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reply Tom <Tom_member pathlink.com> writes:
Has anyone seen this?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Tom;
Mar 20 2006
next sibling parent reply =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jari-Matti_M=E4kel=E4?= <jmjmak utu.fi.invalid> writes:
Tom wrote:
 Has anyone seen this?
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux
 
 Tom;

Yes, it's quite cool. If you want to try XGL easily yourself, download Kororaa Linux live-cd (~450 MB): http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=static060318-181203 Definitely easier to use than installing the unstable custom X server.
Mar 20 2006
parent Tom <Tom_member pathlink.com> writes:
In article <dvmqkh$e0k$1 digitaldaemon.com>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jari-Matti_M=E4kel=E4?= says...
Tom wrote:
 Has anyone seen this?
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux
 
 Tom;

Yes, it's quite cool. If you want to try XGL easily yourself, download Kororaa Linux live-cd (~450 MB): http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=static060318-181203 Definitely easier to use than installing the unstable custom X server.

I'll do that for sure when I get home! Tom;
Mar 20 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
 Has anyone seen this?
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-( Just what I needed to really BOOST my productivity! Fading menus: in the eighties, folks had green monitors with long afterglow. We got fade-in fade-out menus and stuff for free. Everybody hated it, and you had to pay double for a white-phosphor monitor that didn't do it. Now you have to pay extra to get a graphics card that can handle it. Overlapping, transparent movies: Yippeeee, now I can watch 24 episodes and Shaft, all at the same time and in the same position. Schizophrenia, embrace me, take me away, hahaaa hehee. (But I bet you can't have THREE movies on top of each other, buahahhahhaha. I'll wait till you get 5.) Rubber windows: OMG, how have we ever managed with sheets of paper on the desk???? Of course they should be made of condom latex. And they could have post-it glue round the edges, so that whenever I grab a sheet it goes wawawawa-spaff on me. Transparency: nice fake, but I still bet you can see only one level deep. And so what if you really could see several levels deep? Oh yes, the I could edit two different programs at the same time. Too bad they don't give away 3d glasses so I could see what lines of text belong to which program. (Without coloring them differently, of course.) So if we really needed that, then the Letter Size (or A4 for Europe) in my office would be *translucent* condom latex. Ever since 50 years back! Cube thing: gee, it sure is "faster or otherwise more productive" to play dice with the screens, than just switching between screens, right? Movie over cube edge: Now this is an essential! I always wanted to fold my LCD screen round the corner. That way I can see half the movie wherever I am. ================== What is it with people??? Everyone just has to have something the others don't. Who cares if it's useful or downright a burden! Kings used to walk around with 10 pounds of gold on their head. Gee. Half the people in my country just have to have cars with 200hp engines, although the speed limit is 75mph (120km/h) on freeways and 50 (80) elsewhere. (And I'm not going to quote what feminists say the reason is, this is a family site, after all.) It used to be a standing joke that M$ is in cohoots with hardware manufacturers. Every time they double the computer speed M$ wastes it with the next Windows. Well, now even Linux distros are getting there. ================== I've got 2 800MHz laptops as my main portables, with 250MB 20GB, and they sure are ample for all job related stuff that I ever need. But trying to run that kind of "improved" UI on them, forget about it. And to buy a Game Grade tabletop just so one can run the GUI -- a total waste of money. Besides, what's the point of having a server-capable OS in it if you waste all power to the eye-candy stuff?
Mar 20 2006
next sibling parent reply Aarti <aarti interia.pl> writes:
Georg Wrede napisał(a):
 Has anyone seen this?

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-(

 I've got 2 800MHz laptops as my main portables, with 250MB 20GB, and 
 they sure are ample for all job related stuff that I ever need.
 
 But trying to run that kind of "improved" UI on them, forget about it. 
 And to buy a Game Grade tabletop just so one can run the GUI -- a total 
 waste of money. Besides, what's the point of having a server-capable OS 
 in it if you waste all power to the eye-candy stuff?

Sorry man, but read first explanation on the right side of above mentioned page... I am affraid that your notebook will not be sufficient to run next Windows Vista :-) BR Marcin Kuszczak
Mar 20 2006
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
Aarti wrote:
 Georg Wrede napisał(a):
 
 Has anyone seen this?

