• Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> Nov 12 2010
• "Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> Nov 12 2010
• so <so so.do> Nov 12 2010
• Petr <janda.petr gmail.com> Nov 12 2010
• jfd <jfd nospam.com> Nov 12 2010

Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org> writes:

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/e49ta/go_one_year_ago_today/

Andrei

"Nick Sabalausky" <a a.a> writes:

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 Andrei


Go is the Paris Hilton of programming languages. They keep getting buzz and 
attention not because of having ever demonstrated real merit, which they 
haven't, but because of being associated with recognizable names. Famous 
just simply for being famous. Pretty much the whole world has realized how 
useless they are, but they keep getting attention anyway. 

so <so so.do> writes:

 Go is the Paris Hilton of programming languages. They keep getting buzz  
 and
 attention not because of having ever demonstrated real merit, which they
 haven't, but because of being associated with recognizable names. Famous
 just simply for being famous. Pretty much the whole world has realized  
 how
 useless they are, but they keep getting attention anyway.


Sadly it is true, programmers no better, popularity means a lot.
Which brings also many positive things like tools, support, growth...
I remember another language backed up with again a big company, they'll  
eventually get to that level and that is it.
Though i hope they come up with something good at the end, which is by the  
look of the start and a few princibles, unlikely.

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Petr <janda.petr gmail.com> writes:

I haven't done any real Go programming, hell I haven't done any real D
programming
either, although I own the D programming language book, but from what I've seen
and read about Go, the language just doesn't cut it for any serious application
development where flexibility and power (both to the programmer and raw speed)
is
needed. We all know D evolved from C++, and I hope it stays true to those good
principles set out by C++, and leave the bad(template's that are often hard to
understand, lack of standard threading/locking library, and few others) ones and
provide BETTER substitute for them(which D does from what i've found so far).
Personally I don't care for garbage collection, although I think D should
provide
one because a GC is useful in many situations, but at the same time it should
retain the full capabilities of manual memory management that C and C++ offer.

D should not obstruct a programmer, it should enhance him/her.

Petr

PS Andrei: if you read this, then let me say BIG thanks for your participation
in
D. I'm slowly going through your Modern C++ through the past 6 months (yes im
busy, but it's also heavy reading at times, but definately great), you made me a
convert to functors and policy based class design.

jfd <jfd nospam.com> writes:

== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (SeeWebsiteForEmail erdani.org)'s article
 eaturbrainz
 Back in the day I was writing a kernel, and having to
 rewrite queues for every single type of thing I wanted
 to queue, or use type-casts to enforce strong typing
 of queue elements at runtime, was annoying as fuck.


 Andrei


eaturbrainz's problem is what convinced me of the true value of generics.  I
had a
similar experience: In C, I had to rewrite a hashtable for every data type, so I
ended up with workarounds using struct with pointers to "worker functions",
like a
kind of poor man's "interface".  Generics is far more elegant.

I may be oversimplifying it, but it seems that the "interface" approach that I
consider to be a "workaround" is what Go is proposing to us.

I'm glad that D has true generics, and a more robust one at that.  It "fixes" a
lot of "issues" of C++ templates, and is more readable, less fragile, etc.,
etc...
than C++.  I applaud Walter for that. :)

Thank you for the post!