• Stephan <spam extrawurst.org> Jan 19 2010
• Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> Jan 19 2010
• Matthias Pleh <matthias.pleh gmx.at> Jan 19 2010
• Eldar Insafutdinov <e.insafutdinov gmail.com> Jan 19 2010
• Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> Jan 19 2010
• Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> Jan 19 2010
• bobef <aasd.aasdasd.asd.ad.ad.as.d.a asdasdas.das.da.d.ad.sa.d> Jan 21 2010

Stephan <spam extrawurst.org> writes:

I dunno if anyone knew this before but i wanted to give my kudos to a 
guy that did a lot for the D community by developing the still best 
debugger for the D Programming Language Ddbg 
(http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html)

The question often came up why it is not updated anymore. Well the 
reason for this is that Jascha Wetzel the developer of Ddbg earns the 
big bucks now with his product Turbolence 4D (http://jawset.com/) and 
his company "Jawset Visual Computing"

"TURBULENCE.4D makes the most realistic and efficient methods in CG 
fluid dynamics available in standard software"

Well and recently his product got used in the new Bruce Willis movie 
"Surrogates" (http://chooseyoursurrogate.com/).

All in all I whish him the best for the future and that he will never 
forget D when developing next cutting edge software.



The downside is that Ddbg finally needs a new developer for the future 
to get updated.

Moritz Warning <moritzwarning web.de> writes:

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:43:32 +0100, Stephan wrote:

 I dunno if anyone knew this before but i wanted to give my kudos to a
 guy that did a lot for the D community by developing the still best
 debugger for the D Programming Language Ddbg
 (http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html)
 
 The question often came up why it is not updated anymore. Well the
 reason for this is that Jascha Wetzel the developer of Ddbg earns the
 big bucks now with his product Turbolence 4D (http://jawset.com/) and
 his company "Jawset Visual Computing"


Best wishes. :=)

Matthias Pleh <matthias.pleh gmx.at> writes:

Stephan schrieb:
 I dunno if anyone knew this before but i wanted to give my kudos to a 
 guy that did a lot for the D community by developing the still best 
 debugger for the D Programming Language Ddbg 
 (http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html)
 
 The question often came up why it is not updated anymore. Well the 
 reason for this is that Jascha Wetzel the developer of Ddbg earns the 
 big bucks now with his product Turbolence 4D (http://jawset.com/) and 
 his company "Jawset Visual Computing"
 
 "TURBULENCE.4D makes the most realistic and efficient methods in CG 
 fluid dynamics available in standard software"
 
 Well and recently his product got used in the new Bruce Willis movie 
 "Surrogates" (http://chooseyoursurrogate.com/).
 
 All in all I whish him the best for the future and that he will never 
 forget D when developing next cutting edge software.
 
 
 
 The downside is that Ddbg finally needs a new developer for the future 
 to get updated.



In the second part of the mentioned restrictions in the license.txt is 
written:
* You may only redistribute the software unmodified, in the form and
   prepackaging it is available from the official website.

It's seems as if redistributing of a changed version is not allowed.
(But perhaps my english understanding is not good enought, I'm not an 
english native speaker :)
So in this case, we need to write a debugger from scratch.

greets
matthias

Eldar Insafutdinov <e.insafutdinov gmail.com> writes:

Matthias Pleh Wrote:

 Stephan schrieb:
 I dunno if anyone knew this before but i wanted to give my kudos to a 
 guy that did a lot for the D community by developing the still best 
 debugger for the D Programming Language Ddbg 
 (http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html)
 
 The question often came up why it is not updated anymore. Well the 
 reason for this is that Jascha Wetzel the developer of Ddbg earns the 
 big bucks now with his product Turbolence 4D (http://jawset.com/) and 
 his company "Jawset Visual Computing"
 
 "TURBULENCE.4D makes the most realistic and efficient methods in CG 
 fluid dynamics available in standard software"
 
 Well and recently his product got used in the new Bruce Willis movie 
 "Surrogates" (http://chooseyoursurrogate.com/).
 
 All in all I whish him the best for the future and that he will never 
 forget D when developing next cutting edge software.
 
 
 
 The downside is that Ddbg finally needs a new developer for the future 
 to get updated.


 
 In the second part of the mentioned restrictions in the license.txt is 
 written:
 * You may only redistribute the software unmodified, in the form and
    prepackaging it is available from the official website.
 
 It's seems as if redistributing of a changed version is not allowed.
 (But perhaps my english understanding is not good enought, I'm not an 
 english native speaker :)
 So in this case, we need to write a debugger from scratch.
 
 greets
 matthias


I am sure if one has a strong intent to take over ddbg development, Jascha
would not mind changing the license for this project, since he is not
interested in it himself.

Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:

On 01/19/2010 09:32 PM, Matthias Pleh wrote:
 Stephan schrieb:
 I dunno if anyone knew this before but i wanted to give my kudos to a
 guy that did a lot for the D community by developing the still best
 debugger for the D Programming Language Ddbg
 (http://ddbg.mainia.de/releases.html)

 The question often came up why it is not updated anymore. Well the
 reason for this is that Jascha Wetzel the developer of Ddbg earns the
 big bucks now with his product Turbolence 4D (http://jawset.com/) and
 his company "Jawset Visual Computing"

 "TURBULENCE.4D makes the most realistic and efficient methods in CG
 fluid dynamics available in standard software"

 Well and recently his product got used in the new Bruce Willis movie
 "Surrogates" (http://chooseyoursurrogate.com/).

 All in all I whish him the best for the future and that he will never
 forget D when developing next cutting edge software.



 The downside is that Ddbg finally needs a new developer for the future
 to get updated.



 In the second part of the mentioned restrictions in the license.txt is
 written:
 * You may only redistribute the software unmodified, in the form and
 prepackaging it is available from the official website.

 It's seems as if redistributing of a changed version is not allowed.
 (But perhaps my english understanding is not good enought, I'm not an
 english native speaker :)
 So in this case, we need to write a debugger from scratch.

 greets
 matthias


That's unfortunate, Jascha Wetzel has done some incredible things (not 
only ddbg). His code is really nice too, if ever someone would want to 
pick this up maybe he can be convinced to change the license.

Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:

Matthias Pleh wrote:
 It's seems as if redistributing of a changed version is not allowed.
 (But perhaps my english understanding is not good enought, I'm not an 
 english native speaker :)


Worst case, you can distribute the original unmodified, and then a 
separate set of patches, which would comply with the license. But I 
agree this is not really viable.

bobef <aasd.aasdasd.asd.ad.ad.as.d.a asdasdas.das.da.d.ad.sa.d> writes:

So I guess Tango's Regex engine, which as far as I know, is Jascha's work is
out of maintainer too :) That would explain why it has long standing list of
tickets... Too bad.