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reply aarti_pl <aarti interia.pl> writes:
Hello!

This is just another reminder about ongoing voting about properties:

http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php

Current results:

* about 68% of responders want to have special syntax for properties
* from people wanting new syntax most people want C# syntax (26 votes) 
and then almost ex-aequo syntax with "property" keyword (25 votes)
* seems that only one person from 88 voters like opGet_<property> syntax
* quite a big group of responders (~32%) wants just fix problems in 
existing property syntax
* 60% of people (but only 75 voters) want to remove possibility to omit 
parentheses from function call.


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Comments:

I think that these results are already quite representative, but poll 
should be open till tomorrow. So there is still chance to vote.


There appeared other proposals from time where poll was created. If you 
like something other than options in poll, then I think you should vote 
for "I want other syntax than above" option.


Personally I don't like so much C# syntax because of magic "value" 
variable, which refers to property value used in setter. There is 
another place in D where such a magic values appears: it is in variadic 
parameters functions. IMHO such a magic parameters could stay if there 
would be general syntax for getting compile time/runtime parameters of 
functions. In such a case there would be no more "magic" in language but 
rather clear rules how to read function parameter values using reflections.

Currently my choice would be something like proposal in DIP6 
(attributes). Using ' ' at the beginning of attributes could be also 
used in another place: in imports it could be used to escape keywords, 
so that following would be possible:
--
import std. traits; //then we could remove underscores from __traits
import d. for.masses;
--
It's most general way of annotating source code with special compiler 
understandable meanings. Looking at result of poll & also seeing many NG 
posts I believe that most of D community prefers generality over 
one-time hackish solutions. And that's something to think about it... :-)


It seems that almost no one likes "ugly" functions with underscores and 
messing operator names with property names. I am not so surprised about 
underscores at all: it was common practice in C++, but it's not so 
common in other modern languages. But then why in D we have so many of 
them although no one really likes it (__traits, foreach_reverse, 
_argptr, _arguments)?


And finally: why polls are not integral part of digitalmars web page? It 
took me only one hour to set up this poll...


BR
Marcin Kuszczak
(aarti_pl)
Aug 08 2009
next sibling parent Chad J <chadjoan __spam.is.bad__gmail.com> writes:
aarti_pl wrote:
 
 Currently my choice would be something like proposal in DIP6
 (attributes). Using ' ' at the beginning of attributes could be also
 used in another place: in imports it could be used to escape keywords,
 so that following would be possible:
 -- 
 import std. traits; //then we could remove underscores from __traits
 import d. for.masses;
 -- 
 It's most general way of annotating source code with special compiler
 understandable meanings. Looking at result of poll & also seeing many NG
 posts I believe that most of D community prefers generality over
 one-time hackish solutions. And that's something to think about it... :-)
 

for ( int i; i < args.length; i++ ) doSomething( args[i] ); auto t = traits(getMember,s,"foo"); Yeah, this would be cool. So much easier on the eyes.
 
 It seems that almost no one likes "ugly" functions with underscores and
 messing operator names with property names. I am not so surprised about
 underscores at all: it was common practice in C++, but it's not so
 common in other modern languages. But then why in D we have so many of
 them although no one really likes it (__traits, foreach_reverse,
 _argptr, _arguments)?
 

Maybe we should make another poll? :)
 
 And finally: why polls are not integral part of digitalmars web page? It
 took me only one hour to set up this poll...
 
 
 BR
 Marcin Kuszczak
 (aarti_pl)

Aug 08 2009
prev sibling parent reply Jeremie Pelletier <jeremiep gmail.com> writes:
aarti_pl Wrote:

 Hello!
 
 This is just another reminder about ongoing voting about properties:
 
 http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php
 
 Current results:
 
 * about 68% of responders want to have special syntax for properties
 * from people wanting new syntax most people want C# syntax (26 votes) 
 and then almost ex-aequo syntax with "property" keyword (25 votes)
 * seems that only one person from 88 voters like opGet_<property> syntax
 * quite a big group of responders (~32%) wants just fix problems in 
 existing property syntax
 * 60% of people (but only 75 voters) want to remove possibility to omit 
 parentheses from function call.
 
 
 ----
 Comments:
 
 I think that these results are already quite representative, but poll 
 should be open till tomorrow. So there is still chance to vote.
 
