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reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
Please give the design one more round of comments.

Thanks,

Andrei
Sep 02 2010
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.
Sep 02 2010
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message 
news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

I do have to say, I'm not a fan of justified text. I think it makes spacing look really weird, inconsistent and distracting. But it's not too bad in this case, so I can certainly live with it.
Sep 02 2010
parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 09/02/2010 02:50 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Nick Sabalausky"<a a.a>  wrote in message
 news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

I do have to say, I'm not a fan of justified text. I think it makes spacing look really weird, inconsistent and distracting. But it's not too bad in this case, so I can certainly live with it.

My website (www.erdani.com) uses an automatic hyphenator written in Javascript by Mathias Nater. Hyphenation improves the looks of justified text a lot. Walter wasn't keen about adding the hyphenator because it causes a flicker after loading. Andrei
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply Jacob Carlborg <doob me.com> writes:
On 2010-09-02 09:48, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org>  wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

I would agree with that and would like to add: * I don't like most of the graphics, the images, like these: * http://d-programming-language.org/images/c1.gif * http://d-programming-language.org/images/d3.gif * the others with similar style found at: http://d-programming-language.org/images/ * Maybe try an other style for the links * The table at: http://d-programming-language.org/comparison.html just looks awful. It's mostly the border and the link style doesn't work on that lime green background color and not on the red background either. * BTW I would update all the tables to use a solid border instead of the current one. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Sep 02 2010
parent reply Gareth Charnock <gareth.charnock gmail.com> writes:
On 02/09/10 09:46, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
 On 2010-09-02 09:48, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
 "Andrei Alexandrescu"<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

I would agree with that and would like to add: * I don't like most of the graphics, the images, like these: * http://d-programming-language.org/images/c1.gif * http://d-programming-language.org/images/d3.gif * the others with similar style found at: http://d-programming-language.org/images/ * Maybe try an other style for the links * The table at: http://d-programming-language.org/comparison.html just looks awful. It's mostly the border and the link style doesn't work on that lime green background color and not on the red background either. * BTW I would update all the tables to use a solid border instead of the current one.

visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander. However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images. They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.
Sep 02 2010
parent reply Gareth Charnock <gareth.charnock gmail.com> writes:
PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.
 I'm afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more
 visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.

 However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.
 They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.

Sep 02 2010
parent reply Thomas Mader <thomas.mader gmail.com> writes:
Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:
 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:03 +0100, Gareth Charnock wrote:

 PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.
 I'm afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more
 visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.

 However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.
 They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.


We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!

How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern looking design? I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.
Dec 31 2010
next sibling parent reply Matthias Pleh <matthias net.at> writes:
On 2010-12-31 10:45, Thomas Mader wrote:

[...]

 How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a
 contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern
 looking design?

vote ++
 I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so
 are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

I think a better marketing of the D community would not only attract more developers but also web-designer, maintainer, packager, content-writer, ... BTW:
 Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:
 We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!


... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but obviousily it get not adopted :/ http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html
Dec 31 2010
next sibling parent reply Thomas Mader <thomas.mader gmail.com> writes:
Am 2010-12-31 11:35, schrieb Matthias Pleh:
 On 2010-12-31 10:45, Thomas Mader wrote:
 I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so
 are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

I think a better marketing of the D community would not only attract more developers but also web-designer, maintainer, packager, content-writer, ...

With valid i mean html/css validation.
Dec 31 2010
parent Matthias Pleh <matthias net.at> writes:
On 2010-12-31 11:40, Thomas Mader wrote:
 Am 2010-12-31 11:35, schrieb Matthias Pleh:
 On 2010-12-31 10:45, Thomas Mader wrote:
 I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so
 are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

I think a better marketing of the D community would not only attract more developers but also web-designer, maintainer, packager, content-writer, ...

With valid i mean html/css validation.

Yea, I know. But a good working website is an important part of a good marketing.
Dec 31 2010
prev sibling parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/31/10 4:35 AM, Matthias Pleh wrote:
 On 2010-12-31 10:45, Thomas Mader wrote:

 [...]