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-(

 I've got 2 800MHz laptops as my main portables, with 250MB 20GB, and 
 they sure are ample for all job related stuff that I ever need.

 But trying to run that kind of "improved" UI on them, forget about it. 
 And to buy a Game Grade tabletop just so one can run the GUI -- a 
 total waste of money. Besides, what's the point of having a 
 server-capable OS in it if you waste all power to the eye-candy stuff?

Sorry man, but read first explanation on the right side of above mentioned page... I am affraid that your notebook will not be sufficient to run next Windows Vista :-)

Ok, so I got enough ram. I wonder about the cpu, though. And the graphics card, on W2k or FC4 it barely shows one DVD at a time smoothly. But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful at work. Then again, to show off faster development and unbelievably better results than M$, this works well! Heh, this is not a kick in their knee, it's a kick 18" higher! :-) PS, W2000 will stay the last one from M$ in my office, with any help from Bob!
Mar 20 2006
parent reply Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it useful 
 at work.

I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too. I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI. If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps. Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.
Apr 07 2006
next sibling parent reply Aarti <aarti interia.pl> writes:
Walter Bright napisał(a):
  > Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do
 regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there 
 are any symptoms of a rootkit.

I just upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper Drake, even without backuping my data (not very reasonable, I know :-)). It's about third time when I upgrade my Ubuntu with almost every single file in the system (kernel, basic system libraries, startup scripts) and it just works without any major problems. Isn't it amazing? :-) Regards Marcin Kuszczak
Apr 08 2006
parent reply Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Aarti wrote:
 
 I just upgraded to Ubuntu Dapper Drake, even without backuping my data 
 (not very reasonable, I know :-)). It's about third time when I upgrade 
 my Ubuntu with almost every single file in the system (kernel, basic 
 system libraries, startup scripts) and it just works without any major 
 problems.

I installed Linux recently and was amazed at how easy it has become in the 12 or so years since I last installed it. It was actually easier to install than Windows, and the application install/upgrade tools are a sight better than Windows as well (though they don't seem to indicated *where* they've installed something, which is a tad confusing when I'm installing kernel headers and such). I tried Ubuntu and Fedora recently, and found Ubuntu to be the easier of the two to install, but as it's a single CD install it lacks the "out of the box" functionality available in the fixe CD (or one DVD) Fedora. Still, that simply means I choose a bunch of stuff from the install/upgrade tool, which takes all of ten minutes and guarantees I'm not getting extra stuff I don't want. Linux is getting darn close to being a viable primary OS IMO. Particularly with VM software for running the few Windows apps I still need (WINE being an alternative in some cases). Sean
Apr 08 2006
parent =?UTF-8?B?SmFyaS1NYXR0aSBNw6RrZWzDpA==?= <jmjmak utu.fi.invalid> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:
 I installed Linux recently and was amazed at how easy it has become in
 the 12 or so years since I last installed it.  It was actually easier to
 install than Windows, and the application install/upgrade tools are a
 sight better than Windows as well (though they don't seem to indicated
 *where* they've installed something, which is a tad confusing when I'm
 installing kernel headers and such).

One annoying thing with these Windows Installshield wizards is that they usually save both the uninstall-files and the original application installation packages (.cab) in some windows/user tmp-folder. If you remove those files, it becomes impossible to uninstall the software. They are not that small (sometimes hundreds of megabytes) and might even reserve more space than the program itself.
 I tried Ubuntu and Fedora
 recently, and found Ubuntu to be the easier of the two to install, but
 as it's a single CD install it lacks the "out of the box" functionality
 available in the fixe CD (or one DVD) Fedora.  Still, that simply means

I've heard that FC5 is badly broken. Some problems with LVM, booting and networking.
 I choose a bunch of stuff from the install/upgrade tool, which takes all
 of ten minutes and guarantees I'm not getting extra stuff I don't want.
  Linux is getting darn close to being a viable primary OS IMO.
 Particularly with VM software for running the few Windows apps I still
 need (WINE being an alternative in some cases).

Wine + free VMWare server both work nicely. It's even possible to play old windows games, but some old programs with low-level I/O don't work so well. -- Jari-Matti
Apr 09 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it 
 useful at work.

I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too. I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.

