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reply Oscar Brynolf <oscar.brynolf gmail.com> writes:
Good Evening!


My name is Oscar Brynolf. I'm a swedish web/gfx designer and hobby D user
living in Berlin. I'm the owner of the domain dlang.org.


--- Background ---
I was casually browsing domains for D about a year or two ago, as I found (and
still do find) d-programming-language.org to be a cumbersome and spam-like
domain. I was stunned to find that dlang.org was free! I just regged it on the
spot, as a reflex, with the intent of donating it to D or whatever. My
experience is you don't even blink on a 5-char keyword-class domain. Better me,
a D fan, than some troll, I reasoned. Then I did some research and found this
post: http://www.digitalmars.com/pnews/read.php?server=news.digitalmars.com&group=digitalmars.D.
nnounce&artnum=3744 , and I realized it had already been disqualified. Ouch. Oh
well, maybe I can make my own D website then? Could be a fun project. Did some
sketches, wrote some crap code, the summer went, reality kicked in, no website.
I'm sure you've at least heard of the pattern.

Then I read another post here in the NG not too long ago about the confusing
number of D websites around, and it hit me that, yeah, it's awfully confusing
for dlang.org to be used for a separate unofficial D-related website,
especially as it's more or less the canonical domain name if you have a
programming language called "D", like golang.org for "Go". It's the sort of
domain people try without even googling first. It's the sort of domain you can
use in Twitter posts as-is. It's the sort of... yeah. I mean if it was just
used for spam it wouldn't be confusing, just annoying, but if it's actually
used for a D-related website, it is confusing and it undermines the authority
of the official website. So I came up with a quick fix and just CNAME:d it to
d-programming-language.org, and it worked! and that was that.

Now, when I'm revisiting this ordeal again, I'm suddenly seeing that this
domain aliasing could potentially be regarded as some sort of sneaky attack or
something, and that it also makes things complicated for the website
maintainers. I considered it fair game back then, as the admin of that server
could block the domain at any time, and D seemed pretty ambivalent about its
websites anyway. Still, it's not very, erh, professional, to just alias a
domain to another, without asking. I must admit that. And D seems a lot more
serious about its web these days, so I'm trying to do the right thing, at last.
Sorry it took a while. Hence:


--- TL;DR ---
Dear and esteemed D community,

What should be done with the domain, dlang.org?
How would you like to see it used?

Just keep it CNAME:d to d-programming-language.org as it is now?
Or make it redirect, like d-p-l.org ?
Or should it be a separate website? What kind of website?
Something else? Ideas? Thoughts?

Personally, I think it should be the official domain. I think it's superior in
every way to d-programming-langauge.org.

Also, should the ownership be transferred?

(I'm ready to transfer it for free, under the right circumstances, to the right
person, no problem. I don't own it for profit in any way. My only wish is that
it's used as a real domain for something D-related. I'm quite stubborn about
this. If it's going to be used as just a redirect, I'm afraid I believe I have
better uses for it, albeit arbitrarily far into the future.)

In either case, perhaps the most important part is that you know who I am and
that I'm here and that I can be reasoned with. I don't always read this NG.
Feel free to send me emails to oscar dot brynolf at gmail dot com. I'll at
least try to follow this thread closely.


Kind regards
/Oscar
Dec 10 2011
next sibling parent so <so so.so> writes:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:43:25 +0200, Oscar Brynolf  
<oscar.brynolf gmail.com> wrote:

 ...

I'd love to see "dlang.org" as D homepage. By far it is the best name (good catch!).
Dec 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Trass3r <un known.com> writes:
Am 10.12.2011, 11:43 Uhr, schrieb Oscar Brynolf <oscar.brynolf gmail.com>:
 Good Evening!

 My name is Oscar Brynolf. I'm a swedish web/gfx designer and hobby D  
 user living in Berlin. I'm the owner of the domain dlang.org.

Hmm good evening? 11:43? ;)
 Dear and esteemed D community,

 What should be done with the domain, dlang.org?
 How would you like to see it used?

I totally agree with you. This *has* to become the official website. No redirects. Even the shortcut d-p-l.org is a pain to type cause of the dashes. Also it would make D google searches with prefix dlang possible.
Dec 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/10/11 4:43 AM, Oscar Brynolf wrote:
[snip]

Hi Oscar,


Thanks for writing! I also prefer dlang.org to the other domains we 
have. CNAME works great at least for the time being, but I think it's 
unfair to have you pay for it.