 How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a
 contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern
 looking design?

vote ++
 I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so
 are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

I think a better marketing of the D community would not only attract more developers but also web-designer, maintainer, packager, content-writer, ... BTW: > Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard: >> We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then! ... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but obviousily it get not adopted :/ http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html

Looks good. May I use it on d-programming-language.org? Andrei
Dec 31 2010
next sibling parent reply Matthias Pleh <matthias net.at> writes:
 BTW:
 Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:
 We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!


... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but obviousily it get not adopted :/ http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html

Looks good. May I use it on d-programming-language.org? Andrei

This should be answered by Marcel Martin. (I will send a copy of this email to the email-address on the website) I've found this image through this website: http://dlogo.chinese-blog.org/ greets Matthias
Dec 31 2010
next sibling parent Marcel Martin <mmar freenet.de> writes:
Matthias Pleh wrote:
 ... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but
 obviousily it get not adopted :/
 http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html

Looks good. May I use it on d-programming-language.org?

This should be answered by Marcel Martin. (I will send a copy of this email to the email-address on the website)

Hi, great to hear someone is looking at that page :-) Yes, I agree to that use (and actually all other uses). I have clarified that on on the web page. Marcel
Jan 02 2011
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/31/10 1:51 PM, Matthias Pleh wrote:
 BTW:
 Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:
 We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!


... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but obviousily it get not adopted :/ http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html

Looks good. May I use it on d-programming-language.org? Andrei

This should be answered by Marcel Martin. (I will send a copy of this email to the email-address on the website) I've found this image through this website: http://dlogo.chinese-blog.org/ greets Matthias

For now I snatched it for TDPL's errata page: http://erdani.com/tdpl/errata/ Andrei
Jan 03 2011
prev sibling parent Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw ubuntu.com> writes:
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org)'s article
 On 12/31/10 4:35 AM, Matthias Pleh wrote:
 On 2010-12-31 10:45, Thomas Mader wrote:

 [...]

 How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a
 contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern
 looking design?

vote ++
 I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so
 are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

I think a better marketing of the D community would not only attract more developers but also web-designer, maintainer, packager, content-writer, ... BTW: > Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard: >> We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then! ... there is already a SVG logo for the D-man since 5 years, but obviousily it get not adopted :/ http://w148.de/~mmartin/d/logo.html

Andrei

I could have a crack at cleanly redesigning C-man and the C++-anchor using my n&#822;o&#822;n&#822;-&#822;e&#822;x&#822;i&#822;s&#822;t&#822;e #822;n&#822;t&#822; Inkscape skills, if I get a moment or two of spare time. ;) Iain
Jan 01 2011
prev sibling parent Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 12/31/10 3:45 AM, Thomas Mader wrote:
 Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:
 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:03 +0100, Gareth Charnock wrote:

 PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.
 I'm afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more
 visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.

 However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.
 They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.


We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!

How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern looking design? I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

That would be great, please do. I'm the responsible for d-programming-language.org. Andrei
Dec 31 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:
Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:03 +0100, Gareth Charnock wrote:

 PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.
 I'm afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more
 visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.

 However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.
 They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.


We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message 
news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

One other nagging little issue: There's a little bit too much space between the lines of text within a paragraph. It'd be easier to read if that was tightned up a little.
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message 
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 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message 
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

Another thing: At the bottom of the left-nav column it says "Translate this page:", but then there's nothing there. Kinda weird.
Sep 02 2010
parent reply Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2010-09-02 15:10:52 -0400, "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> said:

 "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message
 news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.
 

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

Another thing: At the bottom of the left-nav column it says "Translate this page:", but then there's nothing there. Kinda weird.

That's because you have Javascript disabled. -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/
Sep 02 2010
next sibling parent reply "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:
"Michel Fortin" <michel.fortin michelf.com> wrote in message 
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 On 2010-09-02 15:10:52 -0400, "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> said:

 "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message
 news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

Another thing: At the bottom of the left-nav column it says "Translate this page:", but then there's nothing there. Kinda weird.