Same here. In fact, they tend to slow me down, as animations take time to execute, consume resources, etc. That said, OSX has some fairly neat window management and layout features where you can "zoom out" on your desktop and then "zoom in" in different ways. I also love OpenGL in a window. But the rest I disable or ignore.
 If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to 
 surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the 
 operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without 
 reinstalling all my apps.
 
 Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do 
 regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there 
 are any symptoms of a rootkit.

It's a good idea. I only wish it were easier to do so. As it is, a reinstall would take me a full day to complete, and I'd still lose some application preferences I'd have to re-enter manually (Visual Studio settings, for example). I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS. There's little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade. About the only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to play that require it. And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or partition dedicated to gaming. Sean
Apr 08 2006
next sibling parent reply Don Clugston <dac nospam.com.au> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:
 Walter Bright wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it 
 useful at work.

I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too. I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI.

Same here. In fact, they tend to slow me down, as animations take time to execute, consume resources, etc. That said, OSX has some fairly neat window management and layout features where you can "zoom out" on your desktop and then "zoom in" in different ways. I also love OpenGL in a window. But the rest I disable or ignore.
 If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able 
 to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the 
 operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without 
 reinstalling all my apps.

 Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do 
 regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not 
 there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

It's a good idea. I only wish it were easier to do so. As it is, a reinstall would take me a full day to complete, and I'd still lose some application preferences I'd have to re-enter manually (Visual Studio settings, for example). I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS. There's little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade.

Me too. About the
 only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to 
 play that require it.  And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or 
 partition dedicated to gaming.

I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously. (Maybe Vista is trying to tie into that ?)
 
 
 Sean

Apr 08 2006
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
Don Clugston wrote:
 
 I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's 
 market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously.

This might be something for Apple. They've got a lot of good press and goodwill lately: iPods, Intel-Macs, etc. And they have a user base where folks are used to paying (overprice) for everything. Since they control both the hardware and the OS, there's never a problem with drivers or compatibility. Imagine buying the newest computer game -- and just _knowing_ it _works_! NO hassle. I'd pay extra just for the peace of mind.
Apr 08 2006
parent reply =?UTF-8?B?SmFyaS1NYXR0aSBNw6RrZWzDpA==?= <jmjmak utu.fi.invalid> writes:
Georg Wrede wrote:
 Don Clugston wrote:
 I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's
 market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously.

This might be something for Apple. They've got a lot of good press and goodwill lately: iPods, Intel-Macs, etc. And they have a user base where folks are used to paying (overprice) for everything. Since they control both the hardware and the OS, there's never a problem with drivers or compatibility. Imagine buying the newest computer game -- and just _knowing_ it _works_! NO hassle. I'd pay extra just for the peace of mind.

In that case you should consider game consoles. The semi-old ones (Sega Megadrive, SNES, ...) are IMO the best. The game-intensive Vista will be the most expensive version and have the best DRM-technologies available. Since it's possible to do almost everything else with Mac/Linux/BSD, the only reason to buy Vista will be new games. I suppose most proprietary business/educational software will still run on XP (and a bit later with WINE). -- Jari-Matti
Apr 09 2006
parent Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Jari-Matti Mäkelä wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 Don Clugston wrote:
 I think that the games market is tremendously important to Microsoft's
 market share. If it were to lose that, it would be game over. Seriously.

goodwill lately: iPods, Intel-Macs, etc. And they have a user base where folks are used to paying (overprice) for everything. Since they control both the hardware and the OS, there's never a problem with drivers or compatibility. Imagine buying the newest computer game -- and just _knowing_ it _works_! NO hassle. I'd pay extra just for the peace of mind.

In that case you should consider game consoles. The semi-old ones (Sega Megadrive, SNES, ...) are IMO the best.

Consoles are a lot of fun, but the games they offer are a bit different than those for the PC so it really depends on what sort of games you like to play. I like them both, but prefer different platforms for different game types. That aside, I'm hoping that Apple's switch to Intel will ease porting concerns a bit and that we'll begin to see a few more OSX games than in the past.
 The game-intensive Vista will be the most expensive version and have the
 best DRM-technologies available. Since it's possible to do almost
 everything else with Mac/Linux/BSD, the only reason to buy Vista will be
 new games. I suppose most proprietary business/educational software will
 still run on XP (and a bit later with WINE).

