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digitalmars.D - Remove link from github to phobos mailing list?

reply "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
It seems the phobos forum here: http://forum.dlang.org/group/phobos

Has become little more than a mirror of github activity.

Can github activity be auto-mailed to whoever subscribes? If so, why do we  
need a special mailing list to chronicle github messages?

Similar issues with druntime/dmd-internals. I haven't received a message  
that was simply addressed to that list in a long long time, everything  
seems to be github activity.

-Steve
Mar 11 2014
next sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Personally, I believe that it receiving pull request traffic is a good thing. 
The lack of _other_ 
conversations is mostly a sign of lack of activity from the phobos
contributors.  The amount of 
github generated traffic is pretty low too, so it's not like it's overwhelming
at all.

The same for the other lists.

They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the developers
want?

On 3/11/14, 12:32 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
 It seems the phobos forum here: http://forum.dlang.org/group/phobos

 Has become little more than a mirror of github activity.

 Can github activity be auto-mailed to whoever subscribes? If so, why do we
need a special mailing
 list to chronicle github messages?

 Similar issues with druntime/dmd-internals. I haven't received a message that
was simply addressed
 to that list in a long long time, everything seems to be github activity.

 -Steve

Mar 11 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
On 3/11/14, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the
 developers want?

I'd want the dmd internals NG to be split up: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.109.1392491086.6445.digitalmars-d puremagic.com
Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
On 3/12/14, 12:51 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
 On 3/11/14, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the
 developers want?

I'd want the dmd internals NG to be split up: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.109.1392491086.6445.digitalmars-d puremagic.com

If its what people want, then I'll make the changes (at least on the mailing list and github config side of things, I can't do anything with the news groups or the forum configs). That said, I figured a few stats might be interesting and might help inform the value of the split. Since December 4 (where the log I'm using happens to start), through today, for the Phobos list, here's a break down of the number of days having a given post count (note, 0 post days will be missing from this since there won't have been any log lines to process, someone do the math to fill that line in for us :) # days # posts 18 1 15 2 9 3 14 4 6 5 5 6 6 7 3 8 1 9 3 10 2 11 2 12 1 17 1 19 1 23 1 26 This doesn't split between github vs non-github traffic, it's the two combined. So, the vast majority of days have less than 10 messages. That's such a tiny amount that I'm amazed that anyone is remotely concerned. The dmd-internals list has the same pattern: # days # posts 6 1 9 2 13 3 17 4 8 5 4 6 6 7 5 8 6 9 1 10 5 11 1 12 1 13 1 14 1 15 2 17 1 41
Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org> writes:
On 12 March 2014 08:40, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 On 3/12/14, 12:51 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
 On 3/11/14, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the
 developers want?

I'd want the dmd internals NG to be split up: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.109.1392491086.6445.digitalmars-d puremagic.com

If its what people want, then I'll make the changes (at least on the mailing list and github config side of things, I can't do anything with the news groups or the forum configs). That said, I figured a few stats might be interesting and might help inform the value of the split. Since December 4 (where the log I'm using happens to start), through today, for the Phobos list, here's a break down of the number of days having a given post count (note, 0 post days will be missing from this since there won't have been any log lines to process, someone do the math to fill that line in for us :) # days # posts 18 1 15 2 9 3 14 4 6 5 5 6 6 7 3 8 1 9 3 10 2 11 2 12 1 17 1 19 1 23 1 26 This doesn't split between github vs non-github traffic, it's the two combined. So, the vast majority of days have less than 10 messages. That's such a tiny amount that I'm amazed that anyone is remotely concerned.

From a perspective of someone who interacts with the ML through his

traffic. At least I get messages for things that I should be aware of.
From the perspective of someone who sees the ML as a forum though....

Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:41:53 -0400, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com>  
wrote:

 Personally, I believe that it receiving pull request traffic is a good  
 thing.  The lack of _other_ conversations is mostly a sign of lack of  
 activity from the phobos contributors.  The amount of github generated  
 traffic is pretty low too, so it's not like it's overwhelming at all.

 The same for the other lists.

 They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the  
 developers want?

The list only seems to capture github commits. I get a ton of emails from github regarding discussion on pull requests. I get probably 25-50 emails a day on github discussion. At the very least, the d forum page is quite useless. Every message is from "github" and there is no threading. It would be nice I think for the d forum to just ignore messages from github. -Steve
Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:45:33 -0400, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw gdcproject.org>  
wrote:

 On 12 March 2014 08:40, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 On 3/12/14, 12:51 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
 On 3/11/14, Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> wrote:
 They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the
 developers want?

