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reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
who only want to track, uh, announcements.

Sigh,
Brad
Mar 06 2007
next sibling parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:

 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
 announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
 who only want to track, uh, announcements.

Guilty as charged. Maybe a mandatory Reply-To: over to d.D or D.gnu ? --anders
Mar 07 2007
next sibling parent reply Lionello Lunesu <lio lunesu.remove.com> writes:
Anders F Björklund wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being 
 an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for 
 people who only want to track, uh, announcements.

Guilty as charged. Maybe a mandatory Reply-To: over to d.D or D.gnu ? --anders

That seems like a good idea.. Every post to .announce should go to any of the other groups as well, and replies to the post in .announce should go only to that other group. Is this possible? L.
Mar 07 2007
parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Lionello Lunesu Wrote:

<snip>
 That seems like a good idea..  Every post to .announce should 
 go to any of the other groups as well, and replies to the post 
 in .announce should go only to that other group.
 
 Is this possible?

In a newsreader - yes. In the web interface - no. It's yet another of its snags. Stewart.
Mar 07 2007
prev sibling parent reply Howard Berkey <howard well.com> writes:
Anders F Bj&#65533;klund Wrote:

 Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
 announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
 who only want to track, uh, announcements.

Guilty as charged. Maybe a mandatory Reply-To: over to d.D or D.gnu ? --anders

Guilty here too, mostly of "Thank you, FooBar is great!" replies that from now on I will just email. I like the idea of a required Followup-To: to digitalmars.D; seems like a good choice.
Mar 07 2007
parent reply Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Howard Berkey wrote:
 Anders F Bj&#65533;klund Wrote:
 
 Brad Roberts wrote:

 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
 announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
 who only want to track, uh, announcements.

--anders

Guilty here too, mostly of "Thank you, FooBar is great!" replies that from now on I will just email. I like the idea of a required Followup-To: to digitalmars.D; seems like a good choice.

I think such messages are harmless in D.announce. But I don't know if others think the same. -- Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Mar 07 2007
parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Bruno Medeiros" <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> wrote in message 
news:esn8r0$in6$1 digitalmars.com...
 I think such messages are harmless in D.announce. But I don't know if 
 others think the same.

I agree. All the topics are announcing things; if there's discussion on the topic, well, I don't see any problem with that. Forcing discussion to take place on another group than the one on which the original post was made for the sake of "appropriateness" just seems pedantic to me.
Mar 07 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k002 sneakemail.com> writes:
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:

 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
 announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
 who only want to track, uh, announcements.
 
 Sigh,
 Brad

Brad what are you talking about ?? Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement, or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)
Mar 07 2007
next sibling parent reply BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Knud Soerensen wrote:
 On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 
It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
who only want to track, uh, announcements.

Sigh,
Brad

Brad what are you talking about ?? Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement, or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)

my thought exactly
Mar 07 2007
next sibling parent BCS <BCS pathlink.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 
 The client I use is perfectly capable of threading, but that's not the 
 point.
 
 The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an 
 announcement newsgroup.  The purpose of having one separate from a 
 general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific 
 place for real announcements.
 
 It's not a difficult concept.
 
 Later,
 Brad

How about adding a digitalmars.d.announce.moderated that gets the main posts and anything posted there get mirrored to announce where people can reply. It might be useful if it could be set up as unmoderated but so it wont accept replies. OTOH The only signal to noise ratio I care about it how many of the threads I care about. Lots of them, it's the replys that I find interesting. I guess I'm not seeing the benefit you are looking for.
Mar 07 2007
prev sibling parent reply janderson <askme me.com> writes:
Knud Soerensen wrote:
 On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:15:08 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:
 
 BCS wrote:
 Knud Soerensen wrote:
 On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:


 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much 
 more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being 
 an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for 
 people who only want to track, uh, announcements.