Thing is, Vista doesn't really offer anything for games over XP--all the same APIs are supported, etc. Also, Vista will consume far more resources behind the scenes than XP, so you'll need a more powerful system just to get equivalent performance as on XP. As you say, it may well be the DRM features publishers will find most attractive, but that's obviously not a selling point for users. Sean
Apr 09 2006
prev sibling parent Walter Bright <newshound digitalmars.com> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:
 I'm beginning to think that XP will be my last Windows OS.  There's 
 little in Vista that interests me, and the massive resource requirement 
 and DRM features are a substantial disincentive to upgrade.  About the 
 only reason I would do so is, once again, if there are games I'd like to 
 play that require it.  And if that comes to pass it will be on a PC or 
 partition dedicated to gaming.

PC games are among the worst culprits for surreptitiously installing rootkits, DRM's that screw up your device drivers, etc. I won't install them anymore. You can get a game console for $150 that will run the best games, and there's no install or compatibility problem. Just pop in the CD and go.
Apr 08 2006
prev sibling parent Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:
 Georg Wrede wrote:
 
 But, it's cool, sure. Still, I wonder if anybody over 30 finds it 
 useful at work.

I doubt it (I'm well over 30 <g>). What's a real productivity booster for me is bigger screens, more pixels. Sharper fonts are better, too. I couldn't care less about special effects on the UI. If Microsoft wants my Vista $$, the feature I want is to not be able to surreptitiously install a rootkit. Oh, and a way to reinstall the operating system (when it does get rootkitted anyway) without reinstalling all my apps. Because of the rootkit problem, I've resigned myself to not only do regular backups, but regular reinstalls of Windows, whether or not there are any symptoms of a rootkit.

Maybe reinstalls and backups aren't included when Microsoft pays consultancies to do Linux/Windows TCO comparisons? :-)
Apr 08 2006
prev sibling next sibling parent "Daniel Kos" <unodgs tlen.pl> writes:
You missed the point. All about opengl desktop is to have fully  
accelerated, flicker free drawing system
(which allow you to do better, more advanced gui apps).
All that effect are only the side effect. They were implemented to show  
the power of opengl desktop, not to
make your work more efficient.

Dnia Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:22:04 +0100, Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org>  
napisa:

 Has anyone seen this?
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-( Just what I needed to really BOOST my productivity! Fading menus: in the eighties, folks had green monitors with long afterglow. We got fade-in fade-out menus and stuff for free. Everybody hated it, and you had to pay double for a white-phosphor monitor that didn't do it. Now you have to pay extra to get a graphics card that can handle it. Overlapping, transparent movies: Yippeeee, now I can watch 24 episodes and Shaft, all at the same time and in the same position. Schizophrenia, embrace me, take me away, hahaaa hehee. (But I bet you can't have THREE movies on top of each other, buahahhahhaha. I'll wait till you get 5.) Rubber windows: OMG, how have we ever managed with sheets of paper on the desk???? Of course they should be made of condom latex. And they could have post-it glue round the edges, so that whenever I grab a sheet it goes wawawawa-spaff on me. Transparency: nice fake, but I still bet you can see only one level deep. And so what if you really could see several levels deep? Oh yes, the I could edit two different programs at the same time. Too bad they don't give away 3d glasses so I could see what lines of text belong to which program. (Without coloring them differently, of course.) So if we really needed that, then the Letter Size (or A4 for Europe) in my office would be *translucent* condom latex. Ever since 50 years back! Cube thing: gee, it sure is "faster or otherwise more productive" to play dice with the screens, than just switching between screens, right? Movie over cube edge: Now this is an essential! I always wanted to fold my LCD screen round the corner. That way I can see half the movie wherever I am. ================== What is it with people??? Everyone just has to have something the others don't. Who cares if it's useful or downright a burden! Kings used to walk around with 10 pounds of gold on their head. Gee. Half the people in my country just have to have cars with 200hp engines, although the speed limit is 75mph (120km/h) on freeways and 50 (80) elsewhere. (And I'm not going to quote what feminists say the reason is, this is a family site, after all.) It used to be a standing joke that M$ is in cohoots with hardware manufacturers. Every time they double the computer speed M$ wastes it with the next Windows. Well, now even Linux distros are getting there. ================== I've got 2 800MHz laptops as my main portables, with 250MB 20GB, and they sure are ample for all job related stuff that I ever need. But trying to run that kind of "improved" UI on them, forget about it. And to buy a Game Grade tabletop just so one can run the GUI -- a total waste of money. Besides, what's the point of having a server-capable OS in it if you waste all power to the eye-candy stuff?