That's because you have Javascript disabled.

Ok, that at least explains it. However: If that translate tool only works with JS on, then the "Translate this page:" text should only be inserted into the page via JS, not baked into the raw HTML.
Sep 02 2010
parent Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2010-09-02 19:24:41 -0400, "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> said:

 "Michel Fortin" <michel.fortin michelf.com> wrote in message
 news:i5pa3l$3189$1 digitalmars.com...
 On 2010-09-02 15:10:52 -0400, "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> said:
 
 Another thing: At the bottom of the left-nav column it says "Translate
 this
 page:", but then there's nothing there. Kinda weird.

That's because you have Javascript disabled.

Ok, that at least explains it. However: If that translate tool only works with JS on, then the "Translate this page:" text should only be inserted into the page via JS, not baked into the raw HTML.

Very true. A small <script>document.write("<p>Translate this page:</p>")</script> should do the trick. -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 02/09/2010 23:56, Michel Fortin wrote:
 On 2010-09-02 15:10:52 -0400, "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> said:

 "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> wrote in message
 news:i5nkrn$1tf2$1 digitalmars.com...
 "Andrei Alexandrescu" <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote in message
 news:i5ni8j$1nk4$1 digitalmars.com...
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

I think I would try just getting rid of the red flare in the background, and maybe just make a slightly reddish solid background color. It was a neat idea, but I think getting it to really look right would be a bit difficult. Everything else seems to look fine though from a quick look-though. Main font size is perfect.

Another thing: At the bottom of the left-nav column it says "Translate this page:", but then there's nothing there. Kinda weird.

That's because you have Javascript disabled.

It isn't. I have it enabled, and I'm getting the same. And the page is throwing errors. As reported by FF 3.6.8: Warning: Expected declaration but found '*'. Skipped to next declaration. Source File: http://translate.googleapis.com/translate_static/css/translateelement.css Line: 2 Warning: Error in parsing value for 'display'. Declaration dropped. Source File: http://translate.googleapis.com/translate_static/css/translateelement.css Line: 2 Security Error: Content at http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/ may not load data from http://d-programming-language.org/wc.html. Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "'[JavaScript Error: "b.value is null" {file: "chrome://google-toolbar-lib/content/toolbar.js" line: 2515}]' when calling method: [nsIFactory::createInstance]" nsresult: "0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://google-toolbar/content/gtb.js :: anonymous :: line 81" data: yes] Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "'[JavaScript Error: "b.value is null" {file: "chrome://google-toolbar-lib/content/toolbar.js" line: 2515}]' when calling method: [nsIFactory::createInstance]" nsresult: "0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)" location: "JS frame :: http://translate.googleapis.com/translate_static/js/element/main.js :: Vi :: line 184" data: yes] Stewart.
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling parent Caligo <iteronvexor gmail.com> writes:
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The main page has a quote from Michael.  Who the hell is Michael? The
Michael? The archangel?

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Thomas Mader <thomas.mader gmail.com>wrote:

 Am 2010-09-02 14:46, schrieb retard:

 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:03 +0100, Gareth Charnock wrote:

  PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.
 I'm afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more
 visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.

 However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.
 They don't really fit with the more professional looking new design.



How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a contest or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern looking design? I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so are there any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.

