digitalmars.D - So, what happened?
- nobody <nobody5555 klassmaster.com> Aug 26 2007
- Steve Teale <steve.teale britseyeview.com> Aug 26 2007
- Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> Aug 27 2007
- BLS <nanali nospam-wanadoo.fr> Aug 27 2007
- Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> Aug 27 2007
- Paul <pauldotddotanderson comcast.net> Aug 27 2007
- Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> Aug 27 2007
- Sascha Katzner <sorry.no spam.invalid> Sep 05 2007
- J Duncan <me nospam.com> Aug 27 2007
- Mike Parker <aldacron71 yahoo.com> Aug 27 2007
- Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> Aug 27 2007
- Walter Bright <newshound1 digitalmars.com> Aug 27 2007
- Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> Aug 27 2007
- Sean Kelly <sean f4.ca> Aug 27 2007
- Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> Aug 27 2007
- Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> Aug 28 2007
Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Aug 26 2007
nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
Aug 26 2007
Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> Steve Teale wrote:nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
I don't like secrets. :\
Aug 27 2007
Steve Teale schrieb:nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
Aug 27 2007
BLS wrote:Steve Teale schrieb:nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
Nah. I don't think it 'feels' this harsh. It's monday, after all, so most of the guys may still recover from massive jetlags or hangovers (or both (for massive dynamicism)). I'll just patiently wait until any of the attendees joins on IRC - then they'll be kidnapped and tortued... I mean.. lets just be patient. :P
Aug 27 2007
Alexander Panek Wrote:BLS wrote:Steve Teale schrieb:nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
Nah. I don't think it 'feels' this harsh. It's monday, after all, so most of the guys may still recover from massive jetlags or hangovers (or both (for massive dynamicism)). I'll just patiently wait until any of the attendees joins on IRC - then they'll be kidnapped and tortued... I mean.. lets just be patient. :P
I've hesitated to report because I was only very peripherally involved in the discussions and it's not an area I know much about, but as I understand it the point of agreement was to make the two libraries compatible, so that Tango would work like "just another library". This implies that the Phobos and Tango would share a common runtime library, which was the focus of Sean Kelly's talk at the conference. There are also a few incompatibilities (toString and toUTF8; errors and exceptions) that need to be sorted out. The bottom line (if I've got it right) is that both Tango and Phobos will continue but it will no longer be an either/or situation for developers. Others with more involvement can probably give a clearer report. Paul
Aug 27 2007
Paul wrote:I've hesitated to report because I was only very peripherally involved in the discussions and it's not an area I know much about, but as I understand it the point of agreement was to make the two libraries compatible, so that Tango would work like "just another library". This implies that the Phobos and Tango would share a common runtime library, which was the focus of Sean Kelly's talk at the conference. There are also a few incompatibilities (toString and toUTF8; errors and exceptions) that need to be sorted out. The bottom line (if I've got it right) is that both Tango and Phobos will continue but it will no longer be an either/or situation for developers.
That's my understanding of what transpired. Myself and the Tango team both agree that the current situation is not good, and to fix it we need to remove the incompatibilities between the two, and we intend to do so.
Aug 27 2007
Walter Bright wrote:Paul wrote:The bottom line (if I've got it right) is that both Tango and Phobos will continue but it will no longer be an either/or situation for developers.
That's my understanding of what transpired. Myself and the Tango team both agree that the current situation is not good, and to fix it we need to remove the incompatibilities between the two, and we intend to do so.
So there will be a Tobos in D 3.x? ;) LLAP, Sascha
Sep 05 2007
Paul wrote:Alexander Panek Wrote:BLS wrote:Steve Teale schrieb:nobody Wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
Evidently it's a secret.
most of the guys may still recover from massive jetlags or hangovers (or both (for massive dynamicism)). I'll just patiently wait until any of the attendees joins on IRC - then they'll be kidnapped and tortued... I mean.. lets just be patient. :P
I've hesitated to report because I was only very peripherally involved in the discussions and it's not an area I know much about, but as I understand it the point of agreement was to make the two libraries compatible, so that Tango would work like "just another library". This implies that the Phobos and Tango would share a common runtime library, which was the focus of Sean Kelly's talk at the conference. There are also a few incompatibilities (toString and toUTF8; errors and exceptions) that need to be sorted out. The bottom line (if I've got it right) is that both Tango and Phobos will continue but it will no longer be an either/or situation for developers. Others with more involvement can probably give a clearer report. Paul
*Pops the champagne cork*
Aug 27 2007
nobody wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
I think you have read too much into the situation. The point was that they were going to /discuss/ a merger. It's safe to say that this is an issue that will not be resolved very quickly and that there will be an ongoing dialogue.
Aug 27 2007
Mike Parker wrote:nobody wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
I think you have read too much into the situation. The point was that they were going to /discuss/ a merger. It's safe to say that this is an issue that will not be resolved very quickly and that there will be an ongoing dialogue.
