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reply WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
Hi everyone,

I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think 
it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous 
data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there 
is confusion.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
Dec 01
next sibling parent reply Steven Schveighoffer <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would 
 be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly 
 benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also 
 open for changing some questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1s
6NvN6VErBw/viewform 
 
"In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a minute to figure this out :) I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it. It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I learned it :) -Steve
Dec 01
next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh" <hsteoh quickfur.ath.cx> writes:
On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 02:28:22PM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via
Digitalmars-d-announce wrote:
 On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it
 would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it
 will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on
 users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is
 confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
 
"In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a minute to figure this out :)
Yeah, I almost wanted to write "D". :-D
 I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it.
 It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of
 this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of
 resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I
 learned it :)
I finished it anyway, just to skew the data set a bit in my direction. :-D T -- If you look at a thing nine hundred and ninety-nine times, you are perfectly safe; if you look at it the thousandth time, you are in frightful danger of seeing it for the first time. -- G. K. Chesterton
Dec 01
prev sibling parent WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 19:28:22 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:
 On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) 
 and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
 
"In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a minute to figure this out :) I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it. It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I learned it :) -Steve
Well new technologies are always on the rise, for example before you probably wouldn't have written Android or Objective-C D applications, but then wanted to learn it and the survey there is just to give an overview over the quality & availability of D tutorials in these fields. Fixed spoken language
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 12/01/2017 10:56 AM, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would 
 be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly 
 benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also 
 open for changing some questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1s
6NvN6VErBw/viewform 
 
Suggestions for clarification: - Country+City does not mean much for US. I think it's better to put e.g. "California, US" as country and e.g. "Mountain View" is city. - I have two primary languages: Fully Turkish at home and among Turkish people and English outside. :) - "know about" and "used it before" are distinct groups of people. Unless you are looking for two numbers, remove one of those phrases. - "In what language did you learn D?" Please make that "spoken language". Otherwise, "language" in a language survey can be confusing. :) - dconf.org is missing from the repos Ali
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
We have over 25 responses now. I have slightly changed the survey, if you had entered USA or United States in the form, please update your answer to the dropdown value "United States of America (USA)" if you still have the edit link in your history
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent Mengu <mengukagan gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
great idea, just finished the survey.
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent user1234 <user1234 12.nl> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
Yeah nice initiative.There's something similar for Nim and about this i remember that there was a question about the number of source line of code, 0 to 1000, 1000 to 10000, etc... but it's too late i think.(https://nim-lang.org/blog/2016/09/03/community-survey-results-2016.html)
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Patrick Schluter <Patrick.Schluter bbox.fr> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
You will have to massage the data a bit. The spelling of words created more diverse answers than necessary. Everyone learned D in english but there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish etc.)
Dec 01
next sibling parent WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 22:28:12 UTC, Patrick Schluter 
wrote:
 On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) 
 and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
You will have to massage the data a bit. The spelling of words created more diverse answers than necessary. Everyone learned D in english but there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish etc.)
yeah for countries I fixed that already, I thought adding a regex making people capitalize the words would unify it but instead they write all caps...
Dec 01
prev sibling parent =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:
On 12/01/2017 02:28 PM, Patrick Schluter wrote:

 there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish
 etc.)
At least D is easy to spell! :p Ali
Dec 01
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Basile B. <b2.temp gmx.com> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
Why did you put Coedit as a choice among the open source projects people has contributed to ? Actually it got only 1 real contribution, something like 3 years ago. You will understand that I have laughed a bit when i have seen it...there was so many other possible choices...and the worst is: it's not written in D. ¯\_(👁_ʖ👁)_/¯
Dec 01
parent WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 07:33:19 UTC, Basile B. wrote:
 On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 [...]
Why did you put Coedit as a choice among the open source projects people has contributed to ? Actually it got only 1 real contribution, something like 3 years ago. You will understand that I have laughed a bit when i have seen it...there was so many other possible choices...and the worst is: it's not written in D. ¯\_(👁_ʖ👁)_/¯
I gathered that list by list of D projects on github sorted by stars + on the wiki the most prominent ones on a few pages
Dec 02
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would 
 be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly 
 benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also 
 open for changing some questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1s
6NvN6VErBw/viewform 
 
