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reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?

http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php
Dec 07 2006
next sibling parent reply Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.

I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
multiple threads.
Dec 07 2006
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.
 
 I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
 multiple threads.



Yeah, I noticed that too.
Dec 07 2006
parent reply Frits van Bommel <fvbommel REMwOVExCAPSs.nl> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.

 I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
 multiple threads.



 Yeah, I noticed that too.



I think I know why this happens.
The newsgroup overview shows only the N most recent posts (25 by 
default) and seems to first get those posts and _then_ sort them by 
thread. This results in subthreads whose common 'ancestor' post is not 
in the N most recent posts getting split up.
This may look a bit weird, but I think it makes sense: who wants to get 
a 500 post thread back because a single post was added?

Also, note that the thread overview in below the text of a post seems to 
show the entire thread.
Dec 07 2006
next sibling parent Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Frits van Bommel wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.

 I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
 multiple threads.



 Yeah, I noticed that too.



 I think I know why this happens.
 The newsgroup overview shows only the N most recent posts (25 by 
 default) and seems to first get those posts and _then_ sort them by 
 thread. This results in subthreads whose common 'ancestor' post is not 
 in the N most recent posts getting split up.
 This may look a bit weird, but I think it makes sense: who wants to get 
 a 500 post thread back because a single post was added?



I actually like this as it can take forever to find a post in an old 
thread.  Often I'll give up and sort by date, just to figure out where 
it is.  Also, "More Options" link allows the reader to grab more than 
just the 25 default messages, so this isn't fixed behavior.

My only real complaint is that when I collapse/expand a thread it 
reloads the whole page instead of just fixing up the bits that changed. 
  But that's a pretty small issue compared to the other features offered.


Sean
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
Frits van Bommel Wrote:


 Walter Bright wrote:

 Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.

 I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
 multiple threads.



 Yeah, I noticed that too.



 I think I know why this happens.
 The newsgroup overview shows only the N most recent posts (25 by 
 default) and seems to first get those posts and _then_ sort them by 
 thread. This results in subthreads whose common 'ancestor' post is not 
 in the N most recent posts getting split up.
 This may look a bit weird, but I think it makes sense: who wants to get 
 a 500 post thread back because a single post was added?



I think you're right about this.

 

 Also, note that the thread overview in below the text of a post seems > to
show the entire thread.



That's great!
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling parent Hasan Aljudy <hasan.aljudy gmail.com> writes:
Frits van Bommel wrote:

 Walter Bright wrote:

 Hasan Aljudy wrote:

 First impression: much better than the old one, some what slick.

 I Just noticed that some threads are scrambled .. or broken into 
 multiple threads.



 Yeah, I noticed that too.



 I think I know why this happens.
 The newsgroup overview shows only the N most recent posts (25 by 
 default) and seems to first get those posts and _then_ sort them by 
 thread. This results in subthreads whose common 'ancestor' post is not 
 in the N most recent posts getting split up.
 This may look a bit weird, but I think it makes sense: who wants to get 
 a 500 post thread back because a single post was added?
 
 Also, note that the thread overview in below the text of a post seems to 
 show the entire thread.



The reason I first thought of was that it sorts by date first, then 
figures out the threads for each day.
But then I saw several replies to the thread "MIT Technology Review: An 
Interview With Bjarne Stroustrup" scattered around in the same day, so 
your explanation makes more sense, I think.
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



My first impressions....

It's much nicer to have one that actually shows threads!  But the 
threading interface has a few caveats:

(a) The message list interface seems to just count off 25 (or however 
many) messages and then thread them together.  While this can be useful 
in that it helps to avoid excessive indentation in very busy threads, it 
can also be confusing.

(b) The expanding/collapsing is done on the server side.  While the 
advantage is that it still works for users who have JS/CSS disabled, it 
would be nice to have a user pref to do it on the client side, thereby 
saving both the user's time and the server's bandwidth.

(c) Collapsing doesn't make any more threads visible as some may expect 
it to.  I don't know of a good way of dealing with this together with 
points (a) and (b), but maybe somebody has an idea.


It seems to be hard-coded to one timezone.  And it fails to indicate 
which timezone that is.

