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digitalmars.D - Time for a new newsgroup?

reply Mark T <marktxx_zzz yahoo.com> writes:
Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?

The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.

Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
have way more capabilties.

   comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
is still out there.]
Jan 10 2007
next sibling parent Frits van Bommel <fvbommel REMwOVExCAPSs.nl> writes:
Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.

Did you try http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php ? It seems to be much better than the normal web interface. I haven't used it much though, I much prefer Thunderbird to the web interfaces.
Jan 10 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Mark T wrote:
<snip>
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.

IMO this would just split up the community. Better would be if only Google would add our D newsgroups. How would one go about getting the 'groups out onto Usenet? This might help, but on the other hand.... Stewart.
Jan 10 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> writes:
Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.
 
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.
 
    comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
 is still out there.]

Why not just set it up a reader locally on your system and be done with it? Thunderbird is great.
Jan 10 2007
parent Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
John Reimer wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:40:29 +0900, Mike Parker wrote:
 
 Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?

 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.

 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.

    comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
 is still out there.]

it? Thunderbird is great.

I used to use Thunderbird, but it had some strange issues with phantom posts now and again. It wasn't bad... but it wasn't great either. :)

I've run into this as well. I think it may be related to canceled posts. One trick I've found to fix this for at least some situations is to post something, open it and read it in Thunderbird, then cancel it. Sean
Jan 11 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Mark,

 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless. In
 fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.
 
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.
 
 comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago is
 still out there.]
 

As said before, the web client isn't the best way to access an NNTP newsgroups. I've been trying out JetBrains Omea Reader. (I kept having t-bird lose about 10K posts and then try to re-download them)
Jan 10 2007
parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
BCS wrote:
 Reply to Mark,
 
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?

 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless. In
 fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.

 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.

 comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago is
 still out there.]

As said before, the web client isn't the best way to access an NNTP newsgroups. I've been trying out JetBrains Omea Reader. (I kept having t-bird lose about 10K posts and then try to re-download them)

I'd like to find a newsreader that can save settings on the net somewhere. The one and *only* thing I like about forums is that it remembers which articles I've read no matter where I am. It would be nice if I could tell my newsreader to save its state to some web space via ssh. Anyone know of a newsreader that can do that? --bb
Jan 18 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Kyle Furlong <kylefurlong gmail.com> writes:
Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.
 
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.
 
    comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
 is still out there.]

I agree with the other regulars, thunderbird, or another comparable newsreader client is perfect. I run it just to contribute here.
Jan 10 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.

Most people use something like Thunderbird. If I were forced to use the current web interface however, I would indeed hardly visit this newsgroup.
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.
 
    comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
 is still out there.]

This newsgroup is just fine, it's the default web interface that sucks. It is not 'really' a problem, since failing to use a good reader there are web interfaces available now that do not suck, one has been mentioned. But it IS a problem. I suspect there are a lot of people who (try) to use the web interface. That a good reader is much better is not changing that fact. The current one puts people off too much. 'PR-wise' I think it makes quite a difference, and what is the effort of changing the default web interface?
Jan 11 2007
next sibling parent reply Michael Snoyman <michaelREMOVE snoyman.fakedomain.com> writes:
== Quote from Lutger (lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com)'s article
 This newsgroup is just fine, it's the default web interface that sucks.
 It is not 'really' a problem, since failing to use a good reader there
 are web interfaces available now that do not suck, one has been mentioned.
 But it IS a problem. I suspect there are a lot of people who (try) to
 use the web interface. That a good reader is much better is not changing
 that fact. The current one puts people off too much. 'PR-wise' I think
 it makes quite a difference, and what is the effort of changing the
 default web interface?

Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For us , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement and would allow us to join the community more. Michael
Jan 11 2007
next sibling parent Lutger <lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com> writes:
Michael Snoyman wrote:
 Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install our own
 reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For us , a better web
 interface would be a huge enhancement and would allow us to join the community
more.
 
 Michael

Good point. You can already use this alternative: http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?search_txt=&group=digitalmars.D I'm pretty much a web noob, but isn't this simply a matter of changing a few links on the digital mars front page?
Jan 11 2007
prev sibling parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Michael Snoyman wrote:
<snip>
 Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install 
 our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For 
 us , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement and would 
 allow us to join the community more.

