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reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html
May 11 2005
next sibling parent reply Dave <Dave_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

And thanks once again, Walter! - Dave
May 11 2005
parent "Charlie" <charles jwavro.com> writes:
Yep , making good headway :).

Charlie

"Dave" <Dave_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
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 In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

And thanks once again, Walter! - Dave

May 11 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Dejan Lekic <leka entropy.tmok.com> writes:
I really apriciate Your work Walter.

Hopefully in the nearest future we'll get DMD RPMs for Linux... :)

Kind regards

Dejan

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May 11 2005
parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Dejan Lekic wrote:

 I really apriciate Your work Walter.
 
 Hopefully in the nearest future we'll get DMD RPMs for Linux... :)

Why wait ? SRPM is at http://www.algonet.se/~afb/d/dmd-0.123-1.nosrc.rpm Just add zipfile, salt to taste and rpm --rebuild for a minute. Will serve: dmd-0.123-1.i586.rpm dmd-doc-0.123-1.i586.rpm phobos-0.123-1.i586.rpm phobos-contracts-0.123-1.i586.rpm --anders
May 12 2005
parent reply Dejan Lekic <leka entropy.tmok.com> writes:
Ahy phobos as separate package? I would prefer single dmd-devel package
which would include all needed libraries...
Sure it's just a matter of taste... :)

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May 12 2005
parent =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_F_Bj=F6rklund?= <afb algonet.se> writes:
Dejan Lekic wrote:

 Ahy phobos as separate package? I would prefer single dmd-devel package
 which would include all needed libraries...

But "phobos" is required for "dmd", anyway. (it could have been called something else) Simple enough to change in the specfile: http://www.algonet.se/~afb/d/dmd.spec
 Sure it's just a matter of taste... :)

Yes, and of different licenses too... ? Phobos is zlib, while DMD is proprietary. --anders
May 12 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Shawn Liu <Shawn_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

This version is the one attaining to perfect. It is very strong and works fine. I have detected only one thing so far. When an "auto" keyword is found in a function, the compiler complains that "no return at end of function". - Shawn
May 11 2005
parent Thomas Kuehne <thomas-dloop kuehne.thisisspam.cn> writes:
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Shawn Liu schrieb am Thu, 12 May 2005 03:03:09 +0000 (UTC):
 In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...

 I have detected only one thing so far. 
 When an "auto" keyword is found in a function, the compiler complains that "no
 return at end of function".

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May 13 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent bobef <bobef_member pathlink.com> writes:
Walter is holy man :))))))

In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

May 12 2005
prev sibling next sibling parent pragma <pragma_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <d5tvdk$1p7k$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
The usual <g>.

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html

Walter, I don't say this nearly enough, but thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this project. D has made me twice the programmer I was when I started using it over a year ago. I think the D language itself (by itself) has truely made the most of that difference. For this, you have my gratitude. Also, you are one lean, mean, bug-eating machine. :) - EricAnderton at yahoo
May 12 2005
prev sibling parent reply "Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown simplemachines.org> writes:
If I may, I do have one question:

 Capped static array size at 16Mb.

Why? I realize that having larger arrays is sometimes bad, and makes the length specifiers harder to work with, (which only seems a problem with dynamic arrays to me) but I imagine there's some bigger reason I'm missing? Thanks, -[Unknown]
 The usual <g>.
 
 http://www.digitalmars.com/d/changelog.html
 
 
 

May 13 2005
parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown simplemachines.org> wrote in message
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  > Capped static array size at 16Mb.
 Why?  I realize that having larger arrays is sometimes bad, and makes
 the length specifiers harder to work with, (which only seems a problem
 with dynamic arrays to me) but I imagine there's some bigger reason I'm
 missing?

1) Gigantic static arrays are often either the result of a typo or are a newbie mistake. 2) Such require a lot of memory for the compiler to handle. Before the OS officially runs out of memory, it goes to greater and greater lengths to scavenge memory for the compiler, often bringing the computer to its knees in desperation. 3) D needs to be a portable language, and by capping the array size a program is more likely to be portable. 4) Giant arrays are reflected in a corresponding giant size for the exe file. 5) There simply isn't a need I can think of for such arrays. There shouldn't be a problem with allocating them dynamically.
May 13 2005
next sibling parent reply "Lionello Lunesu" <lio lunesu.removethis.com> writes:
Wouldn't it be safer to do a similar limit for dynamic arrays too?

I've catched some bugs in my own code by adding an assertion in my array 
class' resize. I've limited it at 0x100000 items.

1) resizing big dynamic arrays will be extremely slow;
2) one should better use direct OS functions (VirtualAlloc) for really large 
arrays;
3) again, catch 'newbie' mistakes, typos;
4) 'zeroing' the data will be expensive.

