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reply "Joakim" <dlang joakim.airpost.net> writes:
I was just googling for some info and I ran across the old web 
archive:

http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/radical_ideas_about_GC_and_ARC_need_to_be_time_driven_231949.html

Why is this web archive being kept around?  It means that there 
are three different places where any particular newsgroup message 
is archived, the web forums,

http://forum.dlang.org/thread/lkltve$2u2t$1 digitalmars.com

the web archive created by the mailing list,

http://lists.puremagic.com/pipermail/digitalmars-d/2014-May/197973.html

and the old web archive, with its horribly outdated look and 
incorrect formatting of messages.  All three show up in google 
results for D-related topics, likely confusing users about where 
to access the newsgroup.

If nothing else, perhaps crawlers should be told not to index 
those domains, if you still want to keep the webpages around for 
whatever reason, so that only forum.dlang.org shows up on google. 
  I think the old web archive should be taken down, as I doubt 
anybody uses it.
May 23 2014
next sibling parent "w0rp" <devw0rp gmail.com> writes:
I wonder what effect this has on PageRank. I have been told that 
Google can identify a site as an originator of content some 
times, and could reduce the rank of another site based on that, 
something like that. Then again, all SEO is basically nonsense, 
due to nobody truly understanding Google and the inevitable 
nature of Google growing too complex for anyone to be able to 
take any action that isn't just "show good content, format well."
May 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:35:18AM +0000, w0rp via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 I wonder what effect this has on PageRank. I have been told that
 Google can identify a site as an originator of content some times, and
 could reduce the rank of another site based on that, something like
 that. Then again, all SEO is basically nonsense, due to nobody truly
 understanding Google and the inevitable nature of Google growing too
 complex for anyone to be able to take any action that isn't just "show
 good content, format well."

Which is the whole point of putting stuff online in the first place. :-P I've always been skeptical of SEO. Google is known to implement changes to their ranking algorithm specifically to counter artificially inflated PageRank's. Why spend the time and energy pulling all those stunts, that could be better spent producing *good content* instead??! IME, if you have good, regularly updated content, eventually Google will find you, and once it finds you, you'll have a solid PageRank way up near the top, and you won't easily fall back down (unlike if you invested in questionable SEO tactics that gets targeted by the next algorithm upgrade, then suddenly your precious PageRank evaporates overnight). This happened to my personal hobby website: I did absolutely no SEO whatsoever, and for the first few years I was nowhere to be found on Google (unsurprisingly). But I kept up with the solid content, and eventually Google found me. Then others found me through Google, and started linking to me, and up I went in rank. Today my website is way up there with related Wikipedia entries and other high-ranking sites. Total amount of SEO effort: zero. Draw your own conclusions. T -- Leather is waterproof. Ever see a cow with an umbrella?
May 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Chris" <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Friday, 23 May 2014 at 14:12:38 UTC, H. S. Teoh via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:35:18AM +0000, w0rp via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 I wonder what effect this has on PageRank. I have been told 
 that
 Google can identify a site as an originator of content some 
 times, and
 could reduce the rank of another site based on that, something 
 like
 that. Then again, all SEO is basically nonsense, due to nobody 
 truly
 understanding Google and the inevitable nature of Google 
 growing too
 complex for anyone to be able to take any action that isn't 
 just "show
 good content, format well."

Which is the whole point of putting stuff online in the first place. :-P I've always been skeptical of SEO. Google is known to implement changes to their ranking algorithm specifically to counter artificially inflated PageRank's. Why spend the time and energy pulling all those stunts, that could be better spent producing *good content* instead??! IME, if you have good, regularly updated content, eventually Google will find you, and once it finds you, you'll have a solid PageRank way up near the top, and you won't easily fall back down (unlike if you invested in questionable SEO tactics that gets targeted by the next algorithm upgrade, then suddenly your precious PageRank evaporates overnight). This happened to my personal hobby website: I did absolutely no SEO whatsoever, and for the first few years I was nowhere to be found on Google (unsurprisingly). But I kept up with the solid content, and eventually Google found me. Then others found me through Google, and started linking to me, and up I went in rank. Today my website is way up there with related Wikipedia entries and other high-ranking sites. Total amount of SEO effort: zero. Draw your own conclusions. T

