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reply "Iain Buclaw" <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had 
a pleasant journey home.

To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions 
and debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked 
many mini projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration 
with gdc/ldc;  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't 
need a conference to get this sort of burst of activity of going. 
  And I imagine with some efforts (migrating D front end,  for 
instance) will require more discussions outside of the ML to keep 
it moving and iron out issues that can't be resolved through the 
ML.

For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up 
in any conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this 
effort, and others going.

Thoughts?


Regards
Iain.
May 05 2013
next sibling parent "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>  
wrote:

 Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a  
 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and  
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini  
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;   
 migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get  
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some  
 efforts (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more  
 discussions outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that  
 can't be resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any  
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others  
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.

This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees? -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender Project Coordinator The Horizon Project http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
May 06 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
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On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:

 On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>
 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a
 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.

This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees?

servers/clients out there that we can use. However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things. Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :) -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0'; --047d7bacbaa0d40b9a04dc138c27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6= May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flyboy= nw gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">flyboynw gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=

<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700,= Iain Buclaw &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibuclaw gdcproject.org" target=3D"_blank= ">ibuclaw gdcproject.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Well, =A0I&#39;m back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a p= leasant journey home.<br> <br> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and debat= es at aloft, I think it&#39;s great that this has sparked many mini project= s in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc; =A0migrating = D front end to D. =A0 However we don&#39;t need a conference to get this so= rt of burst of activity of going. =A0 And I imagine with some efforts (migr= ating D front end, =A0for instance) will require more discussions outside o= f the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can&#39;t be resolved t= hrough the ML.<br> <br> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any co= nference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others goin= g.<br> <br> Thoughts?<br> <br> <br> Regards<br> Iain.<br> </blockquote> <br></div></div> This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Go= ogle Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype suppo= rts 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a fre= e alternative that supports n attendees?<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color= =3D"#888888"><br> </font></span><br clear=3D"all"></blockquote></div><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_extra">SIP is a well supported protocol.=A0 There are various open so= urce servers/clients out there that we can use.<br><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_extra"> However, I don&#39;t think there would be &gt;25 people attending such thin= gs.=A0 Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conv= ersation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)<br></div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"> <br>-- <br>Iain Buclaw<br><br>*(p &lt; e ? p++ : p) =3D (c &amp; 0x0f) + &#= 39;0&#39;; </div></div> --047d7bacbaa0d40b9a04dc138c27--
May 06 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw gmail.com> writes:
On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> wrote:

 On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:

 On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>
 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a
 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to  
 get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some  
 efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in  
 any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and  
 others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.

This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees?

servers/clients out there that we can use. However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things. Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)

Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D forward. :-) -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender Project Coordinator The Horizon Project http://www.thehorizonproject.org/
May 06 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
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On 6 May 2013 23:10, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:

 On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com>
 wrote:

  On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson <flyboynw gmail.com> wrote:
  On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>
 wrote:

  Well,  I'm back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had a

 pleasant journey home.

 To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and
 debates at aloft, I think it's great that this has sparked many mini
 projects in full speed ahead - auto tester integration with gdc/ldc;
  migrating D front end to D.   However we don't need a conference to get
 this sort of burst of activity of going.   And I imagine with some
 efforts
 (migrating D front end,  for instance) will require more discussions
 outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can't be
 resolved through the ML.

 For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any
 conference calls (monthly, or quarterly) to keep this effort, and others
 going.

 Thoughts?


 Regards
 Iain.

Google Hangouts is limited to 10 participants with n viewers. And Skype supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is a free alternative that supports n attendees? SIP is a well supported protocol. There are various open source

However, I don't think there would be >25 people attending such things. Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)

the conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the conference. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more regular meeting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all there are a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D forward. :-)

various developments in the language. Eg: People who are dealing with rvalues as references may not be the same people who are dealing with migrating D front end to D, or people dealing with CTFE implementation. However we should always be inviting to people who want to listen in on the conversation. =) -- Iain Buclaw *(p < e ? p++ : p) = (c & 0x0f) + '0'; --047d7bb044acda036304dc1d08d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6= May 2013 23:10, Adam Wilson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flyboy= nw gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">flyboynw gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=