"How many of your colleagues used D before?" Before what? For the questions about OS/distro, I think you should add "FreeBSD" as an alternative. It's one of the officially supported platforms. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 02
parent reply WebFreak001 <d.forum webfreak.org> writes:
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 09:16:55 UTC, Jacob Carlborg 
wrote:
 On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) 
 and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
 
"How many of your colleagues used D before?" Before what? For the questions about OS/distro, I think you should add "FreeBSD" as an alternative. It's one of the officially supported platforms.
yeah added that because it had 3 votes. I used that like "did you use D before?" as in "did you ever use D?"
Dec 02
parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-12-02 10:30, WebFreak001 wrote:
 On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 09:16:55 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it 
 would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will 
 greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. 
 I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1s
6NvN6VErBw/viewform 
"How many of your colleagues used D before?" Before what? For the questions about OS/distro, I think you should add "FreeBSD" as an alternative. It's one of the officially supported platforms.
I used that like "did you use D before?" as in "did you ever use D?"
Then I would phrase that as "How many of your colleagues have used D before?" or "How many of your colleagues have tried D". -- /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 02
prev sibling next sibling parent Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would 
 be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly 
 benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also 
 open for changing some questions if there is confusion.
 
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1s
6NvN6VErBw/viewform 
I think the questions about how easy it was and the quality of the learning material were a bit difficult to answer. For someone like me that learned D 10+ years ago, how should I answer those questions? How it was back then, or how I think it's now? For the former it might not be very useful because the landscape was very different back then. For the latter it's difficult to answer because I already now D and how to find the resources. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Dec 02
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Dmitry Olshansky <dmitry.olsh gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.
Truth be told I find survey largely irrelevant. What my gender or some such have to do with D? Or my job? What do we want to understand from that - “teenagers w/o like D language more?” or some such nonsense? I despise demographic style surveys, ask technical aspects instead, it would be 10x more informative.
 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
Dec 02
parent reply Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 19:11:31 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky 
wrote:

 Truth be told I find survey largely irrelevant.
 What my gender or some such have to do with D? Or my job? What 
 do we want to understand from that - “teenagers w/o like D 
 language more?” or some such nonsense?

 I despise demographic style surveys, ask technical aspects 
 instead, it would be 10x more informative.
Yeah, it's too personal (job, company, gender). Questions should concentrate on technical aspects. Btw, the country I reside in is not on the list: Ireland. It's neither listed as Ireland nor as Republic of Ireland (the official name in English) nor as Éire / Poblacht na hÉireann (the official name in Irish). I checked with the search function to be sure to be sure :-) I didn't know Ireland was so unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain".
Dec 07
next sibling parent reply user1234 <user1234 12.nl> writes:
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote:
 On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 19:11:31 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky 
 wrote:

 Truth be told I find survey largely irrelevant.
 What my gender or some such have to do with D? Or my job? What 
 do we want to understand from that - “teenagers w/o like D 
 language more?” or some such nonsense?

 I despise demographic style surveys, ask technical aspects 
 instead, it would be 10x more informative.
Yeah, it's too personal (job, company, gender). Questions should concentrate on technical aspects.
Survey techniques are a science after all. Google provides you the tools but without methodology it's peanuts. I suppose that this survey just allows you to locate yourself among the community, although it was already well known that D is more used in Europe and mostly by adults. I mean that the results cannot be used to change the development guide lines. Only interesting Q: - How did you learn D ? : yes, it shows for example that tour.dlang.org has gained its place. - What is your PRIMARY /SECONDARY area of development where you focus on D ? maybe interesting to detect something that's not worth improving in the language. But bad formulation. - How would you rate your experience with D compared to other languages? Yes, may show if D is generating D-language-centered people. and few others. Average SLOC per project would have been interesting too. TIme spent per day.
Dec 07
parent reply Chris <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 18:22:46 UTC, user1234 wrote:

