• =?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= (3/3) Nov 10 2015
• The Old One (18/20) Nov 15 2015 Atila wrote:
• Adam D. Ruppe (4/7) Nov 15 2015 It really isn't hard. Yes, there's a learning curve to get
• lobo (8/15) Nov 15 2015 +1
• rsw0x (5/8) Nov 15 2015 I'm honestly tired of reading this as if "bare metal rust" has
• Joakim (12/19) Nov 15 2015 Except IoT hasn't gone anywhere yet and I'm skeptical that it

=?UTF-8?Q?Ali_=c3=87ehreli?= <acehreli yahoo.com> writes:

 
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3s9cfe/rust_impressions_from_a_cd_programmer_part_1/

Ali

The Old One <just.me example.com> writes:

On Tuesday, 10 November 2015 at 16:00:06 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:
 https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3s9cfe/rust_impressions_from_a_cd_programmer_part_1/

 Ali

Atila wrote:

I thought I’d like Rust more than I actually do at this point. 
I’m glad I’m taking the time to learn it, but I’m not sure how 
likely I’ll choose to use it for any future project. Currently 
the only real advantage it has for me over D is that it has no 
runtime and could more easily be used on bare metal projects.

(I'm on an iPad. Sorry for idiot quoting.)

My point: until you can easily write D bare-metal code, without 
any runtime, and honestly without garbage collection, it just 
isn't a Real Systems Language.

With the World turning to IOT, and most startups having an 
embedded system as at least a part of their offering, even old 
languages should take this seriously. Not everybody actually 
fathoms the size of this tsunami, or the disruption it'll bring. 
It's like the 80's when mini-computer corporations did't notice 
micro manufacturers. From their perspective, the tide turned 
overnight. And now it's us.

Adam D. Ruppe <destructionator gmail.com> writes:

On Monday, 16 November 2015 at 00:40:33 UTC, The Old One wrote:
 My point: until you can easily write D bare-metal code, without 
 any runtime, and honestly without garbage collection, it just 
 isn't a Real Systems Language.

It really isn't hard. Yes, there's a learning curve to get 
started, but it isn't really hard once you make that initial 
investment.

lobo <swamplobo gmail.com> writes:

On Monday, 16 November 2015 at 00:50:50 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
 On Monday, 16 November 2015 at 00:40:33 UTC, The Old One wrote:
 My point: until you can easily write D bare-metal code, 
 without any runtime, and honestly without garbage collection, 
 it just isn't a Real Systems Language.

 It really isn't hard. Yes, there's a learning curve to get 
 started, but it isn't really hard once you make that initial 
 investment.

+1

Bare metal in D is easy now.

If a programmer isn't resourcful enough to figure it out (D.learn 
+ RTFM) then they will do little more in C/C++/Rust/whatever than 
turning on an LED or two.


bye,
lobo

rsw0x <anonymous anonymous.com> writes:

On Monday, 16 November 2015 at 00:40:33 UTC, The Old One wrote:
 My point: until you can easily write D bare-metal code, without 
 any runtime, and honestly without garbage collection, it just 
 isn't a Real Systems Language.

I'm honestly tired of reading this as if "bare metal rust" has 
all the same bells and whistles when the entire standard library 
- which includes their box(unique) and RC type - are completely 
disabled.

Joakim <dlang joakim.fea.st> writes:

On Monday, 16 November 2015 at 00:40:33 UTC, The Old One wrote:
 With the World turning to IOT, and most startups having an 
 embedded system as at least a part of their offering, even old 
 languages should take this seriously. Not everybody actually 
 fathoms the size of this tsunami, or the disruption it'll 
 bring. It's like the 80's when mini-computer corporations did't 
 notice micro manufacturers. From their perspective, the tide 
 turned overnight. And now it's us.

Except IoT hasn't gone anywhere yet and I'm skeptical that it 
ever will.  I thought the same of smartwatches and their sales so 
far haven't been great.  Who really wants an internet-enabled 
toaster or refrigerator?  I know I don't.

You make a good point that D needs to aim for the larger embedded 
market, by providing better support for running stripped down.  
You'll notice that the vision statement says that we're looking 
for people to spearhead such an effort:

http://wiki.dlang.org/Vision/2015H2

But I don't think IoT really matters, better to try and hit the 
actually existing embedded market.