-- uno (unodgs tlen.pl)
Mar 20 2006
prev sibling parent reply Tom <ihate spam.com> writes:
Georg Wrede escribi:
 Has anyone seen this?

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-( Just what I needed to really BOOST my productivity! Fading menus: in the eighties, folks had green monitors with long afterglow. We got fade-in fade-out menus and stuff for free. Everybody hated it, and you had to pay double for a white-phosphor monitor that [snip]

Woah man, don't cry so loud about this. It's a curiosity, if you don't like it or whatever just don't quote against it. No one says it was gonna enhance your productivity. Be cool :) Tom;
Mar 20 2006
parent reply Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
Tom wrote:
 Georg Wrede escribi:
 
 Has anyone seen this?
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux
 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-( Just what I needed to really BOOST my productivity! Fading menus: in the eighties, folks had green monitors with long afterglow. We got fade-in fade-out menus and stuff for free. Everybody hated it, and you had to pay double for a white-phosphor monitor that

 [snip]

Woah man, don't cry so loud about this. It's a curiosity, if you don't like it or whatever just don't quote against it. No one says it was gonna enhance your productivity. Be cool :)

Estoy tranquilo. Escribi antes de leyer las explicationes a la derecha de la pgina.
Mar 20 2006
parent reply Tom <ihate spam.com> writes:
Georg Wrede escribi:
 Tom wrote:
 Georg Wrede escribi:

 Has anyone seen this?

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh! 8-( Just what I needed to really BOOST my productivity! Fading menus: in the eighties, folks had green monitors with long afterglow. We got fade-in fade-out menus and stuff for free. Everybody hated it, and you had to pay double for a white-phosphor monitor that

 [snip]

Woah man, don't cry so loud about this. It's a curiosity, if you don't like it or whatever just don't quote against it. No one says it was gonna enhance your productivity. Be cool :)

Estoy tranquilo. Escribi antes de leyer las explicationes a la derecha de la pgina.

You mean: "Estoy tranquilo. Escrib antes de leer las explicaciones a la derecha de la pgina." :) Hey, I like your spanish intention, you've just enhanced my mood for the rest of the night (really)! I know that you had rush your answer, it's just you always write with such an anger against what you don't like, let it go man... You make me remember myself ;) (at least I'm not alone in my intolerant world :P). Kind regards, Tom;
Mar 20 2006
parent Georg Wrede <georg.wrede nospam.org> writes:
Tom wrote:
 Georg Wrede escribi:
 Tom wrote:
 Woah man, don't cry so loud about this. It's a curiosity, if you
 don't like it or whatever just don't quote against it. No one says it
 was gonna enhance your productivity. Be cool :)

Estoy tranquilo. Escribi antes de leyer las explicationes a la derecha de la pgina.

You mean: "Estoy tranquilo. Escrib antes de leer las explicaciones a la derecha de la pgina." :) Hey, I like your spanish intention, you've just enhanced my mood for the rest of the night (really)!

I actually thought there'd be more mistakes. :-)
 I know that you had rush your answer, it's just you always write with 
 such an anger against what you don't like, let it go man... You make me 
 remember myself ;) (at least I'm not alone in my intolerant world :P).

I remember some 5 years ago, when I came to the D newsgroups, one of my first posts was like "for the record, I tend to come out stronger than needed" or something like it. Ideally I'd like my opinion pieces to be informative, to the point, clear and persuasive. But still entertaining to read.
Mar 21 2006
prev sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Tom wrote:
 Has anyone seen this?
 
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-199899523054020719&q=linux

Bound to get people playing around when they should be working! It took me a moment to figure out the shape of the desktop. Then I realised it's a cube that's been squashed after rendering to fit on a 4x3 screen. I wonder what programming for that system would be like! Stewart. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/M d- s:- C++ a->--- UB P+ L E W++ N+++ o K- w++ O? M V? PS- PE- Y? PGP- t- 5? X? R b DI? D G e++>++++ h-- r-- !y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit.
Mar 22 2006