I'll talk to Walter about transferring registration, either to his 
company's or my name, then I'll email you privately to your gmail 
address. I'd also be glad to personally pay back whatever registration 
fees you have incurred until now, and I'm glad that you're not selling 
the domain to the highest bidder :o).


Thanks,

Andrei
Dec 10 2011
next sibling parent David Nadlinger <see klickverbot.at> writes:
+1 – dlang.org certainly seems like the best choice, 
d-programming-language.org is overly long [1], and d-p-l.org is imho odd 
to both type and look at.

The shorter name would also come in handy for referring to the URL in 
print material, and would make using subdomains for whatever »blessed« 
projects, fora, etc. there might be much more attractive.

Just my two cents,
David

[1] IIRC, I also suggested going for dlang or d-lang as GitHub org name, 
but it's too late for that now, http://github.com/dlang has been taken 
by now. ;)


On 12/10/11 8:11 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 12/10/11 4:43 AM, Oscar Brynolf wrote:
 [snip]

 Hi Oscar,


 Thanks for writing! I also prefer dlang.org to the other domains we
 have. CNAME works great at least for the time being, but I think it's
 unfair to have you pay for it.

 I'll talk to Walter about transferring registration, either to his
 company's or my name, then I'll email you privately to your gmail
 address. I'd also be glad to personally pay back whatever registration
 fees you have incurred until now, and I'm glad that you're not selling
 the domain to the highest bidder :o).


 Thanks,

 Andrei

Dec 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
On 12/10/2011 11:11 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 12/10/11 4:43 AM, Oscar Brynolf wrote:
 [snip]

 Hi Oscar,


 Thanks for writing! I also prefer dlang.org to the other domains we have. CNAME
 works great at least for the time being, but I think it's unfair to have you
pay
 for it.

 I'll talk to Walter about transferring registration, either to his company's or
 my name, then I'll email you privately to your gmail address. I'd also be glad
 to personally pay back whatever registration fees you have incurred until now,
 and I'm glad that you're not selling the domain to the highest bidder :o).

Let me chime in and thank Oscar, and I agree with everything Andrei said.
Dec 10 2011
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/10/11 2:35 PM, maarten van damme wrote:
 it's indeed better then d-p-l.org <http://d-p-l.org>.
 dlang.org <http://dlang.org> is a great new name and I would love to see
 it becoming the official d homepage.
 now only get it on the top of the google results when trying to search
 for "d lang" "d language" "d programming" and so on :)

Walter and I have decided to approach Oscar about transferring the domain. Many thanks! Andrei
Dec 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent maarten van damme <maartenvd1994 gmail.com> writes:
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it's indeed better then d-p-l.org.
dlang.org is a great new name and I would love to see it becoming the
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Dec 10 2011
prev sibling next sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
On 12/10/2011 12:35 PM, maarten van damme wrote:
 it's indeed better then d-p-l.org <http://d-p-l.org>.
 dlang.org <http://dlang.org> is a great new name and I would love to see it
becoming the official d homepage.
 now only get it on the top of the google results when trying to search for "d
lang" "d language" "d programming" and so
 on :)

The only reason I registered d-p-l.org is that it's what people were using in discussions about the site, so I figured it ought to actually work. It's purely there as a redirect to the real site name. It won't house any content.
Dec 10 2011
prev sibling parent Jens Mueller <jens.k.mueller gmx.de> writes:
Walter Bright wrote:
 On 12/10/2011 11:11 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 12/10/11 4:43 AM, Oscar Brynolf wrote:
[snip]

Hi Oscar,


Thanks for writing! I also prefer dlang.org to the other domains we have. CNAME
works great at least for the time being, but I think it's unfair to have you pay
for it.

I'll talk to Walter about transferring registration, either to his company's or
my name, then I'll email you privately to your gmail address. I'd also be glad
to personally pay back whatever registration fees you have incurred until now,
and I'm glad that you're not selling the domain to the highest bidder :o).

Let me chime in and thank Oscar, and I agree with everything Andrei said.

Many Thanks, Oscar. This is so very kind of you. If we ever meet remind me to buy you a drink or similar. And since Berlin is my hometown chances are quite good. Jens
Dec 12 2011
prev sibling parent "Kapps" <not spam.com> writes:
I definitely agree that dlang.org just looks *much* nicer than 
something like d-programming-language.org or even d-p-l.org. 
Honestly, d-programming-language.org does look like a spam 
domain, and dlang.org looks quite nice.
Dec 10 2011