I'd want the dmd internals NG to be split up: http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.109.1392491086.6445.digitalmars-d puremagic.com

If its what people want, then I'll make the changes (at least on the mailing list and github config side of things, I can't do anything with the news groups or the forum configs). That said, I figured a few stats might be interesting and might help inform the value of the split. Since December 4 (where the log I'm using happens to start), through today, for the Phobos list, here's a break down of the number of days having a given post count (note, 0 post days will be missing from this since there won't have been any log lines to process, someone do the math to fill that line in for us :) # days # posts 18 1 15 2 9 3 14 4 6 5 5 6 6 7 3 8 1 9 3 10 2 11 2 12 1 17 1 19 1 23 1 26 This doesn't split between github vs non-github traffic, it's the two combined. So, the vast majority of days have less than 10 messages. That's such a tiny amount that I'm amazed that anyone is remotely concerned.


There is a threshold for everyone, where messages just get mindlessly deleted. Basically, I don't have time to go through all these messages to see if they are important when most of them aren't, so whenever I see a github commit, I delete it. I realized recently that this is just a task I would like not to have to do. Since December 4th, there have been 12 threads that were not github commits: http://forum.dlang.org/post/531122FE.1020006 digitalmars.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/CACYV=-EFSQ4ujgQiOHf6UotZ7aK_q1yX6iQL--aKNzHjR5E1kQ mail.gmail.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52EB6E6A.4000405 digitalmars.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/1391143889.8220.YahooMailNeo web124902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52DACA0E.802 erdani.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/CAP9J_HXN2MxKEdXmi5FbFNtrXC_msW33GC=10Mx3cF8_RfroEw mail.gmail.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D6F12D.5030803 puremagic.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D70E41.7070400 puremagic.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/EB35FC5F-AB7D-458B-93BA-4179CF9ED32B me.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52AE0576.5070404 puremagic.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/526C95EC.6060605 erdani.com http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D72F0A.4030400 puremagic.com In all, we have 33 posts that were not made by github. Out of 427 that you reported. That's about 94% noise. I'll note that some of these were posted by newbies that used the forum interface and assumed a post to the "phobos" forum would be the best place to ask a question about phobos. They should have been posted to the main group. Having extra groups that seem more focused is sometimes a bad thing.
 From a perspective of someone who interacts with the ML through his

traffic. At least I get messages for things that I should be aware of.
 From the perspective of someone who sees the ML as a forum though....


My main question here was, doesn't github already allow you to subscribe to this? In the beginning, everyone who was interested was already subscribed to the ML, so it made sense to send messages there. When D was developed on dsource and subversion, it was a way to see all the commits. But there was also much more discussion occurring on these groups. Now, it seems most of the development discussion occurs on pull requests. I don't want to eliminate the possibility of seeing all commits, but I would like to not see all commits. Is there a way we can split the discussion from the commits? -Steve
Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "monarch_dodra" <monarchdodra gmail.com> writes:
On Wednesday, 12 March 2014 at 11:53:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer 
wrote:
 My main question here was, doesn't github already allow you to 
 subscribe to this?

Actually, I'm subscribed to that, and I don't receive any of the posts of in the dlang phobos list. I don't see the point of having a forum that simply stores email notifications.
Mar 12 2014
prev sibling next sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:32:13 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer  
<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

 It seems the phobos forum here: http://forum.dlang.org/group/phobos

 Has become little more than a mirror of github activity.

 Can github activity be auto-mailed to whoever subscribes? If so, why do  
 we need a special mailing list to chronicle github messages?

 Similar issues with druntime/dmd-internals. I haven't received a message  
 that was simply addressed to that list in a long long time, everything  
 seems to be github activity.

BTW, for anyone who is interested, I created a mail filter with the following rules, and it has worked since then to remove all the commits from the mailing list feed: Deliver to "Trash" if Sender contains "noreply github.com" Recipient contains "puremagic.com" This captures all commit messages that are sent to a mailing list that are not github discussions on PRs. All normal mailing list traffic sent by a person are properly received. Still doesn't fix the web forum, which I think is completely useless at this point. Maybe the above filter can be employed to ignore the messages for the forum software? Will x-post to enhancement request at dfeed. -Steve
Mar 24 2014
prev sibling parent "Steven Schveighoffer" <schveiguy yahoo.com> writes:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:43:50 -0400, Steven Schveighoffer  
<schveiguy yahoo.com> wrote:

 BTW, for anyone who is interested, I created a mail filter with the  
 following rules, and it has worked since then to remove all the commits  
  from the mailing list feed:

 Deliver to "Trash" if

      Sender contains "noreply github.com"
      Recipient contains "puremagic.com"

This doesn't work any more. Due to the new changes of having mailing list emails always come from puremagic.com. Is there ANY way we can find a solution other than the current one? My mail provider will not filter on the "reply-to" field. I can no longer filter emails based on senders any more. -Steve
Apr 18 2014