 Survey techniques are a science after all. Google provides you 
 the tools but without methodology it's peanuts. I suppose that 
 this survey just allows you to locate yourself among the 
 community, although it was already well known that D is more 
 used in Europe and mostly by adults. I mean that the results 
 cannot be used to change the development guide lines.
Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;)
Dec 08
parent reply "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote:
 
 Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given 
 that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to 
 new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work 
 here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and 
 maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and 
 said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to 
 it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, 
 but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords 
 now ;)
Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that.
Dec 08
next sibling parent reply SomeRandomUser <down2now yahoo.com> writes:
On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:
 On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote:
 [...]
Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that.
Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country music in Europe? I have met one person that liked it. Trump is hardly an ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups of conservatism social, fiscal, neo, etc..). Alot of the whites u mentioned voted for Obama last time around and are just scared of globalism and knew the alternative would push further down that path. Not all D users look at forums and while I do agree their are far more users visible in Europe that doesn't mean it's not used here as well.
Dec 08
parent "Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa)" <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On 12/08/2017 08:00 PM, SomeRandomUser wrote:
 
 Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country music in 
 Europe?  I have met one person that liked it.  Trump is hardly an 
 ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups of conservatism 
 social, fiscal, neo, etc..).  Alot of the whites u mentioned voted for 
 Obama last time around and are just scared of globalism and knew the 
 alternative would push further down that path.  Not all D users look at 
 forums and while I do agree their are far more users visible in Europe 
 that doesn't mean it's not used here as well.
All the details are certainly debatable, and I won't claim to be well-versed enough in sociology, politics, etc to get into such details (nor would I really want to in a D.announce sub-thread - apologies if that sounds like back-peddling), but it's just a certain theme I've noticed that, from this insider at least, in my personal observation the country doesn't seem to be quite as progressive as it may appear to be (or claim to be), or as one might assume it to be (the super bowl nipple thing is another example), and my hypothesis is that could account for the US vs Europe D-uptake discrepency. But, of course one thing that *is* certain is that the US has a lot of both ulta-liberal, ultra-conservative, and everythintg in-between (and probably plenty of extremes on some other axes as well!). So grain of salt in hand, in any case, it's just a thought.
Dec 08
prev sibling parent user1234 <user1234 12.nl> writes:
On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky 
(Abscissa) wrote:
 On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote:
 
 Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that 
 is, given that it originated in the USA and people in the 
 States are more open to new technologies. What were the 
 technical and social factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't 
 fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and maybe people 
 from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and 
 said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can 
 contribute to it." D certainly struck a chord with many 
 programmers around the globe, but what is it exactly? (Please 
 no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;)
Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that.
There are interesting stuff in your comment but i think we're going off-topic. Let's no go too far, the point, initially, is that survey is not good. In no way it should be used to split ourselves.
Dec 09
prev sibling parent wobbles <grogan.colin gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote:
  I didn't know Ireland was so
 unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great 
 Britain".
I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-)
Dec 09
prev sibling next sibling parent qznc <qznc web.de> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
The age results look interesting. It seems that the D community is relatively old. Tried to find a comparison, but the Rust survey seems to not ask for the age.
Dec 04
prev sibling parent reply Guillaume Piolat <first.last gmail.com> writes:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and 
 it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
How to see the results if you have already filled it?
Dec 04
parent user1234 <user1234 12.nl> writes:
On Monday, 4 December 2017 at 21:22:39 UTC, Guillaume Piolat 
wrote:
 On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) 
 and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I 
 think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more 
 anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some 
 questions if there is confusion.

 https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
How to see the results if you have already filled it?
Hi i don't if it based on a token so it may be invalid when you'll read this: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewanalytics but working for now (9 AM - Paris local time)
Dec 05