--001636ef0469ec30250498b1de4c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The main page has a quote from Michael.=A0 Who the hell is Michael? The Mic= hael? The archangel?<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 31, 2010= at 3:45 AM, Thomas Mader <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.ma= der gmail.com">thomas.mader gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Am 2010-09-02 14:= 46, schrieb retard:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Thu, 02 Sep 2010 13:31:03 +0100, Gareth Charnock wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> PS: Google Chrome on a 1680x1050 resolution display.<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> I&#39;m afraid I really like the red flare; it makes the website look more<= br> visually appealing. A solid background colour would just look blander.<br> <br> However, I agree with the comments about the c1.gif and d3.gif images.<br> They don&#39;t really fit with the more professional looking new design.<br=

<br> We need a more professional looking SVG version of the D man then!<br> </blockquote> <br> How about a new logo for D in general? Are there any plans to make a contes= t or something similar to create a new D logo which has a modern looking de= sign?<br> <br> I also think that making the site valid is a very important thing, so are t= here any plans to do so? If nobody wants it to do I could help.<br> </blockquote></div><br> --001636ef0469ec30250498b1de4c--
Dec 31 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Jonathan M Davis <jmdavisprog gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday 02 September 2010 00:03:33 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei

Overall, it looks good, though I have to agree with Nick that the flare should go. Also, the font seems a bit large to me. The code font in particular is _way_ large. But maybe I just prefer smaller fonts. - Jonathan M Davis
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Arth Lloyd Flores <floresarthlloyd gmail.com> writes:
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It looks neat :D Much better than the old one IMHO..

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <
SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

-- -Arth --0016364276856ee4c0048f43ea2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks neat :D Much better than the old one IMHO..<br><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote">On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu <span dir= =3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org">SeeWebsiteFor= Email erdani.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Time to zero in on the overall design and s= tart working on the content. Please give the design one more round of comme= nts.<br> <br> Thanks,<br><font color=3D"#888888"> <br> Andrei<br> </font></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>-Arth<br> --0016364276856ee4c0048f43ea2b--
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply bearophile <bearophileHUGS lycos.com> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

My opinions: - The menu on the left is too much wide horizontally - I don't like the "window" that limits the text of the right, and I don't like its border A small accessibility test: http://i52.tinypic.com/2jetpqg.jpg Bye, bearophile
Sep 02 2010
parent retard <re tard.com.invalid> writes:
Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:36:43 -0400, bearophile wrote:

 Andrei Alexandrescu:
 
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

My opinions: - The menu on the left is too much wide horizontally - I don't like the "window" that limits the text of the right, and I don't like its border A small accessibility test: http://i52.tinypic.com/2jetpqg.jpg Bye, bearophile

The words per row count is also a bit too high on a 2560x1600 screen.. I thought there are also Mac users in the crowd.
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Michal Minich <michal.minich gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:03:33 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei

Few opinions and observations: 1. It is common practice that clicking on site logo links to site root. In this case it goes to digitalmars.com. This should be fixed and separate link to digitalmars.com should be provided in header 2. Flare is good, without it the design would look boring. 3. Many headers have smaller font than the normal text font. Look for instance at the overview page (chromium / linux). 4. I like the size of the basic text and code font. - chromium / linux But I would preffer the code font to be slight larger than text font (now is the slightly smaller) - the browser uses curier new or similar for code - firefox / linux text and code font seems to be the same size. - the browser uses Monospace font for code 5. The page reacts very well to zooming in and out in browser, which is a very good thing
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent filgood <filip wuytack.net> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Andrei

Hi, I think fonts are slightly too big and the text maybe spaced too much. Also, I don't feel you should place the google translate tool on the website as people that need to translate the content can go to google and type the link and get it translated in that way. Overall the website is ok, but IMHO i think better/cleaner example for a programming language website is this one: http://fantom.org/ ~ fil
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply "Alexander Malakhov" <anm programmer.net> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> =D0=C9=D3=C1=CC(=C1)=
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=D0=C9=D3=D8=CD=C5 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:03:33 +0700:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content=

 Please give the design one more round of comments.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