<div class=3D"im">On Mon, 06 May 2013 14:40:31 -0700, Iain Buclaw &lt;<a hr= ef=3D"mailto:ibuclaw ubuntu.com" target=3D"_blank">ibuclaw ubuntu.com</a>&g= t; wrote:<br> <br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"> On 6 May 2013 21:32, Adam Wilson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flyboynw gmail.com" = target=3D"_blank">flyboynw gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <br> </div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar= gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Sun, 05 May 2013 04:32:50 -0700, Iain Buclaw &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ibucl= aw gdcproject.org" target=3D"_blank">ibuclaw gdcproject.org</a>&gt;<br> wrote:<br> <br> =A0Well, =A0I&#39;m back home safely and I hope everyone else at dconf had = a<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> pleasant journey home.<br> <br> To follow up on a point I made during one of the many discussions and<br> debates at aloft, I think it&#39;s great that this has sparked many mini<br=

=A0migrating D front end to D. =A0 However we don&#39;t need a conference t= o get<br> this sort of burst of activity of going. =A0 And I imagine with some effort= s<br> (migrating D front end, =A0for instance) will require more discussions<br> outside of the ML to keep it moving and iron out issues that can&#39;t be<b= r> resolved through the ML.<br> <br> For this I am available on Skype, and would be willing to show up in any<br=


<br> Thoughts?<br> <br> <br> Regards<br> Iain.<br> <br> </blockquote> <br> This is a fantastic idea, and a year is a long time to wait. I know that<br=

supports 25 people in a call before charging. Does anyone know if there is<= br> a free alternative that supports n attendees?<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"im"> SIP is a well supported protocol. =A0There are various open source<br> servers/clients out there that we can use.<br> <br> However, I don&#39;t think there would be &gt;25 people attending such thin= gs.<br> Infact, things might get ugly if more than 20 people join in on<br> conversation, unless there is some sort of policing going on. :)<br> <br> </div></blockquote> <br> Well, I was thinking that more than 25 people might interested in joining t= he conference call. I mean we did just get around 85 people for the confere= nce. Although I suppose not everyone would have time for a more regular mee= ting, I could see enough potential interest to hit 25. After all there are = a quite a few of us who are rather interested in moving D forward. :-)<div = class=3D"HOEnZb"> <div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div class= =3D"gmail_extra">Indeed.=A0 I was thinking more of involving people who are= intimate with the various developments in the language.=A0 Eg:=A0 People w= ho are dealing with rvalues as references may not be the same people who ar= e dealing with migrating D front end to D, or people dealing with CTFE impl= ementation.=A0 However we should always be inviting to people who want to l= isten in on the conversation.=A0 =3D)<br clear=3D"all"> </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>-- <br>Iain Buclaw<br><br>*(p &lt; e ?= p++ : p) =3D (c &amp; 0x0f) + &#39;0&#39;; </div></div> --047d7bb044acda036304dc1d08d3--
May 07 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) 
usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It 
requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to 
setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it 
simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And 
XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still 
experimental/work-in-progress.

For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with 
better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a challenging 
task actually.
May 07 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - 
managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell 
with no extra tools :)
May 07 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "deadalnix" <deadalnix gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:05:50 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
 For voice conferences with large amount of participants (20+) 
 usually stuff like TeamSpeak, Ventrilo and Mumble is used. It 
 requires some special approach - for example, it is possible to 
 setup SIP voice conference but because of SIP architecture it 
 simply won't scale well for large amount of participants. And 
 XMPPP/Jingle support for conferences is still 
 experimental/work-in-progress.

 For video conferences I am not aware of any free solution with 
 better capability than Google Hangouts. It is quite a 
 challenging task actually.

As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't sufficient itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used to do something completely differently. It is only useful to connect stream of data. Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual toolchain that contains SIP is.
May 07 2013
prev sibling next sibling parent "Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, 7 May 2013 at 09:18:01 UTC, deadalnix wrote:
 As a side note, SIP is a signaling protocol. It isn't 
 sufficient itself to do this kind of stuff and can also be used 
 to do something completely differently. It is only useful to 
 connect stream of data.

 Nothing in SIP itself make it inadequate here, but the usual 
 toolchain that contains SIP is.

Well I am not aware of any actual service that uses anything else but default SIP+SDP+RTP so it is more of a theory. SIP itself is very flexible indeed and easily extended with non-standard extensions if needed but with no actual implementation it is hardly useful ;) P.S. SIP itself is not even capable of connecting streams of data, it encapsulates Session Description Protocol for it. Only pure exchange of intentions.
May 07 2013
prev sibling parent Nick Sabalausky <SeeWebsiteToContactMe semitwist.com> writes:
On Tue, 07 May 2013 11:07:40 +0200
"Dicebot" <m.strashun gmail.com> wrote:

 P.S. Also it is as much a social issue as a technical challenge - 
 managing 20+ people trying to speak at the same time is a hell 
 with no extra tools :)

Yea, that size conversation can be difficult enough on IRC, let alone with voice.
May 07 2013