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digitalmars.D.announce - GoingNative 2012 to be livestreamed tomorrow

reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during 
the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself. 
See you online!

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/


Andrei
Feb 01 2012
next sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 2/1/2012 6:07 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during the
panel
 with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself. See you online!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/


I'll be there in person.
Feb 01 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
Le 02/02/2012 03:07, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :

 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during
 the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself.
 See you online!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/



 Andrei


Sad to notice that going native require silverlight (managed language) 
to be watched. This sounds like a big fail to begin with . . . and will 
exclude a lot of people . . .
Feb 03 2012
next sibling parent "Mattbeui" <matheus_nab hotmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 3 February 2012 at 13:18:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Sad to notice that going native require silverlight (managed 
 language) to be watched. This sounds like a big fail to begin 
 with . . . and will exclude a lot of people . . .


I don't know, since Microsoft is doing this event, It was pretty 
obvious that they would promote their tools/techs etc.

I didn't had Silverlight, So I installed in less than 2 minutos 
and watch the event.

Finally: As I said before Andrei did a great speech yesterday.
Feb 03 2012
prev sibling next sibling parent reply David <d dav1d.de> writes:
Am 03.02.2012 14:20, schrieb deadalnix:

 Le 02/02/2012 03:07, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :

 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during
 the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself.
 See you online!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/




 Andrei


 Sad to notice that going native require silverlight (managed language)
 to be watched. This sounds like a big fail to begin with . . . and will
 exclude a lot of people . . .


You don't need silverlight, you can even watch it with mplayer! just 
click on the link "watch with windows media player".
Feb 03 2012
parent deadalnix <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
Le 03/02/2012 15:56, David a écrit :

 Am 03.02.2012 14:20, schrieb deadalnix:

 Le 02/02/2012 03:07, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :

 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during
 the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself.
 See you online!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/





 Andrei


 Sad to notice that going native require silverlight (managed language)
 to be watched. This sounds like a big fail to begin with . . . and will
 exclude a lot of people . . .


 You don't need silverlight, you can even watch it with mplayer! just
 click on the link "watch with windows media player".


It didn't worked at work, but work at home. OK fine.
Feb 03 2012
prev sibling parent "Peter Alexander" <peter.alexander.au gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 3 February 2012 at 13:18:14 UTC, deadalnix wrote:

 Le 02/02/2012 03:07, Andrei Alexandrescu a écrit :

 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be 
 mentioned during
 the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and 
 myself.
 See you online!

 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/p71w6/goingnative_2012_livestreamed_for_free_feb_23/



 Andrei


 Sad to notice that going native require silverlight (managed 
 language) to be watched. This sounds like a big fail to begin 
 with . . . and will exclude a lot of people . . .


Yeah, and the page is transmitted as HTML, which is interpreted 
(gasp!) by the browser. That's not native at all!

What's the world coming to, eh?
Feb 03 2012
prev sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu:


 I'm announcing this here because inevitably D will be mentioned during 
 the panel with Bjarne Stroustrup, Herb Sutter, Hans Boehm, and myself.


And also because several of the design ideas of C++ programs are useful in D
code too :-)

---------------------------

About Bjarne Stroustrup's talk "C++11 Style":

I have appreciated (slide 22, at about 26.22) the stress on SI units, to use
the type system and the new C++11 feature to some avoid some bugs with zero
run-time cost. D requires a less natural syntax for them.

I have also appreciated the very simple but useful part about type rich
programming, with typeful interfaces
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typeful_programming ). 

Another thing I've appreciated about Bjarne talk is that I'm able to understand
it at about 1.3X speed (with just few pauses to digest certain slides).

The example of Vector Vs List (slide 51) is too much artificial, but the answer
(in the invisible graph) is interesting. Lists are kind of dead noways.

The slide 64 "Low-level != Efficient": in D we'll write just:
sum(v)
Instead of the currently used:
reduce!{a + b}(0, v)
Because sum() is a very common need.

Overall Bjarne Stroustrup's talk was very good, and I agree with everything he
has said and with his choice of topics to talk about :-)

---------------------------

About Stephan T. Lavavej's talk "STL11 - Magic && Secrets":

The "Computers are fast" slide at 20.31 is nice, it shows vector.emplace_back
for a pair.

Seeing this talk at 1.4X is a bit tiring (I can't go past 1.6X because my video
player is dumb, it's compressing audio in a uniform way, without taking into
account the characteristics of human voice).

Regarding slide 25 (51.54), in D I'd like to use "const" and "const ref" in
foreach loops, just like "ref":


struct S { int x; }

void main() {
    S[] array = [S(1), S(2)];

    foreach (ref s; array) {} // OK
    foreach (const ref s; array) {} // error
    foreach (const s; array) {} // error
}

Bye,
bearophile
Feb 04 2012
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 2/4/2012 9:08 AM, bearophile wrote:

 About Bjarne Stroustrup's talk "C++11 Style":

 I have appreciated (slide 22, at about 26.22) the stress on SI units, to use
 the type system and the new C++11 feature to some avoid some bugs with zero
 run-time cost. D requires a less natural syntax for them.


C++ allows for user-defined literals, such as:

    30sec

The D equivalent would be:

    sec!30

The C++ version is a bit hackish in that it relies on sec being a global 
function. There's no opportunity for scoping, encapsulation, etc., and if two 
different libraries defined overloads for sec on int, you're just stuck.

We'll see how this unfolds in practice.

The D version does not have these issues (and is not even a special feature - 
it's just another way to use an existing feature).
Feb 04 2012