1. There should be "Contibute" section on the site with subsections = {Compiler, Phobos, Documentation, This site} 2. On overview page: - Absence of C++ code highlighting looks like cheating from = brainwash TV ads - (not sure) maybe functional langs and FP style also should be = mentioned ? 3. D-lang.org is faster to type and memorize (especially for non-native = = speakers). Is it owned by someone from D community ? We should make it to forward to main s= ite = (the same for dlang.org) 4. Agree with Jonathan, code font seems (can I say so) a little too big 5. I would like to be able to view contents of categories like "Language= = Reference" without opening first (maybe like "+" on the MSDN site) 6. Why do we need "Digital Mars" to be mentioned ? I think it can mislea= d = people to conclusion, that D is owned by some corporation. 7. "Documentation"->"Library Reference" link is broken P.S. I like red flare :) -- = Alexander
Sep 02 2010
parent HST <H.Stelling gmx.de> writes:
Am 02.09.2010 15:34, schrieb Alexander Malakhov:

 7. "Documentation"->"Library Reference" link is broken

It would be nice to include the print.css stylesheet into the phobos docs (for D1 and D2 on digitalmars.com as well) to get rid of the menu margins.
Sep 04 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Andrej Mitrovic <andrej.mitrovich gmail.com> writes:
Is this site going to replace the D2 pages on digitalmars.com? E.g.:
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/2.0/index.html

In any case, I'm fine with the design.. well except that red flare
which I'll never understand. Luckily I can just adblock an image and
the site looks nice then. :p

But we might as well fix up the language documentation while we're at
it. I've reported everything erroneous I've found in the language spec
and there's a list of the links to the bug reports here:

http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4777#c1

Some of these are probably a mistake in my interpretation, of course.
I did provide some necessary steps to fix many of these issues. Steven
Schveighoffer was kind enough to fix the arrays page, but there are
many more left.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent reply klickverbot <see klickverbot.at> writes:
On http://d-programming-language.org/memory-safe-d.html, the menu 
sidebar (which is a bit on the long side for the language reference in 
my mind) extends below the footer, which looks awkward.

Also, I personally think that the logo header in its current state is 
plain ugly – maybe making the font larger and putting the DigitalMars 
logo to the right side of it would be an idea?
Sep 02 2010
next sibling parent reply Kevin Watters <kevin.watters gmail.com> writes:
I definitely agree--the Digital Mars logo shouldn't be so prominent. 
Also that clicking it takes you to digitalmars.com is weird--a user will 
definitely expect to be taken back to / instead.

As for thoughts on a logo itself, just something simple with a unique 
font like the one at http://python.org/ would be fine.

klickverbot wrote:
 On http://d-programming-language.org/memory-safe-d.html, the menu 
 sidebar (which is a bit on the long side for the language reference in 
 my mind) extends below the footer, which looks awkward.
 
 Also, I personally think that the logo header in its current state is 
 plain ugly – maybe making the font larger and putting the DigitalMars 
 logo to the right side of it would be an idea?

Sep 02 2010
parent reply Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:
On 9/2/10 21:58 CDT, Boris Wang wrote:
 I think AA just laid emphasis on the proprietor of d language

I didn't participate to the creation of the content or layout. Andrei
Sep 03 2010
parent reply David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com> writes:
On 9/3/10 10:43 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 On 9/2/10 21:58 CDT, Boris Wang wrote:
 I think AA just laid emphasis on the proprietor of d language

I didn't participate to the creation of the content or layout. Andrei

Yup, I'm the guy responsible for the new design (like it or hate it), and I tried to avoid changing any content. I kept the DM logo because the original site has it. I'm fine with trying designs that emphasize D and de-emphasize Digital Mars, but I would want Walter's go-ahead first.
Sep 03 2010
parent reply David Gileadi <gileadis NSPMgmail.com> writes:
On 9/3/10 1:31 PM, Adam B wrote:
 How is the website programmed?  If done properly the page content is
 independent of the style.  Use page templates and CSS stylesheets so
 that you have a single point of change for the entire website.  Stay
 away from static HTML files.  Use PHP, JSP, Freemarker or something similar.

Sorry, I think it's going to stay static HTML: the website is generated using DDoc macros and I believe Walter is unlikely to want to go in any other direction.
 Using stylesheets can allow your users to view the site however is most
 pleasing to them.  For example.  Go to this page:
 http://www.thesitewizard.com/css/switch-alternate-css-styles.shtml
   and then in FireFox select: View-> Page Style and switch between the
 two provided styles.  Neato!

