but is not obligated to.  If you 
actually care about whether a given map sorts or not, use a SortedMap or 
an UnsortedMap.

(you could just alias one or the other to Map even)

  -- andy

In article <cemuln$kv2$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Ben Hinkle says...
Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should 
1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted) or
2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or
3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or
4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.


Well, the STL has (or will have) map, multimap, and hash_map.  So there are
provisions for sorted and unsorted maps in C++.  I'd say the term "map" is
general and might have several different implementations, depending on need.
I'd like to have both if possible.


Sean

Ben Hinkle wrote:

 Before the vocabulary gets too confusing, should
 1) we try to use the word "map" in D to mean an STL-like map (ie sorted)
 or 2) have "map" mean a Java-like Map (not necessarily sorted) or
 3) always use "sorted map" and "unsorted map" or
 4) ignore the difference and let the context determine which is meant.
 
 I ask because in MinTL a Map is sorted and in DTL it is unsorted. I'm
 tempted to rename the MinTL Map to SortedMap. Thoughts?
 
 -Ben
 
 ps - I say "STL-like" and "Java-like" out of ignorance of any other
 programming language out there that has sorted and/or unsorted maps.


After pondering this map thing some more, I'm also considering renaming
MinTL's Map to SortedAA (for sorted associative array) instead of
SortedMap. The reason is that 
1) D uses the phrase "associative array" instead of "map"
2) MinTL also has a LinkedAA which is an associative array ordered by
insertion order. 
The trouble with the term "associative array" is that it's a mouthful and it
doesn't lend itself to nice class names. "Map" is simpler to say and use in
names. oh well. I'll probably end up with SortedAA and LinkedAA and avoid
"map" entirely.