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digitalmars.D - Re: Humble request Walter: Could you _please_ fix phobos already?

reply acarion <thrust trust.com> writes:
downs Wrote:

 I don't like Tango. Going by looks and usability alone, I'd far prefer to use
Phobos. However, 
 sometimes I run into trouble with Phobos, like sockets being broken in
interesting ways, the 
 connect function not being synchronized, lack of templates in std.string ..
I'm sure many of you 
 have had similar experiences.
 Those are not unbelievably complex and hard issues (like, for example, Macros)
but mostly rather 
 trivial things that could be fixed with a few lines of code.
 So I really have to ask - why are these issues not being fixed? Why is it that
in a post-1.0 
 project, which should be largely bug-free and feature complete, I still have
to debug the _standard 
 library_?
 When writing code, there are a few basic assumptions that you have to make for
the sake of 
 efficiency, like what your tools are telling you is correct. That the standard
library works as 
 advertised is one of those assumptions. Why is it, that in a post-1.0 project,
important parts of 
 the GC, like generationalCollect, even though they are explicitly mentioned in
the documentation, 
 remain unimplemented?
 I really like D, and I also like Phobos. I think it would be sad if people who
don't even 
 particularly _like_ Tango would be pushed towards using it by problems that
could have been solved.
   --downs
 
 PS: In a similar vein, some people have observed that longstanding bugs seem
to be getting less 
 attention these days. Perhaps it would be .. wise, before going off and adding
new features which 
 in turn introduce new bugs, to fix the old ones first?

Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla. Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely ignored. Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I think) that I posted and went unheard too.
Jul 18 2007
parent reply "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"acarion" <thrust trust.com> wrote in message 
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 Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla.
 Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely ignored. 
 Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I think) that I 
 posted and went unheard too.

Most phobos patches and submissions are ignored.
Jul 18 2007
parent reply Brad Roberts <braddr puremagic.com> writes:
Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 "acarion" <thrust trust.com> wrote in message 
 news:f7m8ui$dfk$1 digitalmars.com...
 Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla.
 Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely ignored. 
 Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I think) that I 
 posted and went unheard too.

Most phobos patches and submissions are ignored.

Guys, please don't equate 'not responded to' or 'not yet fixed' with 'ignored'. It's a fallacy. Later, Brad
Jul 18 2007
next sibling parent "Jarrett Billingsley" <kb3ctd2 yahoo.com> writes:
"Brad Roberts" <braddr puremagic.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.64.1184806108.16939.digitalmars-d puremagic.com...
 Guys, please don't equate 'not responded to' or 'not yet fixed' with 
 'ignored'.  It's a fallacy.

Then maybe there needs to be a bugzilla issue status along the lines of "understood, but won't/can't get to it right away." Lack of official response to me reads as "as good as ignored," especially when there are issues with DMD and phobos which have been sitting in bugzilla, unresolved, some with patches, for over a year.
Jul 18 2007
prev sibling next sibling parent Bill Baxter <dnewsgroup billbaxter.com> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:
 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 "acarion" <thrust trust.com> wrote in message 
 news:f7m8ui$dfk$1 digitalmars.com...
 Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla.
 Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely 
 ignored. Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I 
 think) that I posted and went unheard too.

Most phobos patches and submissions are ignored.

Guys, please don't equate 'not responded to' or 'not yet fixed' with 'ignored'. It's a fallacy.

Ok ... Most phobos patches and submissions are examined with a fine-toothed comb and then anguished over in perpetuity by Walter. I don't think it matters much to the submitter whether it was "ignored" or "read and examined carefully without any follow-up action". The two look indistinguishable to the submitter. --bb
Jul 18 2007
prev sibling parent reply Gregor Richards <Richards codu.org> writes:
Brad Roberts wrote:
 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 "acarion" <thrust trust.com> wrote in message 
 news:f7m8ui$dfk$1 digitalmars.com...
 Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla.
 Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely 
 ignored. Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I 
 think) that I posted and went unheard too.

Most phobos patches and submissions are ignored.

Guys, please don't equate 'not responded to' or 'not yet fixed' with 'ignored'. It's a fallacy. Later, Brad

I wuv the halting problem. - Gregor Richards
Jul 19 2007
parent Bruno Medeiros <brunodomedeiros+spam com.gmail> writes:
Gregor Richards wrote:
 Brad Roberts wrote:
 Jarrett Billingsley wrote:
 "acarion" <thrust trust.com> wrote in message 
 news:f7m8ui$dfk$1 digitalmars.com...
 Then make a patch and upload to bugzilla.
 Altough I have already done that, and the patch went completely 
 ignored. Also, I found critical bug in the GC (back on DMD1.10, I 
 think) that I posted and went unheard too.

Most phobos patches and submissions are ignored.

Guys, please don't equate 'not responded to' or 'not yet fixed' with 'ignored'. It's a fallacy. Later, Brad

I wuv the halting problem. - Gregor Richards

LOOOOOOOOOOOL, well said :P -- Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student http://www.prowiki.org/wiki4d/wiki.cgi?BrunoMedeiros#D
Jul 22 2007