 If you want my opinion on the visual style I'd say it's a huge
 improvement over the digital mars site.  The flare gives it a
 sophisticated feel.  However, please don't let trivial matters like the
 "look" of the site slow us down from getting accurate and useful
 information out to the world.  If you have a single point of change the
 look can be tweaked as time goes on.

I haven't been changing the content--indeed I have purposely stayed away from doing so. I believe that the desired direction is to get a good look and feel working independently of the content, and the content can be modified independently of my changes. I do have some thoughts on what kind of content changes I'd like to see, though.
 In terms of layout I agree with filgood that a site like
 http://fantom.org/ is a better model.  It has the most important links
 in BIG colorful text on the home page:
    1) What is D?
    2) What does it look like?
    3) How do I download it?

 With a site like fantom.org <http://fantom.org> you can tell that
 somebody sat down and though out: What's really important to my users?
 What are the primary use-cases of my visitors?

 My 2cents.  I'd be glad to help if you need it.
 - Adam

If you or anyone else is interested in hacking at my look and feel please let me know and I can send you a .zip of the DDoc source code with my changes. If you want to hack at the original DDoc files without my changes they're in the Phobos repository at http://www.dsource.org/projects/phobos/browser/trunk/docsrc
Sep 03 2010
parent Walter Bright <newshound2 digitalmars.com> writes:
David Gileadi wrote:
 Sorry, I think it's going to stay static HTML: the website is generated 
 using DDoc macros and I believe Walter is unlikely to want to go in any 
 other direction.

Yes, because static HTML makes the pages load fast. There are a lot of web sites out there with dynamic content that are just pig slow, it really detracts from exploring the site. Slashdot and Digg are prime failures in this regard.
 I haven't been changing the content--indeed I have purposely stayed away 
 from doing so.  I believe that the desired direction is to get a good 
 look and feel working independently of the content, and the content can 
 be modified independently of my changes.

Right!
Sep 05 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Boris Wang <kona.ming gmail.com> writes:
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I think AA just laid emphasis on the proprietor of d language



2010/9/3 Kevin Watters <kevin.watters gmail.com>

 I definitely agree--the Digital Mars logo shouldn't be so prominent. Also
 that clicking it takes you to digitalmars.com is weird--a user will
 definitely expect to be taken back to / instead.

 As for thoughts on a logo itself, just something simple with a unique fon=

 like the one at http://python.org/ would be fine.


 klickverbot wrote:

 On http://d-programming-language.org/memory-safe-d.html, the menu sideba=


 (which is a bit on the long side for the language reference in my mind)
 extends below the footer, which looks awkward.

 Also, I personally think that the logo header in its current state is
 plain ugly =E2=80=93 maybe making the font larger and putting the Digita=


 to the right side of it would be an idea?


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Sep 02 2010
prev sibling parent Adam B <cruxic gmail.com> writes:
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How is the website programmed?  If done properly the page content is
independent of the style.  Use page templates and CSS stylesheets so that
you have a single point of change for the entire website.  Stay away from
static HTML files.  Use PHP, JSP, Freemarker or something similar.

Using stylesheets can allow your users to view the site however is most
pleasing to them.  For example.  Go to this page:
    http://www.thesitewizard.com/css/switch-alternate-css-styles.shtml
 and then in FireFox select: View-> Page Style and switch between the two
provided styles.  Neato!

If you want my opinion on the visual style I'd say it's a huge improvement
over the digital mars site.  The flare gives it a sophisticated feel.
However, please don't let trivial matters like the "look" of the site slow
us down from getting accurate and useful information out to the world.  If
you have a single point of change the look can be tweaked as time goes on.

In terms of layout I agree with filgood that a site like
http://fantom.org/is a better model.  It has the most important links
in BIG colorful text on
the home page:
  1) What is D?
  2) What does it look like?
  3) How do I download it?

