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digitalmars.D.announce - TCPI #12, rising, been higher, ho-hum. :-|

reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Jun 06 2008
next sibling parent reply janderson <askme me.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
 

It looks like D is up against only the bread and butter languages now. -Joel
Jun 06 2008
next sibling parent reply JMNorris <nospam nospam.com> writes:
janderson <askme me.com> wrote in news:g2d25r$2b88$1 digitalmars.com:

 BCS wrote:
 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 


Just curious, what's up with Pascal's late 2007 spike? http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Pascal.html Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz! (I wonder whether Walter's Code Talk is what's primarily responsible for turning around the Q1-08 slump?) -- JMNorris
Jun 07 2008
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> writes:
JMNorris wrote:
 Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz!  (I wonder whether 
 Walter's Code Talk is what's primarily responsible for turning around the 
 Q1-08 slump?)

Writing articles about D is almost as important as writing code.
Jun 07 2008
next sibling parent reply "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
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Walter Bright wrote:
 JMNorris wrote:
 Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz!  (I wonder whether=20
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 the Q1-08 slump?)

Writing articles about D is almost as important as writing code.

Perhaps D is misrepresented? There should be twice as much buzz given=20 that there are in essence two languages (Phobos and Tango). I would have hoped that my work on the snapshots would have at least=20 caused a rise in the usage of D. They probably haven't been around long = enough to start making an impact then. One can only hope...
Jun 07 2008
parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Chris,


 I would have hoped that my work on the snapshots would have at least
 caused a rise in the usage of D.  They probably haven't been around
 long enough to start making an impact then.  One can only hope...

do you have download stats? I get the feeling that there are a lot of lurkers out there.
Jun 07 2008
parent "Chris R. Miller" <lordSaurontheGreat gmail.com> writes:
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BCS wrote:
 Reply to Chris,
=20
=20
 I would have hoped that my work on the snapshots would have at least
 caused a rise in the usage of D.  They probably haven't been around
 long enough to start making an impact then.  One can only hope...

do you have download stats? I get the feeling that there are a lot of=20 lurkers out there.

GForge reports 560 downloads since I moved over to GForge. I wonder if=20 that's just bots or whether it's real people.
Jun 07 2008
prev sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Walter,

 JMNorris wrote:
 
 Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz!  (I wonder whether
 Walter's Code Talk is what's primarily responsible for turning around
 the Q1-08 slump?)
 


An un-cited reference to D? http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=502
Jun 07 2008
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg nospam.org> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Reply to Walter,
 
 JMNorris wrote:

 Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz!  (I wonder whether
 Walter's Code Talk is what's primarily responsible for turning around
 the Q1-08 slump?)


An un-cited reference to D? http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=502

I wonder. I'd bet TIOBE uses some algorithms, however trivial they may be, to see the difference between the article and genuine "D buzz". One-letter languages like C must have taught them to do better than to google for "C" or "D".
Jun 08 2008
parent janderson <askme me.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 BCS wrote:
 Reply to Walter,

 JMNorris wrote:

 Since Tiobe mostly measures buzz, let's all buzz!  (I wonder whether
 Walter's Code Talk is what's primarily responsible for turning around
 the Q1-08 slump?)


An un-cited reference to D? http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=502

I wonder. I'd bet TIOBE uses some algorithms, however trivial they may be, to see the difference between the article and genuine "D buzz". One-letter languages like C must have taught them to do better than to google for "C" or "D".

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/tpci_definition.htm
Jun 08 2008
prev sibling parent Manfred Nowak <svv1999 hotmail.com> writes:
janderson wrote:

 It looks like D is up against only the bread and butter languages
 now. 

There might be evidence, that the changes for the Digital Mars D Programming Language are related to some "brownian motion" in the worldwide buzz. -manfred
Jun 07 2008
prev sibling parent reply Mike James <foo bar.com> writes:
BCS Wrote:

 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
 
 

I have been using D 1.0 for about 6 months for small projects and, although I like the language, I am frustrated by the lack of tools such as an IDE or forms editor. I guess I have been spoilt by programs such as Visual Studio, etc. I think D should look at freepascal / Lazarus for inspiration as to an IDE / forms editor package that provides multi-OS development and support. With the right tools that make the job easier many more people will climb onboard the D ship. Just my 2p worth :-) Regards, Mike.
Jun 09 2008
parent reply Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
Mike James wrote:
 the language, I am frustrated by the lack of tools such as an IDE or forms
editor.
 I guess I have been spoilt by programs such as Visual Studio, etc.

Forms editors: -------------- Entice ( http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php ) is the only one I know of. Outputs both DFL and DWT code now. IDEs: ----- Loads of 'em. I'm working on the Descent project ( http://www.dsource.org/projects/descent ), which provides a very fully-featured IDE as an Eclipse plugin, but some people find it kind of bloated/slow, though we're working on it. There are numerous others (just search the NG...)
Jun 09 2008
parent Mike James <foo bar.com> writes:
Yes, I know of the available IDE and Forms Editor tools - I have been using
them. My point was level of functionality - it would be worth your while
downloading freepascal / lazarus (open source) for a test drive just to see
what level of functionality would probably be required to drag people away from
their Visual Studios. I'm impressed by lazarus (being an old Delphi / Pascal
coder) and to have the same IDE facilities for D would rack up the points in
the compiler league.

Regards, Mike.


Robert Fraser Wrote:

 Mike James wrote:
 the language, I am frustrated by the lack of tools such as an IDE or forms
editor.
 I guess I have been spoilt by programs such as Visual Studio, etc.

Forms editors: -------------- Entice ( http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php ) is the only one I know of. Outputs both DFL and DWT code now. IDEs: ----- Loads of 'em. I'm working on the Descent project ( http://www.dsource.org/projects/descent ), which provides a very fully-featured IDE as an Eclipse plugin, but some people find it kind of bloated/slow, though we're working on it. There are numerous others (just search the NG...)

Jun 09 2008