What kinds of companies stronghold their employees to this level? The purpose I see in a web interface is for catching up on things while away from one's usual Internet connection, e.g. on a shared machine in a library or somewhere. Stewart.
Jan 11 2007
parent reply Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Stewart Gordon wrote:
 Michael Snoyman wrote:
 <snip>
 Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install 
 our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For us 
 , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement and would allow 
 us to join the community more.

What kinds of companies stronghold their employees to this level?

Mine. For whatever reason, it seems fairly common practice to block port 119. Personally, I think it's somewhat ridiculous, as newsgroup access is very useful for software development, but whatever. This is why I've come to like Google Groups. It's not because I actually like the interface, but because I can access it from everywhere.
 The purpose I see in a web interface is for catching up on things while 
 away from one's usual Internet connection, e.g. on a shared machine in a 
 library or somewhere.

That too. Sean
Jan 11 2007
parent reply Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
Sean Kelly wrote:
 Stewart Gordon wrote:
 Michael Snoyman wrote:
 <snip>
 Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install 
 our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For 
 us , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement and would 
 allow us to join the community more.

What kinds of companies stronghold their employees to this level?

Mine. For whatever reason, it seems fairly common practice to block port 119.

Have you tried asking why they do this?
 Personally, I think it's somewhat ridiculous, as newsgroup 
 access is very useful for software development, but whatever.

Indeed, I imagine nearly every Internet technology was designed with some serious practical purpose in mind. Probably too many people are too quick to dismiss such things as IRC, MSN Messenger and the like as mere toys. If people are doing this with newsgroups now, this must be very bad news. What next? Stewart.
Jan 12 2007
parent Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> writes:
Stewart Gordon wrote:
 Sean Kelly wrote:
 Stewart Gordon wrote:
 Michael Snoyman wrote:
 <snip>
 Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't 
 install our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from 
 working. For us , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement 
 and would allow us to join the community more.

What kinds of companies stronghold their employees to this level?

Mine. For whatever reason, it seems fairly common practice to block port 119.

Have you tried asking why they do this?

No. It's not worth the trouble. :-) Sean
Jan 12 2007
prev sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Michael Snoyman wrote:
 == Quote from Lutger (lutger.blijdestijn gmail.com)'s article
 This newsgroup is just fine, it's the default web interface that sucks.
 It is not 'really' a problem, since failing to use a good reader there
 are web interfaces available now that do not suck, one has been mentioned.
 But it IS a problem. I suspect there are a lot of people who (try) to
 use the web interface. That a good reader is much better is not changing
 that fact. The current one puts people off too much. 'PR-wise' I think
 it makes quite a difference, and what is the effort of changing the
 default web interface?

Some of us want to read these forums from work where we can't install our own reader and/or have a firewall blocking it from working. For us , a better web interface would be a huge enhancement and would allow us to join the community more. Michael

Not to distract from the 'improve the web interface' discussion, but there's another non-web based alternative. Assuming inbound email isn't blocked.. you could switch to the gatewayed mailing lists: http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo Later, Brad
Jan 11 2007
prev sibling parent John Reimer <terminal.node gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 14:40:29 +0900, Mike Parker wrote:

 Mark T wrote:
 Does anyone else use the Web interface to read this newsgroup?
 
 The old one was ok but the PHP News Reader is pretty worthless.
 In fact I hardly ever visit this group because of that.
 
 Maybe just create a new D newsgroup under google groups which would
 have way more capabilties.
 
    comp.lang.d  would be nice but it seems that it is really hard
 these days to start a usenet group [of course comp.lang.deadlongago
 is still out there.]

Why not just set it up a reader locally on your system and be done with it? Thunderbird is great.

I used to use Thunderbird, but it had some strange issues with phantom posts now and again. It wasn't bad... but it wasn't great either. :) I decided to try "pan". I used the lightweight newsreader often on Linux and was pleased to see it available for win32 as well (be sure to download the gtk shared libraries for win32 first): http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/ For those of us who haven't quite succeeded in migrating away from win32 completely, it's a great choice. -JJR
Jan 11 2007