With a site like fantom.org you can tell that somebody sat down and though
out: What's really important to my users?  What are the primary use-cases of
my visitors?

My 2cents.  I'd be glad to help if you need it.
- Adam

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 from static HTML files.=A0 Use PHP, JSP, Freemarker or something similar.<=
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ost pleasing to them.=A0 For example.=A0 Go to this page:<br>
=A0=A0=A0 <a href=3D"http://www.thesitewizard.com/css/switch-alternate-css-=
styles.shtml">http://www.thesitewizard.com/css/switch-alternate-css-styles.=
shtml</a><br>=A0and then in FireFox select: View-&gt; Page Style and switch=
 between the two provided styles.=A0 Neato!<br>
<br>If you want my opinion on the visual style I&#39;d say it&#39;s a huge =
improvement over the digital mars site.=A0 The flare gives it a sophisticat=
ed feel.=A0 However, please don&#39;t let trivial matters like the &quot;lo=
ok&quot; of the site slow us down from getting accurate and useful informat=
ion out to the world.=A0 If you have a single point of change the look can =
be tweaked as time goes on.<br>
<br>In terms of layout I agree with filgood that a site like <a href=3D"htt=
p://fantom.org/">http://fantom.org/</a> is a better model.=A0 It has the mo=
st important links in BIG colorful text on the home page:<br>=A0 1) What is=
 D?<br>
=A0 2) What does it look like?<br>=A0 3) How do I download it?<br><br>With =
a site like <a href=3D"http://fantom.org">fantom.org</a> you can tell that =
somebody sat down and though out: What&#39;s really important to my users?=
=A0 What are the primary use-cases of my visitors?<br>
<br>My 2cents.=A0 I&#39;d be glad to help if you need it.<br>- Adam<br><br>=
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Sep 03 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Kagamin <spam here.lot> writes:
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

Doesn't scale well when I increase font size.
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Michel Fortin <michel.fortin michelf.com> writes:
On 2010-09-02 03:03:33 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu 
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> said:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content. 
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

Andrei, if your system language (or browser language) is set to something other than English, there's a big blue bar at the top that appears about 1 second after loading the page offering your a translation. It's quite annoying... it really needs to go. There's already a translate widget in the left menu so so the top bar is certainly not needed. And the only way to get rid of it is by disabling JavaScript, by using Google Chrome (it seems the bar doesn't appear in Chrome), or by changing the preferred language to English in the system settings or the browser settings. -- Michel Fortin michel.fortin michelf.com http://michelf.com/
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent Stewart Gordon <smjg_1998 yahoo.com> writes:
On 02/09/2010 08:03, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

Nice design on the whole. A few issues: 1. Too much space above and below code and BNF blocks. 2. In a few places, the bullet points look a little too spaced out. 3. No consistency in whether indentation in BNF is with a tab character, four spaces or eight spaces. 4. Tab characters in pre blocks ought to be avoided, as they aren't guaranteed to display the same for everybody, and it also encourages bad practice if you use half-tabs like that. 5. It would be nice if you ran it through a validator. http://validator.w3.org/ or if you want to check the whole site http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/ Stewart.
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent ZY.Zhou <zy.zhou noreply.org> writes:
remove google translate, it sucks
Sep 02 2010
prev sibling next sibling parent "Robert Jacques" <sandford jhu.edu> writes:
On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:03:33 -0400, Andrei Alexandrescu  
<SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> wrote:

 Time to zero in on the overall design and start working on the content.  
 Please give the design one more round of comments.

 Thanks,

 Andrei

Hi Andrei, The site is still extremely buggy (i.e. unusable) on Opera. Same problems as before.
Sep 06 2010
prev sibling parent Gour <gour atmarama.net> writes:
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Andrei> Looks good. May I use it on d-programming-language.org? How is it that I didn't know before about that site? Sincerely, Gour --=20 Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: CDBF17CA ----------------------------------------------------------------
Dec 31 2010