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digitalmars.D.announce - tiobe D remains at 14 but is losing ground for the second month

reply janderson <askme me.com> writes:
The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for 
the second month.

http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

-Joel
Jun 03 2007
next sibling parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
janderson wrote:
 The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for 
 the second month.

Could this be because we are concentrating on advanced issues in D, and totally ignoring the *users*? As a first step, maybe we should split the D ng somehow? Maybe D.1 and D.2, or simply D and D.advanced?
Jun 13 2007
next sibling parent reply Jari-Matti =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E4kel=E4?= <jmjmak utu.fi.invalid> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:

 janderson wrote:
 The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for
 the second month.

Could this be because we are concentrating on advanced issues in D, and totally ignoring the *users*?

I believe it's more because there hasn't been many revolutionary new features in the last releases and also because of the slower release cycle.
 
 As a first step, maybe we should split the D ng somehow?
 
 Maybe D.1 and D.2, or simply D and D.advanced?

Some kind of moderation would also help. Of course it causes additional work to the ng admin (Walter) and complicates archiving, but there are many posts that are sent to wrong group - especially bug reports and newbie questions.
Jun 13 2007
next sibling parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 janderson wrote:
 The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for
 the second month.

totally ignoring the *users*?

I believe it's more because there hasn't been many revolutionary new features in the last releases and also because of the slower release cycle.
 As a first step, maybe we should split the D ng somehow?

 Maybe D.1 and D.2, or simply D and D.advanced?

Some kind of moderation would also help. Of course it causes additional work to the ng admin (Walter) and complicates archiving, but there are many posts that are sent to wrong group - especially bug reports and newbie questions.

The buzz generated by the D1.0 release is dying down. That's all. You can't really expect it to stay at the peak it reached following that. D was on slashdot, and that probably led to D being on blogs all over tarnation, and that lead to some magazine articles, etc etc. But the echo is fading out. Aside from the top 5 or so, Tiobe is really about nothing other than how much buzz a language is generating. Still I find D links popping up more and more often in my google searches for generic non-d-specific things. But maybe it's google showing me D pages preferentially because I do search for them a lot? Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all that search history they hold onto? --bb
Jun 13 2007
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:
 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all that 
 search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)
Jun 13 2007
parent reply Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all 
 that search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)

I was thinking more specifically of the case where you have a google account and have it set up to log you in automatically. The google page I see usually has 'wbaxter gmail.com' at the top. For those of us crazy enough to do that, google can watch our every step, and could be using those steps to recommend other steps. I agree that it's very unlikely they do anything like that for anonymous users. --bb
Jun 13 2007
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Bill Baxter wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all 
 that search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)

I was thinking more specifically of the case where you have a google account and have it set up to log you in automatically. The google page I see usually has 'wbaxter gmail.com' at the top. For those of us crazy enough to do that, google can watch our every step, and could be using those steps to recommend other steps. I agree that it's very unlikely they do anything like that for anonymous users.

For account users, this would obviously be nice!
Jun 13 2007
parent reply Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:

 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all 
 that search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)

I was thinking more specifically of the case where you have a google account and have it set up to log you in automatically. The google page I see usually has 'wbaxter gmail.com' at the top. For those of us crazy enough to do that, google can watch our every step, and could be using those steps to recommend other steps. I agree that it's very unlikely they do anything like that for anonymous users.

For account users, this would obviously be nice!

Its called "Web History" its on by default if you keep your google account open.
Jun 13 2007
parent reply Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Kyle Furlong wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:

 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with all 
 that search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)

I was thinking more specifically of the case where you have a google account and have it set up to log you in automatically. The google page I see usually has 'wbaxter gmail.com' at the top. For those of us crazy enough to do that, google can watch our every step, and could be using those steps to recommend other steps. I agree that it's very unlikely they do anything like that for anonymous users.

For account users, this would obviously be nice!

Its called "Web History" its on by default if you keep your google account open.

http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/topic.py?topic=10470&hl=en
Jun 13 2007
parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Kyle Furlong wrote:
 Kyle Furlong wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 Bill Baxter wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:

 Bill Baxter wrote:

 Does google do that kind of per-user jiggering of rankings with 
 all that search history they hold onto?

I'd be surprised if they do, but I'd welcome something like that. Maybe this should be suggested to them? OTOH, searching from your office and home computers would then give different results (because statistically your search profiles would end up being different), which might be awkward for many people. (Imagine remembering something you found at the office, and then trying to find the same thing from home.)

I was thinking more specifically of the case where you have a google account and have it set up to log you in automatically. The google page I see usually has 'wbaxter gmail.com' at the top. For those of us crazy enough to do that, google can watch our every step, and could be using those steps to recommend other steps. I agree that it's very unlikely they do anything like that for anonymous users.

For account users, this would obviously be nice!

Its called "Web History" its on by default if you keep your google account open.

http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/topic.py?topic=10470&hl=en

""" Web History helps deliver more personalized search results based on what you've searched for and which sites you've visited. """ Oh... ok so my experience with D popping up a lot in search results may be very atypical then. --bb
Jun 13 2007
prev sibling parent Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 
janderson wrote:

The June tiobe scores are out.  D remains at 14 but is losing ground for
the second month.

Could this be because we are concentrating on advanced issues in D, and totally ignoring the *users*?

I believe it's more because there hasn't been many revolutionary new features in the last releases and also because of the slower release cycle.
As a first step, maybe we should split the D ng somehow?

Maybe D.1 and D.2, or simply D and D.advanced?

Some kind of moderation would also help. Of course it causes additional work to the ng admin (Walter) and complicates archiving, but there are many posts that are sent to wrong group - especially bug reports and newbie questions.

I was more thinking along the lines of not causing Walter more work. The "second D ng" should have a name scary enough to keep all of newbies, regular (even advanced) users, and especially Real Users (as defined by actually *using* D for something productive, away. In essence, the new ng would be for esotherics, 2+ things, and other non-current ruminations. All Real Stuff about D should be in the "regular" D newsgroup. There's a huge void between D.learn, D.bugs and D.scary. Those folks now have to use the D ng which "from their viewpoint" is littered with rocket science, most of which isn't even becoming a reality, ever. At the same time, it would be nice for us "2+ folks" to be able to choose from "regular D stuff" and "Our Esotherics" depending on our time at hand or just simply mood. I for example, sometimes want to look at D issues from an actual user's point of view, and at other times really want to tackle the "hard and interesting" stuff. Separate ngs would help even us. (Besides, the volume of posts is enough for the split anyway.) Serving Customers -- anybody? As opposed to mostly just serving us D zealots and propeller heads. --- Of course, there are a half dozen other things I could have suggested, but the ng split would be something doable right now, and without much work for Walter. All the others would need more effort. (Not that they'd be any less efficient or important. It's just that with this Const thing, I'd expect Walter not to want to be bothered with them right now.)
Jun 13 2007
prev sibling parent Dejan Lekic <dejan.lekic gmail.com> writes:
What I would like to have here (and I requested it) is the D.Phobos newsgroup
where we could discuss the standard D library. There are many places for
improvements, even in the current code.
Jun 15 2007
prev sibling parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm
Jul 10 2007