But it's good to see that it displays dates in an unambiguous format.

Stewart.
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent jcc7 <technocrat7 gmail.com> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:


 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



The threading view looks great (especially the threaded view under each
individual post)!

Also, it allows attachments to be downloaded.

It seems to be a huge improvement over the current web interface!
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent BCS <empty pathlink.com> writes:
Walter Bright Wrote:


 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



Lots better than the pnews version. It has a few "qwerks" that will take
getting used to. Also the post window is tiny

it's not thunderbird, but I like it.
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Walter Bright" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message 
news:el9uc7$19kv$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?

 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



Wow, much better!
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent "Tomas Lindquist Olsen" <tomas famolsen.dk> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:


 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed
 it, and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



Very nice indeed :) Thumbs up!

--
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
Noyce!

"Walter Bright" <newshound digitalmars.com> wrote in message
news:el9uc7$19kv$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it,
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?

 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php
Dec 07 2006
parent reply Brad Anderson <brad dsource.org> writes:
Matthew wrote:

 Noyce!



Holy crap, he lives!
Dec 07 2006
parent "Matthew" <matthew hat.stlsoft.dot.org> writes:
"Brad Anderson" <brad dsource.org> wrote in message
news:ela75t$1jen$1 digitaldaemon.com...

 Matthew wrote:

 Noyce!



 Holy crap, he lives!



Sure enough. :-)

Actually, I've been very busy this year, with work and stuff, so I assume
your comment is with regards to D.

FYI: the "stuff" has largely been finishing off book #2 (Extended STL,
volume 1), releasing Pantheios ("the ultimate C++ logging library"), getting
STLSoft to a point where I can finally do a "proper" release,  and planning
book #3 (Breaking Up The Monolith).

Wrt D, Sean and I have an arrangement whereby he is going to notify me when
D's at a point of maturity that'll support a really sharp template library,
at which point I'll try and find the time to dive back in! (Of course, he
may have forgotten and better equipped people than me may have already done
a/some great template lib(s), so the issue may be moot. If not, I'll be
having a go at that next year, as part of the research/writing of Extended
STL, volume 2! <g>)

The book on D's obviously not got anywhere yet, but 2007 may prove
interesting in that regard ...

Happy Christmas to all D folks!

Cheers

Matthew

P.S. If anyone who's across C++ and D cares to take a look at Pantheios
(http://pantheios.org/) and get back to me about maybe working on
Pantheios.D, I'd be very happy to hear from you. Early on in its development
I worked a bit with Walter to make sure it is binary compatible with D to
ensure that when Pantheios.D happens, it'd be nice and smooth.

-- 
Matthew Wilson

Author: "Extended STL", Addison-Wesley, 2006
    http://www.extendedstl.com
Author: "Imperfect C++", Addison-Wesley, 2004
    http://www.imperfectcplusplus.com
Director, Synesis Software
    www.synesis.com.au
STLSoft moderator
    http://www.stlsoft.org
    news://news.digitalmars.com/c++.stlsoft

"I can't sleep nights till I found out who hurled what ball through
what apparatus" -- Dr Niles Crane
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php




This looks much better!

I think having a good web interface to the D NGs is very important for 
attracting new users, who may not be ready to commit to installing a 
newsreader just to read D newsgroups.  These folks are more likely to 
just lose interest than fight with a bad web interface, meaning they'll 
give up before they have a chance to catch "D Fever".

So I think this is great news.

--bb
Dec 07 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



It seems to be having some trouble with linking to the right pages.  For
example, on

http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=1675

the bottom link of "Recent messages in this thread" goes to completely
the wrong place.

Stewart.
Dec 09 2006
prev sibling parent Gregor Kopp <gregor.kopp chello.at> writes:
Walter Bright schrieb:

 bobef suggested a different web interface. Jan Knepper has installed it, 
 and here it is for everyone to try out. What do y'all think?
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php



It look way more better than the old one.
Take a look at RForum too:
http://rforum.andreas-s.net/rforum
Its written with Ruby on Rails and can act as gateway to newsgroups.

Here's an heavy used forum: http://www.ruby-forum.com/
Dec 12 2006