• Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> Nov 19 2007
• Alix Pexton <_a_l_i_x_._p_e_x_t_o_n_ _g_m_a_i_l_._c_o_m_> Nov 19 2007
• BCS <ao pathlink.com> Nov 19 2007
• "David Wilson" <dw botanicus.net> Nov 19 2007
• Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> Nov 19 2007

Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> writes:

I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
frail medium of communication. 

Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
contributors, critics, etc.).

I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
communication. 

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards,
Alex

-- 
Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>

Alix Pexton <_a_l_i_x_._p_e_x_t_o_n_ _g_m_a_i_l_._c_o_m_> writes:

Alexander Panek wrote:
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication. 
 
 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
 Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).
 
 I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
 use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
 communication. 
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 Kind regards,
 Alex
 


I don't think a new NG is the answer, there is already plenty of space for
contacting the Tango team and adding another specifically for them will not
necessarily change the tone of the debate.

After communicating with Tango devs on IRC, one of thier preffered formats, it
seems to me that the NG format is for some of them the problem.

A...

BCS <ao pathlink.com> writes:

Reply to Alix,

 Alexander Panek wrote:
 
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication.
 
 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum
 for Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).
 
 I would appreciate any comments regarding a new forum - please don't
 use this thread to reply to, or cite, previous postings about Tango's
 communication.
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
 Kind regards,
 Alex


 for contacting the Tango team and adding another specifically for them
 will not necessarily change the tone of the debate.
 
 After communicating with Tango devs on IRC, one of thier preffered
 formats, it seems to me that the NG format is for some of them the
 problem.
 
 A...
 


I use IRC when the NG is down
I use forum when I have no other choice (e.i. almost never)

NG's have a distinct advantage of archiving the discussion in a structured 
way. They also are handy in that they allow you to read stuff offline.

The only advantage I see to IRC is that it is real time, and to forums is 
that all you need is a browser. Nether of these holds much weight with me 
and I rather suspect I'm not alone.

"David Wilson" <dw botanicus.net> writes:

On 11/19/07, Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org> wrote:
 I'm not sure whether I proposed this before, but I do see a necessity
 for this. Even though there are forums and the ticketing system on
 dsource, the main discussions are going on on IRC, which is a fairly
 frail medium of communication.


 Given the latest discussions, rants and whatnot, a dedicated forum for
 Tango users and contributors within the context of D's official
 website, as well as its main medium of discussion - evidently the
 newsgroups -, would provide a possibility of better communication
 between rest-of-the-world and Tango (as in: the entirety of users,
 contributors, critics, etc.).



Something similar was recently discussed in Linux land, where some
kernel hackers were complaining because the existence of multiple
lists divides peoples' attention and ultimately results in patches
getting dropped or important conversations being missed.

 - http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/258550/6950d776964265cb/
   (search for "the use of mailing lists")

Another example from Linux land was the fact that Con Kolivas' recent
scheduler patch was ultimately dropped, with some in the kernel camp
claiming this was partially due to development taking place on a
separate list, and that user reports of good performance from the
patch not being seen (they were going to the separate list).

 - http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas

Creating another list may also foster more of an "us and them"
mentality, with the "us" being Tango, and "them" being the D
community, which for our size, would really be a shameful thing.

I'm personally of the "search, don't sort" mentality and would see
further newsgroups/lists as more administrative hassle, as I suspect
most people who'd subscribe to the new list would also (Tango lovers
are also D lovers, but the converse isn't true).

Certainly, without filtering I would have unsubscribed from here
several weeks ago. :)

In any case I'm happy as long as whatever you choose doesn't involve a
web interface. Mail/news only please. :D


David.

 Thank you in advance.

 Kind regards,
 Alex

 --
 Alexander Panek <alexander.panek brainsware.org>

Robert Fraser <fraserofthenight gmail.com> writes:

David Wilson wrote:
 Creating another list may also foster more of an "us and them"
 mentality, with the "us" being Tango, and "them" being the D
 community, which for our size, would really be a shameful thing.


I think this is a VERY valid point. Right now, the active D newsgroups 
(this one, announce, and learn) are frequented by all the members of the 
D community. I think any fragmentation is a bad thing at this point 
(there's already enough animosity between the Tango devotees and the 
Tango naysayers).