 Sigh,
 Brad

Brad what are you talking about ?? Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement, or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)


point. The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an announcement newsgroup. The purpose of having one separate from a general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific place for real announcements. It's not a difficult concept. Later, Brad

I get the concept but I don't understand your reason for the suggestion. Why don't you just read the first post in each tread ?? (or get your newsreader to filter everything else away.) I really like the announcement newsgroup as it is. Knud

Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they often they do go off track. Things like feature start being discussed ect... Also there have been a few announcements that I would not consider announcements. Sometimes someone mentions something they posted a few days back and I don't have a clue. It often turns up buried in the announce group. I think a polite user-driven redirection email would suffice. ie -> see answer in newsgroup.X. Or perhaps a little message associated with each newsgroup on the Digitalmars webpage detailing what each is about would help (and a link to some wiki page for more details). I'm however not to fussed about this issue either.
Mar 07 2007
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
janderson wrote:
 Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they 
 often they do go off track.  Things like feature start being discussed 
 ect...  Also there have been a few announcements that I would not 
 consider announcements.

My main (and minor) issue is when, say, a new release of X comes out, then the thread diverges into something about Y. People interested in Y won't find it by looking at the thread titles, and google's search will probably bury it, too. The newsgroup archives are a very valuable resource, and having an eye towards using a relevant thread subject line will help make them even more useful. This isn't a big deal, it just helps. The thank-you messages are fine and good, and help keep us motivated!
Mar 08 2007
next sibling parent Roberto Mariottini <rmariottini mail.com> writes:
I think that the announce newsgroup shouldn't be cluttered with 
discussions about specific features.

Maybe cross-posting an announce to both digitalmars.D.announce and 
digitalmars.D and setting the followup-to field to digitalmars.D can be 
useful. Better if you specify explicitly in the posting "Follow-ups to 
digitalmars.D, not this newsgroup".

Ciao
Mar 08 2007
prev sibling parent janderson <askme me.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:
 janderson wrote:
 Personally I don't mind announcements being replied to however they 
 often they do go off track.  Things like feature start being discussed 
 ect...  Also there have been a few announcements that I would not 
 consider announcements.

My main (and minor) issue is when, say, a new release of X comes out, then the thread diverges into something about Y. People interested in Y won't find it by looking at the thread titles, and google's search will probably bury it, too.

Agreed. I also have appreciated when people have (in particular you) start a new thread for insanely long threads. -Joel
Mar 08 2007
prev sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Knud Soerensen wrote:
 On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:


 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much 
 more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being 
 an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for 
 people who only want to track, uh, announcements.

 Sigh,
 Brad

Brad what are you talking about ?? Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement, or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)

my thought exactly

The client I use is perfectly capable of threading, but that's not the point. The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an announcement newsgroup. The purpose of having one separate from a general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific place for real announcements. It's not a difficult concept. Later, Brad
Mar 07 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Knud Soerensen <4tuu4k002 sneakemail.com> writes:
On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:15:08 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:

 BCS wrote:
 Knud Soerensen wrote:
 On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:34:38 -0800, Brad Roberts wrote:


 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much 
 more than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being 
 an announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for 
 people who only want to track, uh, announcements.

 Sigh,
 Brad

Brad what are you talking about ?? Do you suggest that people shouldn't be allow to reply on announcement, or are you say that you news read is incapable of showing a thread view ;-)

my thought exactly

The client I use is perfectly capable of threading, but that's not the point. The point is that the announcement newsgroup isn't being used as an announcement newsgroup. The purpose of having one separate from a general discussion newsgroup is to have a high signal low noise specific place for real announcements. It's not a difficult concept. Later, Brad

I get the concept but I don't understand your reason for the suggestion. Why don't you just read the first post in each tread ?? (or get your newsreader to filter everything else away.) I really like the announcement newsgroup as it is. Knud
Mar 07 2007
prev sibling parent Pragma <ericanderton yahoo.removeme.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:
 It seems to me that the .announce newsgroup is being used as much more 
 than an announcement list.  It's essentially a second version of 
 digitalmars.D.  What would it take to change .announce back to being an 
 announcement only newsgroup?  It'd help keep the noise down for people 
 who only want to track, uh, announcements.
 
 Sigh,
 Brad

Personally, I only have a problem with this when I cruise the group in "firehose mode" (list all by date). I gave up doing things that way about a year ago. IMO, any of the D newsgroups are really only useful in threaded mode, since there's so much happening simultaneously these days. But as far as making .announce being post-but-not-reply only? That might be kind of nice. -- - EricAnderton at yahoo
Mar 09 2007