• Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> Jun 24 2010

Bane <branimir.milosavljevic gmail.com> writes:

SiegeLord Wrote:

 Justin Johansson Wrote:
 
 Now that Andrei's much anticipated publication of TDPL is out, is it 
 time that D1 should now perish?
 
 My personal feeling is that by cremating D1, time and effort can then be 
 better expended and focused on solidifying D2.
 
 Cheers
 Justin Johansson


 To whose benefit? You are advocating nerfing a good, stable, usable language
that has an excellent (de facto) standard library, excellent compilers (on
Linux, at least), 64 bit support, tons of libraries already written for it etc,
and replacing it with a buggy language, buggy standard library, buggy linker,
no 64 bit support and only a handful of libraries to support developing in it.
 
 How do users benefit from your suggestion? I have scientific computing that
must be done *right now* as well as games I want to develop *right now* and I
don't want suffer the performance losses that come from DMD's substandard
optimizer (at least, relative to LLVM), as well as Phobos 2's abstractions
(although a better compiler might solve those issues) and not using 64 bits. I
just tried installing dmd2 on my 64 bit Linux box, and while it installed, I
couldn't compile "Hello World", since I have no 32 bit versions of 32 bit
pthread libraries installed. I am not going to install 32 bit versions of every
library I use in my C++ development to use them in D2, that is simply
unreasonable: I will use D1 instead.
 
 And I'm not worried about investing into D1 and then have my work be obsolete:
I am fully planning on porting my things to D2 *when* it becomes better than or
even as good as D1 for my purposes. It's easy to do... just don't use too many
deprecated features.
 
 D2 will only become the dominant version if it is actively better than D1, not
by making D1 "disappear." Users are not going to encounter those issues and
start spending their "time and effort" improving the standard library and
compiler tools, it isn't worth their time: they will go use a different
language instead. For D2's future's sake, that different language should be D1.
 


Excellent points. I do believe, at the moment,  D1 is used for real work, not
D2. So idea of shooting D1 so half finished D2 could 'gain momentum' is idiotic
one.