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digitalmars.D - True Properties Poll

reply Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+d gmail.com> writes:
It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take stab at
it.

This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and
discussion can be found in DIP4:
http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4

Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three votes
starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. Reasoning can
come after your vote.

    1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
    2. Keep things as they are.
    3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.
    4. Remove current "property" syntax.
    5. Prevent . on rvalues

Extended Voting

    A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
    B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.

If I missed something, to bad, write your own poll. Please only respond if you
are voting or commenting on another's vote. This allows top level posts to
contain poll answers only.
Jul 31 2009
next sibling parent reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:11:41 -0400, Jesse Phillips  
<jessekphillips+d gmail.com> wrote:


 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take  
 stab at it.

 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and  
 discussion can be found in DIP4:  
 http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4

 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three  
 votes starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives.  
 Reasoning can come after your vote.

     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving  
 new property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



1 depending on what the proposed "special syntax/keyword" is.
Jul 31 2009
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:

 On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:11:41 -0400, Jesse Phillips 
 <jessekphillips+d gmail.com> wrote:
 

 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take 
 stab at it.

 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and 
 discussion can be found in DIP4: 
 http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4

 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three 
 votes starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. 
 Reasoning can come after your vote.

     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving 
 new property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



 1 depending on what the proposed "special syntax/keyword" is.



You already broke the rule :o). I'd say polls should be somewhere online 
and discussions here.

Andrei
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Adam D. Ruppe" <destructionator gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 03:11:41PM -0400, Jesse Phillips wrote:

     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.



Resolving the += would be nice, but isn't a big deal if it is hard to fix.

-- 
Adam D. Ruppe
http://arsdnet.net
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jesse Phillips <jessekphillips+d gmail.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips Wrote:


 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take stab at
it.
 
 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and
discussion can be found in DIP4:
http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4
 
 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three votes
starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. Reasoning can
come after your vote.
 
     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues
 
 Extended Voting
 
     A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.
 
 If I missed something, to bad, write your own poll. Please only respond if you
are voting or commenting on another's vote. This allows top level posts to
contain poll answers only.



3
1
2

Properties are syntactic sugar, I do not find the issues related to
function/property ambiguity to an issue. The only thing I have against the
current syntax is that you can't use shortcuts like += or ++. If this can be
resolved without a new syntax, the better.

I find writing

property int foo { get; set;}

More work than

public int foo;
Jul 31 2009
parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Jesse Phillips" <jessekphillips+d gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:h4vg5q$13mn$1 digitalmars.com...

 I find writing

 property int foo { get; set;}

 More work than

 public int foo;



That's an unfair apples-to-oranges comparison.

This:

property int foo { get; set;}

Is comparable to this current code:

private int _foo;
int foo()
{
    return _foo;
}
int foo(int value)
{
    _foo = value;
    return value;
}

It is *not* comparable to:

public int foo;
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Jesse Phillips" <jessekphillips+d gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:h4vfld$12m2$1 digitalmars.com...

 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take 
 stab at it.

 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and 
 discussion can be found in DIP4: 
 http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4

 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three 
 votes starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. 
 Reasoning can come after your vote.

    1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
    2. Keep things as they are.
    3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new 
 property syntax.
    4. Remove current "property" syntax.
    5. Prevent . on rvalues

 Extended Voting

    A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
    B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.

 If I missed something, to bad, write your own poll. Please only respond if 
 you are voting or commenting on another's vote. This allows top level 
 posts to contain poll answers only.



Ideal: Combine 1, 3, 4 and fix the problem with . on rvalues without doing 
#5.
Secondary: Anything in between "Ideal" and "Minimum That's Acceptable".
Minimum That's Acceptable: Combine 3, 4 and  5.

Joke: Let's make a poll on how a properties poll should be made ;)
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Rainer Deyke <rainerd eldwood.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips wrote:

     5. Prevent . on rvalues



Please, "treat rvalues as const".

This is safe:
  int x = f().y;

This is not safe:
  void g(ref int) {}
  g(f());


-- 
Rainer Deyke - rainerd eldwood.com
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Ary Borenszweig <ary esperanto.org.ar> writes:
Jesse Phillips wrote:

 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three votes
starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. Reasoning can
come after your vote.
 
     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



1
3
5


 Extended Voting
 
     A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.



Attributes should be introduced for properties, and things such as 
"align(1)" should be changed to attributes.


     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.



Yes.
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Simen Kjaeraas" <simen.kjaras gmail.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips wrote:


     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving  
 new property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



1
3


     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.



As long as it does not interfere with "a = b.c.d;", I'm fine with it.

-- 
   Simen
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent Chad J <chadjoan __spam.is.bad__gmail.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips wrote:

 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take stab at
it.
 
 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and
discussion can be found in DIP4:
http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4
 
 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three votes
starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. Reasoning can
come after your vote.
 
     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues
 
 Extended Voting
 
     A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.
 
 If I missed something, to bad, write your own poll. Please only respond if you
are voting or commenting on another's vote. This allows top level posts to
contain poll answers only.



1
5
4

B

(Yeah, you should really have the kind robots count these for you.)
Jul 31 2009
prev sibling next sibling parent "Denis Koroskin" <2korden gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:11:41 +0400, Jesse Phillips  
<jessekphillips+d gmail.com> wrote:


 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take  
 stab at it.

 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and  
 discussion can be found in DIP4:  
 http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4

 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three  
 votes starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives.  
 Reasoning can come after your vote.

     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving  
 new property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



1, 3, 4


 Extended Voting

     A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.

 If I missed something, to bad, write your own poll. Please only respond  
 if you are voting or commenting on another's vote. This allows top level  
 posts to contain poll answers only.
Aug 01 2009
prev sibling parent Leandro Lucarella <llucax gmail.com> writes:
Jesse Phillips, el 31 de julio a las 15:11 me escribiste:

 It seem no one is confident in their poll writing skills, so I'll take stab at
it.
 
 This poll is related to D not providing "true" properties. Details and
discussion can be found in DIP4:
http://prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?LanguageDevel/DIPs/DIP4
 
 Below you will find a list of options. Please place a maximum of three votes
starting with what you would prefer and then your alternatives. Reasoning can
come after your vote.
 
     1. Provide a special syntax/keyword to specify properties.
     2. Keep things as they are.
     3. Keep things as they are, resolving the += ... without involving new
property syntax.
     4. Remove current "property" syntax.
     5. Prevent . on rvalues



1
3
5


 Extended Voting
 
     A. #4 should happen with or without a new property syntax.
     B. Preventing . on rvalues should be done anyway.



B

-- 
Leandro Lucarella (luca) | Blog colectivo: http://www.mazziblog.com.ar/blog/
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Aug 01 2009