See also:
digitalmars.D/15486

L. 
May 13 2005
parent "Lionello Lunesu" <lio lunesu.removethis.com> writes:
caught :-( 
May 13 2005
prev sibling parent reply Kramer <Kramer_member pathlink.com> writes:
What you're saying makes sense in practice /right now/, but what if a research
team 3 years from now want to use D (because it's so sweet) on some
supercomputer, modeling planetary physics and decide they want (for some reason
unknown to us, but makes perfect sense in their model) a huge static array?
That might be a stretch scenario, but only because it hasn't happened yet.

It's just always seemed to me, better to let the programmer learn from their own
mistakes rather than to hold their hand and say "no"; especially on something
like memory which has a tendency to grow quite rapidly.

I'm just suggesting that D look to be desirable now & 20 years in the future.
That requires forward-thinking in it's design.

My $0.02.

-Kramer


In article <d61n7n$1pp3$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Unknown W. Brackets" <unknown simplemachines.org> wrote in message
news:d61jpa$1m0l$1 digitaldaemon.com...
  > Capped static array size at 16Mb.
 Why?  I realize that having larger arrays is sometimes bad, and makes
 the length specifiers harder to work with, (which only seems a problem
 with dynamic arrays to me) but I imagine there's some bigger reason I'm
 missing?

1) Gigantic static arrays are often either the result of a typo or are a newbie mistake. 2) Such require a lot of memory for the compiler to handle. Before the OS officially runs out of memory, it goes to greater and greater lengths to scavenge memory for the compiler, often bringing the computer to its knees in desperation. 3) D needs to be a portable language, and by capping the array size a program is more likely to be portable. 4) Giant arrays are reflected in a corresponding giant size for the exe file. 5) There simply isn't a need I can think of for such arrays. There shouldn't be a problem with allocating them dynamically.

May 13 2005
next sibling parent reply "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Kramer" <Kramer_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d62k88$2fr1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 What you're saying makes sense in practice /right now/, but what if a

 team 3 years from now want to use D (because it's so sweet) on some
 supercomputer, modeling planetary physics and decide they want (for some

 unknown to us, but makes perfect sense in their model) a huge static

 That might be a stretch scenario, but only because it hasn't happened yet.

 It's just always seemed to me, better to let the programmer learn from

 mistakes rather than to hold their hand and say "no"; especially on

 like memory which has a tendency to grow quite rapidly.

 I'm just suggesting that D look to be desirable now & 20 years in the

 That requires forward-thinking in it's design.

I don't think putting a limit on it is really closing such a door. It's easy for a vendor to up the cap.
May 13 2005
parent Kramer <Kramer_member pathlink.com> writes:
So then that sounds like it's more of a DMD implementation detail, rather than a
design in the language.  That's fair. <g>

-Kramer

In article <d62mo5$2hnk$1 digitaldaemon.com>, Walter says...
"Kramer" <Kramer_member pathlink.com> wrote in message
news:d62k88$2fr1$1 digitaldaemon.com...
 What you're saying makes sense in practice /right now/, but what if a

 team 3 years from now want to use D (because it's so sweet) on some
 supercomputer, modeling planetary physics and decide they want (for some

 unknown to us, but makes perfect sense in their model) a huge static

 That might be a stretch scenario, but only because it hasn't happened yet.

 It's just always seemed to me, better to let the programmer learn from

 mistakes rather than to hold their hand and say "no"; especially on

 like memory which has a tendency to grow quite rapidly.

 I'm just suggesting that D look to be desirable now & 20 years in the

 That requires forward-thinking in it's design.

I don't think putting a limit on it is really closing such a door. It's easy for a vendor to up the cap.

May 13 2005
prev sibling parent reply Vathix <vathix dprogramming.com> writes:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:22:32 -0400, Kramer <Kramer_member pathlink.com>  
wrote:

 What you're saying makes sense in practice /right now/, but what if a  
 research
 team 3 years from now want to use D (because it's so sweet) on some
 supercomputer, modeling planetary physics and decide they want (for some  
 reason
 unknown to us, but makes perfect sense in their model) a huge static  
 array?
 That might be a stretch scenario, but only because it hasn't happened  
 yet.

How about having a documented pragma that allows the limit to be changed..
May 13 2005
parent "Walter" <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
"Vathix" <vathix dprogramming.com> wrote in message
news:op.sqp5xdcwkcck4r esi...
 On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:22:32 -0400, Kramer <Kramer_member pathlink.com>
 wrote:

 What you're saying makes sense in practice /right now/, but what if a
 research
 team 3 years from now want to use D (because it's so sweet) on some
 supercomputer, modeling planetary physics and decide they want (for some
 reason
 unknown to us, but makes perfect sense in their model) a huge static
 array?
 That might be a stretch scenario, but only because it hasn't happened
 yet.

How about having a documented pragma that allows the limit to be changed..

I understand how it feels like a limitation, but it really isn't.
May 13 2005