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digitalmars.D - Proposal: digitalmars.D.tango newsgroup

reply Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:
I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
frail medium of communication. 

Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
contributors, critics, etc.).

I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
communication. 

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards,
Alex

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Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>
Nov 19 2007
next sibling parent reply Alix Pexton <_a_l_i_x_._p_e_x_t_o_n_ _g_m_a_i_l_._c_o_m_> writes:
Alexander Panek wrote:
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication. 
 
 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
 Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).
 
 I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
 use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
 communication. 
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 Kind regards,
 Alex
 

I don't think a new NG is the answer, there is already plenty of space for contacting the Tango team and adding another specifically for them will not necessarily change the tone of the debate. After communicating with Tango devs on IRC, one of thier preffered formats, it seems to me that the NG format is for some of them the problem. A...
Nov 19 2007
parent BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:
Reply to Alix,

 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication.
 
 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum
 for Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).
 
 I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
 use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
 communication.
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 Kind regards,
 Alex

for contacting the Tango team and adding another specifically for them will not necessarily change the tone of the debate. After communicating with Tango devs on IRC, one of thier preffered formats, it seems to me that the NG format is for some of them the problem. A...

I use IRC when the NG is down I use forum when I have no other choice (e.i. almost never) NG's have a distinct advantage of archiving the discussion in a structured way. They also are handy in that they allow you to read stuff offline. The only advantage I see to IRC is that it is real time, and to forums is that all you need is a browser. Nether of these holds much weight with me and I rather suspect I'm not alone.
Nov 19 2007
prev sibling parent reply "David Wilson" <dw botanicus.net> writes:
On 11/19/07, Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> wrote:
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication.

 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
 Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).

Something similar was recently discussed in Linux land, where some kernel hackers were complaining because the existence of multiple lists divides peoples' attention and ultimately results in patches getting dropped or important conversations being missed. - http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/258550/6950d776964265cb/ (search for "the use of mailing lists") Another example from Linux land was the fact that Con Kolivas' recent scheduler patch was ultimately dropped, with some in the kernel camp claiming this was partially due to development taking place on a separate list, and that user reports of good performance from the patch not being seen (they were going to the separate list). - http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas Creating another list may also foster more of an "us and them" mentality, with the "us" being Tango, and "them" being the D community, which for our size, would really be a shameful thing. I'm personally of the "search, don't sort" mentality and would see further newsgroups/lists as more administrative hassle, as I suspect most people who'd subscribe to the new list would also (Tango lovers are also D lovers, but the converse isn't true). Certainly, without filtering I would have unsubscribed from here several weeks ago. :) In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a web interface. Mail/news only please. :D David.
 Thank you in advance.

 Kind regards,
 Alex

 --
 Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>

Nov 19 2007
parent Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:
David Wilson wrote:
 Creating another list may also foster more of an "us and them"
 mentality, with the "us" being Tango, and "them" being the D
 community, which for our size, would really be a shameful thing.

I think this is a VERY valid point. Right now, the active D newsgroups (this one, announce, and learn) are frequented by all the members of the D community. I think any fragmentation is a bad thing at this point (there's already enough animosity between the Tango devotees and the Tango naysayers).
Nov 19 2007