What Mike said ^^. I think we all agreed that the current situation isn't ideal and that we'd like to rectify it. However, there are some technical and workflow issues to address, at the very least. I suppose we could have hashed out more of the details at the conference, but I feel it would have been inappropriate to monopolize Walter's time in such a manner. To me, the meeting was more about simply meeting one another and figuring out where we stood on things. In the meantime, I do feel that tangobos is a reasonable option for people wishing to use Tango and Phobos together in the same application. Sean
Aug 27 2007
Sean Kelly wrote:What Mike said ^^. I think we all agreed that the current situation isn't ideal and that we'd like to rectify it. However, there are some technical and workflow issues to address, at the very least. I suppose we could have hashed out more of the details at the conference, but I feel it would have been inappropriate to monopolize Walter's time in such a manner. To me, the meeting was more about simply meeting one another and figuring out where we stood on things. In the meantime, I do feel that tangobos is a reasonable option for people wishing to use Tango and Phobos together in the same application.
Yes. I think the big win was that we were able to sit down face to face and realize that we really were all on the same side and have the same goals.
Aug 27 2007
Sean Kelly wrote:Mike Parker wrote:nobody wrote:Anyone care to elaborate what happened during the conference with the much anticipated merge of Tango and Phobos? Thanks
I think you have read too much into the situation. The point was that they were going to /discuss/ a merger. It's safe to say that this is an issue that will not be resolved very quickly and that there will be an ongoing dialogue.
What Mike said ^^. I think we all agreed that the current situation isn't ideal and that we'd like to rectify it.
Didn't we already all agree on that before the conference?However, there are some technical and workflow issues to address, at the very least. I suppose we could have hashed out more of the details at the conference, but I feel it would have been inappropriate to monopolize Walter's time in such a manner.
Given that this is the one thing a lot of people were hoping would come out as a result of the conference, I can hardly think of a more constructive use for Walter's conference time. I think it would have been ok for you and the Tango team to monopolize a little more. :-) From this end, unfortunately the responses are sounding a lot like a nice way of saying "nothing happened and nothing is going to happen any time soon". :-( --bb
Aug 27 2007
Bill Baxter wrote:Sean Kelly wrote:However, there are some technical and workflow issues to address, at the very least. I suppose we could have hashed out more of the details at the conference, but I feel it would have been inappropriate to monopolize Walter's time in such a manner.
Given that this is the one thing a lot of people were hoping would come out as a result of the conference, I can hardly think of a more constructive use for Walter's conference time. I think it would have been ok for you and the Tango team to monopolize a little more. :-)
Scheduling was a bit tight Thursday and Friday and I really didn't want to feel that we were depriving the other attendees face time with Walter. As it is, our chat kept us away from much of Bartosz's talk, and it's one that I very much wanted to hear in its entirety.From this end, unfortunately the responses are sounding a lot like a nice way of saying "nothing happened and nothing is going to happen any time soon". :-(
We should be able to sort out the rest via email and such. And if that turns out not to be possible, I don't live terribly far from Seattle and wouldn't mind visiting the city again anyway (Kris either, I imagine). So please be patient. I have a raft of Tango tickets I'd been ignoring while preparing for the conference as well as a number of personal commitments over the next few weeks, so some delay doesn't mean that no progress is being made or that the merge will never happen. Rather, the bills need to be paid, etc. This is the best I can do at the moment unless someone wants to put me on retainer for writing D code ;-) Sean
Aug 27 2007
Sean Kelly wrote:Bill Baxter wrote:Sean Kelly wrote:However, there are some technical and workflow issues to address, at the very least. I suppose we could have hashed out more of the details at the conference, but I feel it would have been inappropriate to monopolize Walter's time in such a manner.
Given that this is the one thing a lot of people were hoping would come out as a result of the conference, I can hardly think of a more constructive use for Walter's conference time. I think it would have been ok for you and the Tango team to monopolize a little more. :-)
Scheduling was a bit tight Thursday and Friday and I really didn't want to feel that we were depriving the other attendees face time with Walter. As it is, our chat kept us away from much of Bartosz's talk, and it's one that I very much wanted to hear in its entirety.From this end, unfortunately the responses are sounding a lot like a nice way of saying "nothing happened and nothing is going to happen any time soon". :-(
We should be able to sort out the rest via email and such. And if that turns out not to be possible, I don't live terribly far from Seattle and wouldn't mind visiting the city again anyway (Kris either, I imagine).
That sounds slightly more encouraging.So please be patient. I have a raft of Tango tickets I'd been ignoring while preparing for the conference as well as a number of personal commitments over the next few weeks, so some delay doesn't mean that no progress is being made or that the merge will never happen. Rather, the bills need to be paid, etc. This is the best I can do at the moment unless someone wants to put me on retainer for writing D code ;-)
Google's hiring! --bb
Aug 27 2007
Bill Baxter wrote:So please be patient. I have a raft of Tango tickets I'd been ignoring while preparing for the conference as well as a number of personal commitments over the next few weeks, so some delay doesn't mean that no progress is being made or that the merge will never happen. Rather, the bills need to be paid, etc. This is the best I can do at the moment unless someone wants to put me on retainer for writing D code ;-)
Google's hiring! --bb
But not for D development... -- Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Aug 28 2007