 
 There appeared other proposals from time where poll was created. If you 
 like something other than options in poll, then I think you should vote 
 for "I want other syntax than above" option.
 
 
 Personally I don't like so much C# syntax because of magic "value" 
 variable, which refers to property value used in setter. There is 
 another place in D where such a magic values appears: it is in variadic 
 parameters functions. IMHO such a magic parameters could stay if there 
 would be general syntax for getting compile time/runtime parameters of 
 functions. In such a case there would be no more "magic" in language but 
 rather clear rules how to read function parameter values using reflections.
 
 Currently my choice would be something like proposal in DIP6 
 (attributes). Using ' ' at the beginning of attributes could be also 
 used in another place: in imports it could be used to escape keywords, 
 so that following would be possible:
 --
 import std. traits; //then we could remove underscores from __traits
 import d. for.masses;
 --
 It's most general way of annotating source code with special compiler 
 understandable meanings. Looking at result of poll & also seeing many NG 
 posts I believe that most of D community prefers generality over 
 one-time hackish solutions. And that's something to think about it... :-)
 
 
 It seems that almost no one likes "ugly" functions with underscores and 
 messing operator names with property names. I am not so surprised about 
 underscores at all: it was common practice in C++, but it's not so 
 common in other modern languages. But then why in D we have so many of 
 them although no one really likes it (__traits, foreach_reverse, 
 _argptr, _arguments)?
 
 
 And finally: why polls are not integral part of digitalmars web page? It 
 took me only one hour to set up this poll...
 
 
 BR
 Marcin Kuszczak
 (aarti_pl)

Oops, I got the only one "keep things as they are now" vote haha. I meant to vote for the one with resolved +=. Took you an hour to set it up? Did you have to code it from scratch?
Aug 08 2009
parent aarti_pl <aarti interia.pl> writes:
Jeremie Pelletier pisze:
 aarti_pl Wrote:
 
 Hello!

 This is just another reminder about ongoing voting about properties:

 http://www.igsoft.net/dpolls/index.php

 Current results:

 * about 68% of responders want to have special syntax for properties
 * from people wanting new syntax most people want C# syntax (26 votes) 
 and then almost ex-aequo syntax with "property" keyword (25 votes)
 * seems that only one person from 88 voters like opGet_<property> syntax
 * quite a big group of responders (~32%) wants just fix problems in 
 existing property syntax
 * 60% of people (but only 75 voters) want to remove possibility to omit 
 parentheses from function call.


 ----
 Comments:

 I think that these results are already quite representative, but poll 
 should be open till tomorrow. So there is still chance to vote.


 There appeared other proposals from time where poll was created. If you 
 like something other than options in poll, then I think you should vote 
 for "I want other syntax than above" option.


 Personally I don't like so much C# syntax because of magic "value" 
 variable, which refers to property value used in setter. There is 
 another place in D where such a magic values appears: it is in variadic 
 parameters functions. IMHO such a magic parameters could stay if there 
 would be general syntax for getting compile time/runtime parameters of 
 functions. In such a case there would be no more "magic" in language but 
 rather clear rules how to read function parameter values using reflections.

 Currently my choice would be something like proposal in DIP6 
 (attributes). Using ' ' at the beginning of attributes could be also 
 used in another place: in imports it could be used to escape keywords, 
 so that following would be possible:
 --
 import std. traits; //then we could remove underscores from __traits
 import d. for.masses;
 --
 It's most general way of annotating source code with special compiler 
 understandable meanings. Looking at result of poll & also seeing many NG 
 posts I believe that most of D community prefers generality over 
 one-time hackish solutions. And that's something to think about it... :-)


 It seems that almost no one likes "ugly" functions with underscores and 
 messing operator names with property names. I am not so surprised about 
 underscores at all: it was common practice in C++, but it's not so 
 common in other modern languages. But then why in D we have so many of 
 them although no one really likes it (__traits, foreach_reverse, 
 _argptr, _arguments)?


 And finally: why polls are not integral part of digitalmars web page? It 
 took me only one hour to set up this poll...


 BR
 Marcin Kuszczak
 (aarti_pl)

Oops, I got the only one "keep things as they are now" vote haha. I meant to vote for the one with resolved +=. Took you an hour to set it up? Did you have to code it from scratch?

No, it's ready to use script. See here: http://www.dbscripts.net/poll/ BR Marcin Kuszczak (aarti_pl)
Aug 10 2009