And the address of that hobby website would be ...?
May 23 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d" <digitalmars-d puremagic.com> writes:
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 02:30:56PM +0000, Chris via Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Friday, 23 May 2014 at 14:12:38 UTC, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:

I've always been skeptical of SEO. Google is known to implement
changes to their ranking algorithm specifically to counter
artificially inflated PageRank's. Why spend the time and energy
pulling all those stunts, that could be better spent producing *good
content* instead??!  IME, if you have good, regularly updated
content, eventually Google will find you, and once it finds you,
you'll have a solid PageRank way up near the top, and you won't
easily fall back down (unlike if you invested in questionable SEO
tactics that gets targeted by the next algorithm upgrade, then
suddenly your precious PageRank evaporates overnight).

This happened to my personal hobby website: I did absolutely no SEO
whatsoever, and for the first few years I was nowhere to be found on
Google (unsurprisingly). But I kept up with the solid content, and
eventually Google found me. Then others found me through Google, and
started linking to me, and up I went in rank. Today my website is way
up there with related Wikipedia entries and other high-ranking sites.
Total amount of SEO effort: zero.  Draw your own conclusions.


T

And the address of that hobby website would be ...?

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d If you search for "4D space" or "4D Euclidean space" it comes out on the 4th result in the first page. Other related search terms vary in rank, but a good number of 4D-related keywords have my website on the first page, for example "16-cell", "24-cell", etc., which appear right below the corresponding Wikipedia and Wolfram Mathworld pages. If you search for "bilunabirotunda" (admittedly, that's a very rare search term :P), my website outranks Wolfram Mathworld. :P The page ranks do vary quite a bit depending on the exact search term, but remember, I did absolutely *zero* SEO here -- not even to organize my pages in ways recommended by most SEO experts. T -- Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous? -- Hobbes, from Calvin & Hobbes
May 23 2014
prev sibling parent "Chris" <wendlec tcd.ie> writes:
On Friday, 23 May 2014 at 15:12:06 UTC, H. S. Teoh via 
Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 02:30:56PM +0000, Chris via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:
 On Friday, 23 May 2014 at 14:12:38 UTC, H. S. Teoh via 
 Digitalmars-d wrote:

I've always been skeptical of SEO. Google is known to 
implement
changes to their ranking algorithm specifically to counter
artificially inflated PageRank's. Why spend the time and 
energy
pulling all those stunts, that could be better spent 
producing *good
content* instead??!  IME, if you have good, regularly updated
content, eventually Google will find you, and once it finds 
you,
you'll have a solid PageRank way up near the top, and you 
won't
easily fall back down (unlike if you invested in questionable 
SEO
tactics that gets targeted by the next algorithm upgrade, then
suddenly your precious PageRank evaporates overnight).

This happened to my personal hobby website: I did absolutely 
no SEO
whatsoever, and for the first few years I was nowhere to be 
found on
Google (unsurprisingly). But I kept up with the solid 
content, and
eventually Google found me. Then others found me through 
Google, and
started linking to me, and up I went in rank. Today my 
website is way
up there with related Wikipedia entries and other 
high-ranking sites.
Total amount of SEO effort: zero.  Draw your own conclusions.


T

And the address of that hobby website would be ...?

http://eusebeia.dyndns.org/4d If you search for "4D space" or "4D Euclidean space" it comes out on the 4th result in the first page. Other related search terms vary in rank, but a good number of 4D-related keywords have my website on the first page, for example "16-cell", "24-cell", etc., which appear right below the corresponding Wikipedia and Wolfram Mathworld pages. If you search for "bilunabirotunda" (admittedly, that's a very rare search term :P), my website outranks Wolfram Mathworld. :P The page ranks do vary quite a bit depending on the exact search term, but remember, I did absolutely *zero* SEO here -- not even to organize my pages in ways recommended by most SEO experts. T

duckduckgo.com: 4D Euclidean space = 2nd result 4D space = 3rd result (not counting the sponsored link)
May 23 2014